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Author	Topic: Medal of Honor: Rising Sun

MWRuger Standard Userer	EA Games has posted several tracks from Christopher Lennertz's score for Medal of Honor:Rising Sun. These are available for download. They are quite nice and even if they aren't your cup of tea, they’re free! Here’s a link where they talk about the score: http://www.eagames.com/official/moh/risingsun/us/immersive.jsp?prodID=Music%20of%20Rising%20Sun Here’s a link to get the tracks: http://www.eagames.com/official/moh/risingsun/us/editorial.jsp?edID=music What do you think?
posted 01-28-2004 11:31 AM PT (US)

Justin Standard Userer	Music is actually very good and sticks to the feel of the other scores. I was impressed. I still say Frontline is my favorite, but I do like what the composer did for Rising Sun.
posted 01-28-2004 12:17 PM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	Someone was kind enough to send me a composer promo of the score. While I haven't had the chance to give it a complete listen, I've been impressed with it so far. If there is a legit release I would recommend getting it, especially if you like Giacchino's work for the Medal Of Honor series.
posted 01-28-2004 12:33 PM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	Places Christopher Lennertz to the very front of the line as far as I'm concerned in regards to the new Band of Brothers inspired series taking place in the Pacific Theatre during WWII. He's proven he can work with big Western orchestras and also knows how to score for Asian instruments (and combine the two effectively!!). Plus he worked with Michael Kamen previously and knows the producers. Plus he's just an all around great person!!! GIVE HIM THE JOB!!! Joe
posted 01-28-2004 02:49 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	I liked it too and I hope he at least gets considered for a job doing Band of Brothers (Pacific Theater). [Message edited by MWRuger on 01-29-2004]
posted 01-28-2004 10:02 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	I heard this a while a go. Wasn't impress because it's like another John William rip off to me.
posted 01-28-2004 11:25 PM PT (US)

Justin Standard Userer	Ummm, Hadrian...that's kinda the tradition with the Medal of Honor games. Do a little research and you will see why it favors William's music.
posted 01-29-2004 08:48 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Justin: Ummm, Hadrian...that's kinda the tradition with the Medal of Honor games. Do a little research and you will see why it favors William's music. I know why, but that isn't the point. I just don't really care to hear another composer write like John Williams. And I wouldn't care very much to hear Lennertz write for the new Band of Brothers series. The cool thing with Michael Kamen's score for the original one was that it sounded like Michael Kamen with some Saving Private Ryan-esque material. It was matured without being heavy-handed. Having Lennertz write because he was able to sound like JW would just mean that we'll have the sequel score to SPR. SPR score was good, but I don't need SPR2.
posted 01-29-2004 04:28 PM PT (US)

nightwing Standard Userer	Does anyone know if this will be coming to PC soon?
posted 01-29-2004 09:09 PM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	Hadrian: Don't take this the wrong way, but that was one of the most ignorant things I've heard said on this board. Christopher Lennertz would NOT be getting this job just because he sounds like Michael Kamen (just like he didn't get Rising Sun because the other scores sounded like John Williams...which was really Michael Giachinno sounding like John Williams). A good composer....one that works anyway (see John Barry...a master...but he doesn't work in film much any more...also see Jarre and E. Bernstein) for Hollywood, gives a producer (or director) what they want to hear. Plain and simple. Chris Lennertz should be hired for the new Band of Brothers because he has his own, distinct voice, because he can write for a variety of different genres, because he knows the material (and has experience writing for that material) and a host of other reasons. Sounding like someone else is NOT a reason...and it's kinda offensive to read something so blatantly wrong. I doubt he'd write a rip off of Saving Private Ryan anyway...and since Michael Kamen hadn't scored any WWII Pacific Theatre epics, I doubt he'll sound anything at all like Michael Kamen. P.S. Saving Private Ryan wasn't even a Pacific Theatre War Film. Jeez...... [Message edited by JoeInSanDiego on 01-30-2004]
posted 01-30-2004 12:23 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	Joe, I don't think that there is any way that Hadrian can take that in other way than the way it was meant. I agree with your overall assessment however so I really can’t say much other than that everybody has an opinion even if it is not an informed one. To me, MOH:PT, owes far more to the previous entries in the series than a mere aping of John Williams or Michael Kamen. Consider that the first came in the series was released in 1999, two years before SPR, and it seems to me that no one can really claim a creator’s privilege on WWII Perhaps what Hadrian meant to say that he is tired of people writing good music like John Williams and wants this heinous practice of competence stopped at once. If that is the case, then he is in luck. There are many composers who are eschewing competence and creating crap.
posted 01-30-2004 01:59 PM PT (US)

Squiddybop Standard Userer	Uh...are you saying that Saving Private Ryan was a 2001 movie? Cause last I knew it came out in 1998, a whole year before the first Medal of Honor game.
posted 01-30-2004 02:56 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	You're right. I read the wrong thing on IMDB. Sorry about that! Still, considering the lead time on video game development there must have been some overlap in development.
posted 01-30-2004 03:55 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	To me, the only reason why Lennertz has any presence on this board was because of MOH and we all know why MOH has a good standing here. Lennertz may write good scores to game, but no one ever made light of that and point out any other score that he done that was good. And I didn't say that Lennertz would get the job because he sounds like Kamen. I did think/say that he might get the job because he can sound like Williams. It's not a bad thing to be able to emulate Williams (hah), it's just that I don't care for that. He may be "verastile" and is able to get a high profile game like MOH but that means zilch when all I can hear is someone doing a pale imitation of John Williams. And it's not just Rising Sun, it's the entire MOH series. YOu want to talk about voice? Goldsmith has his sound, so does Williams, Goldenthal, Elfman, JNH, Craig Armstrong, Poledouris, and yes Hans Zimmer. My point is that if all Lennertz can be know for are scoring games where he can sounds like other composer, I don't care for him or his music. A good composer can work and gives the producers what he wants yet able to carve out a distinct stamp on that. I listen to the any MOH hubub and I'm supposed to be amazed because ooooh, they sound like John Williams. Bah. Until he can bring his own voice, which would be developed through many, many project, to the projects that he has his name on, I'll say pass. Michael Giachinno used to do Game where he just suppose to sound like Williams too, but then he got Alias, which is something interesting within the spy genre. If you should know, I would prefer someone like Basil Poledouris to score the next BOB series.
posted 01-30-2004 04:38 PM PT (US)

MWRuger Standard Userer	Well, I certainly wouldn't turn down a Poledouris score! I must say Hadrian that you handled my snarky comments with style and grace. Well done indeed! I don't agree with you about Lennertz, but to each his own.
posted 01-30-2004 08:22 PM PT (US)

Erik Woods Standard Userer	HadrianD, Just curious... what is the John Williams sound? Because to me, Williams sounds like Waxman, Korngold, Newman, Herrmann, Rozsa, Victor Young, etc. They all wrote thematic scores with colourful orchestrations just like Williams. I'm also wondering if you use the same criticism with Broughton, Folk, some Holdridge, as you do with Giacchino's or Lennertz's music because they too write in a very similar style. As for Giacchino and Lennertz... well, I'm glad to see (and hear) them using the same style as those great composers. -Erik- [Message edited by Erik Woods on 01-30-2004]
posted 01-30-2004 09:25 PM PT (US)

La La Land Records Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by HadrianD: To me, the only reason why Lennertz has any presence on this board was because of MOH and we all know why MOH has a good standing here. Lennertz may write good scores to game, but no one ever made light of that and point out any other score that he done that was good. And I didn't say that Lennertz would get the job because he sounds like Kamen. I did think/say that he might get the job because he can sound like Williams. It's not a bad thing to be able to emulate Williams (hah), it's just that I don't care for that. He may be "verastile" and is able to get a high profile game like MOH but that means zilch when all I can hear is someone doing a pale imitation of John Williams. And it's not just Rising Sun, it's the entire MOH series. YOu want to talk about voice? Goldsmith has his sound, so does Williams, Goldenthal, Elfman, JNH, Craig Armstrong, Poledouris, and yes Hans Zimmer. My point is that if all Lennertz can be know for are scoring games where he can sounds like other composer, I don't care for him or his music. A good composer can work and gives the producers what he wants yet able to carve out a distinct stamp on that. I listen to the any MOH hubub and I'm supposed to be amazed because ooooh, they sound like John Williams. Bah. Until he can bring his own voice, which would be developed through many, many project, to the projects that he has his name on, I'll say pass. Michael Giachinno used to do Game where he just suppose to sound like Williams too, but then he got Alias, which is something interesting within the spy genre. If you should know, I would prefer someone like Basil Poledouris to score the next BOB series. <HR size=1></blockquote> I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you regarding Mr Lennertz work. His score to Saint Sinner was lush and evocative. Have you ever heard it? Have you ever heard the music he composed for the Hallmark produced Documentary America? It's tear inducing beautiful. I think your words are a bit too harsh reagrding someone who is just starting out and has already proven to me and many others on this board as a talent to watch. He has only scored one game, so I wouldn't lock him into the "game composer" niche just yet. And, as matter of fact I find his MOH score more reminicent of Goldsmith than Williams ala Tora Tora Tora and the Challenge. Yes his themes are lush and sweeping like Williams, but there is a certain edginess that they evoke. Hell, I would even say some of the tracks sound more Elfmanesque than Williams. I think you're being way too judgemental on the man. He's young, he's just starting out and, given the opportunity, I think he can pull one hell of an original sound out of his baton and blow away doubting thomas' like yourself. MV Gerhard [Message edited by La La Land Records on 01-30-2004]
posted 01-30-2004 11:51 PM PT (US)

La La Land Records Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by nightwing: Does anyone know if this will be coming to PC soon? I believe this June -- around D-day. . .No joke. MV Gerhard
posted 01-30-2004 11:55 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by La La Land Records: I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you regarding Mr Lennertz work. His score to Saint Sinner was lush and evocative. Have you ever heard it? Have you ever heard the music he composed for the Hallmark produced Documentary America? It's tear inducing beautiful. I think your words are a bit too harsh reagrding someone who is just starting out and has already proven to me and many others on this board as a talent to watch. He has only scored one game, so I wouldn't lock him into the "game composer" niche just yet. And, as matter of fact I find his MOH score more reminicent of Goldsmith than Williams ala Tora Tora Tora and the Challenge. Yes his themes are lush and sweeping like Williams, but there is a certain edginess that they evoke. Hell, I would even say some of the tracks sound more Elfmanesque than Williams. I think you're being way too judgemental on the man. He's young, he's just starting out and, given the opportunity, I think he can pull one hell of an original sound out of his baton and blow away doubting thomas' like yourself. MV Gerhard [Message edited by La La Land Records on 01-30-2004] Mmm, I do remember hearing some stuff with Saint Sinners, but I don't remember it being that significant. I don't doubt that he has talent. I believe that to make it this far means that he obviously has talent. The issue with voice and Lennertz exist for me because I think he has a way to go, with regard to developing his voice, before tackling a big project such as BOB. I think there composers who is way more qualified to score BOB, in term of abling to apply his own voice and improve on the subject rather than just imbueing the subject with a greater musical sensibility and maturity, like Michael Kamen has done. Until then, I'd say, pick someone else. Yet I wouldn't mind being wrong and we end up getting a good score.
posted 01-31-2004 12:27 AM PT (US)

lars b Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by La La Land Records: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by nightwing: [b]Does anyone know if this will be coming to PC soon?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I believe this June -- around D-day. . .No joke. MV Gerhard[/B] Are La La Land Records gonna release more game-score in the future ? And is this one gonna be available ? Cheers, Lars.
posted 01-31-2004 07:09 AM PT (US)

pietari Standard Userer	To me, Lennertz` score sounds more like a combination of James Newton Howard and David Arnold. It has the definite Williams influences possibly required by the MOH-series, but it is still refreshingly new for the series. BTW, Saint Sinner is great.
posted 01-31-2004 07:30 AM PT (US)

La La Land Records Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE> Are La La Land Records gonna release more game-score in the future ? And is this one gonna be available ? Cheers, Lars.[/B]<HR size=1></blockquote> Yes, LLL will be releasing more game scores in the future. MOH is a possibility, but the high re-use fees might make it difficult for an album to come out. MV Gerhard [Message edited by La La Land Records on 01-31-2004]
posted 01-31-2004 10:35 AM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	It is my understanding that the latest installment of Medal Of Honor: Pacific Theater, featuring music composed by Christopher Lennertz has quietly slipped out into the marketplace. Apparently, the only way to get this music is to buy the new Medal Of Honor: Allied Assault War Chest, which features the Pacific Assault soundtrack as a bonus disc. Has anyone heard this music yet? I already own all the Allied Assault games so I don't think I'm going to be shelling out another $40 for this bonus disc.
posted 03-08-2004 02:52 PM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	BMikeJ: Email me privately and let's talk...Lennertz' score is fantastic!! Would be happy to discuss it's merits with you. Joe
posted 03-09-2004 10:41 AM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	I was just informed that Chris has WON the award for best score to Medal of Honor - Rising Sun! WAY TO GO CHRIS!! Joe
posted 03-09-2004 02:12 PM PT (US)

Dr Know Standard Userer	Important note: Contrary to the packaging, and the posts here, the bonus cd included in the Medal of Honor War Chest does not feature score from Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault. All of the tracks, which are mp3s encoded at 160 kbps, are from Medal of Honor Rising Sun. So if you have the Rising Sun promo, don't bother with this. I wish I had known that. I'll be selling my "Treasure Chest" on ebay
posted 03-09-2004 02:52 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	Dr. Know, just to make sure there is no confusion here, we're both talking about the new War Chest that came out last week, right? It contains all 3 Allied Assault games, Allied Assault, Spearhead and Breakout, right? And not to be confused with a previous Allied Assault box that came with a bonus disc that had the new music from Allied Assault on it.
posted 03-09-2004 04:25 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	As I am given to bitterly note to people, that Allied Assault box set did NOT feature a legitimate soundtrack album--what it did feature was a CD-Rom (Not playable in CD players) with encoded tracks featuring the Allied Assault main title, and the remaining music compiled from the previous two MOH games. There was no real game soundtrack with that box, though the set advertised one. (And since most stores don't return opened video games, I found this out the expensive way.) [Message edited by Lancelot on 03-09-2004]
posted 03-09-2004 05:19 PM PT (US)

Dr Know Standard Userer	Yes, indeed -- we are talking about the new set, called "Medal of Honor, Allied Assault War Chest". I rushed out and bought it, hoping that it would in fact have the score from MOH Pacific Assault. What a disappointment to find the Rising Sun tracks instead. I have half a mind to complain to EA Games for misleading packaging, but I imagine it wouldn't do any good. I don't even own a PC!
posted 03-09-2004 05:21 PM PT (US)

BobaMike Standard Userer	the Medal of Honor website has the score available to download for those of you who don't have the promo. And actually...some of the tracks are different than the promo ones!
posted 03-09-2004 06:29 PM PT (US)

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