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    Topic:   I wonder what scores composers listen to...

     justin boggan
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    What scores do you think composers listen to?

    Does someone like Goldsmith pop in a J.N.H.?

    Does Horner listen to himself?

    I wonder.

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    posted 01-21-2004 05:49 PM PT (US)     

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    I would think composers would try to listen to as little of other composers work as possible. Then they can't be accused of ripping off another. I wrote a few screenplays on certain true story subjects, and I stayed away from reading or seeing projects on the same subject that were written by others. I wanted to have an original approach and not have other's ideas get into my head. If I was a composer I'd do the same. But I'm sure they all inspire each other in many ways. I mean Jerry Goldsmith must know how STAR WARS goes. He does infact respect Maestro Williams very much and they are friends. Anyway Just my thoughts. piero2

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    posted 01-21-2004 06:27 PM PT (US)     

     Jeff78
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    No Justin, Horner listens to his own music to edit his next score together.

    Jeff

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    posted 01-21-2004 06:29 PM PT (US)     

     rkeaveney
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    Here's an ever better question:

    If a composer's score is bootlegged, do they call Justin so they can get a copy of it to listen to?

    Ryan

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    posted 01-21-2004 06:48 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    Here's an ever better question:

    If a composer's score is bootlegged, do they call Justin so they can get a copy of it to listen to?

    Ryan


    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO them fightin words...

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    posted 01-21-2004 06:55 PM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Jeff78:
    No Justin, Horner listens to his own music to edit his next score together.
    Jeff

    I'm sure he also has the complete collection of Prokofiev sheet music.


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    posted 01-21-2004 06:56 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    OK, now seriously guys.

    The only person I've really heard mention other people's work is Hans Zimmer. As far as I can remember he's said the following: James Horner's Tatanic was serviceable, but nothing outstanding (that tends to be my opinion, as well—there's nothing really special about that score); Randy Newman's Air Force One (rejected score) was good, but the studio caught the twinkle in his eye in the music and HZ thinks that's why it was rejected (apparently Randy didn't take that film seriously enough to give it some really serious action—which is a good thing since the film overwhelmingly dumb); HZ thinks Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is just OK and not one of Tan Dun's best work (ie. not Oscar worthy), but he happens to like the score enough to travel along the same lines in The Last Samurai (very weird - listen to "A Way of Life")... And that's about all that I can remember him commenting on other people's scores; oh yeah, Harry Gregson-Williams thinks that Jerry Goldsmith hasn't done a good score since Basic Instinct and anything before that is unremarkable (HAHAHA! I wouldn't talk Harry G: You ain't THAT good!) and has never heard Black Rain (HZ) and thinks the music from The Thin Red Line is brilliant (he's right about that one, though).

    My opinion: Of course, they listen to each others scores—just think of that awesome photo from Vanity Fair with all of Hollywood's major composers sitting around talking away; they know each other's work.

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    posted 01-21-2004 08:27 PM PT (US)     

     James
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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    just think of that awesome photo from Vanity Fair with all of Hollywood's major composers sitting around talking away; they know each other's work.

    That was actually several different photos that Vanity Fair edited together.

    Two thoughts come to my mind: I recall an interview with John Debney in which he was asked what was in his CD player at the moment, and he answered "Danny Elfman's Men in Black score."

    The other is from an interview with Richard Band in which he said he didn't listen to film scores because spending a long, hard day working on one doesn't really give him the urge to go and listen to more. I can't remember the exact analogy he used, but it was something along the lines of being like a carpenter going home after a 10-hour day and watching a TV show on woodworking. (I'd check the interview to verify this, but it came from Music from the Movies and they haven't yet gotten it back up on their web site since they revamped the place.)

    Kirk
    NP - The Fly 2 (Christopher Young)

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    posted 01-21-2004 08:39 PM PT (US)     

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    ryan, I got a few choice words for you, but instead I shall say that is not an invalid point made. I can't think of at least one composer who asked for a bootleg so he could have a copy of his work.
    If for some off the wall, strange, weird reason some composer didn't have access to his work and it was on a bootleg, yes, he can e-mail me. I'd be much ablidged you dickhead.

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    posted 01-22-2004 12:32 PM PT (US)     

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    In a Don Davis interview...

    -Do you listen to soundtrack albums to see what other people are up to?

    DON: Yes I do, as much as I can. I try to listen to concert music a little more, because if film composers just listen to other film composers, it gets a little bit incestuous, and I like to widen the references just a little bit more than that. But I have heard some pretty astounding things. Elliot Goldenthal wrote a score to a movie called Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within that's just tremendous. Moulin Rouge has a great soundtrack, talk about theatrical cliches and Greek tragedy and musical theatre and Gilbert and Sullivan and Shakespeare; it was like this big goulash of all kinds of cultural references. I thought it was just spectacular. And, of course, John Williams always comes up with something brilliant, like the music for AI Artificial Intelligence - that's John Williams going into territory I never expected him to go in - minimalist references which I thought were just superb. I'm talking about the scene in particular where the helicopter is going into the submerged New York City. He did some kind of a John Adams/Steve Reich sort of a reference there, which I had never heard him do before. Even now he seems to be really growing as a composer, just when we thought there was no more growth to be had.

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    posted 01-22-2004 12:39 PM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    I got something sort of on topic - Danny Elman said he listens to "Gypsy music" all the time. Scary

    And in an AOL interview, Goldsmith said he listens to "rap music" I hope he was joking. I couldn't tell.

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    posted 01-22-2004 01:02 PM PT (US)     

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    Every composer I've talked to is VERY well aware of the Masters...all having even been taught by them (each of their own generation, of course). Chris Young is often spoken of in high regard, as is Goldsmith and Williams, of course. I am ALWAYS amazed (and I shouldn't be) at the amazing regard and respect todays' young composers have for those who have worked in the industry for over 20 years. Also, the respect they have for one another, even in the cutthroat business of filmmaking!

    However, I've never heard mention that a composer actually listens to other composers work presently.Mostly, it's a nostalgic look back on the scores that they grew up with and inspired them to follow their dreams. Occassionally, I suupose, composers will listen to comtemporary artists and their works, but I can't believe any of them have the desire to sound like what they are listening to...they are all probably striving to have their own individual and unique voices heard.

    For me, as I write, I tend to be influenced to what I have recently read or watched or listend to, even. The trick is to make your own voice heard and to set yourself apart from others.

    Anyone can mimic...very VERY few can create something unique. I applaud all of filmdom's creative types when they do so. And even when they don't...because I bet most of them are at least trying!

    Joe

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    posted 01-22-2004 01:07 PM PT (US)     

     Dylan
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    From an interview...

    Danny Elfman's three favorite scores:

    Fellini's Casanova (Nino Rota)
    Once Upon a Time in America (Ennio Morricone)
    The Godfather (Nino Rota)

    And yes, he loves gypsy music but also circus music as well.

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    posted 01-22-2004 03:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Hey Justin, what's wrong with rap music? I really hope Goldsmith was serious about that, since it's such a polar opposite of what he does (...actually, Wu Tang Clan sampled his score for The Swarm on one of their tracks [and that's really cool]; maybe it was around the time Goldsmith did the interview).

    I find it refreshing that a composer would listen to something so different from their own stuff, like Hans Zimmer listening to punk bands.

    Zimmer's favourite score: Once Upon A Time in the West (Ennion Morriconne)

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    posted 01-22-2004 05:16 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by justin boggan:
    ryan, I got a few choice words for you, but instead I shall say that is not an invalid point made. I can't think of at least one composer who asked for a bootleg so he could have a copy of his work.
    If for some off the wall, strange, weird reason some composer didn't have access to his work and it was on a bootleg, yes, he can e-mail me. I'd be much ablidged you dickhead.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! That was the best response I have ever read. Kudos Justin! You're learning to become a calm, yet point taken person. Very impressive. Hahaha, man I was waiting to see how you would respond to that and it was classic. Good one.


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    posted 01-22-2004 05:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Another one I just remembered. I once read a very brief interview with Thomas Newman in some AV or entertainment magazine where they asked him what he liked to listen to. I don't remember everything he said, but the three that stick out in my mind are Radiohead, the eels, and Eminem (that last one caught me off guard a little).

    Kirk

    [Message edited by James on 01-22-2004]

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    posted 01-22-2004 08:01 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Justin:
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! That was the best response I have ever read. Kudos Justin! You're learning to become a calm, yet point taken person. Very impressive. Hahaha, man I was waiting to see how you would respond to that and it was classic. Good one.

    Heh, yeah Justin, I agree... Boggan did some kind of a John Adams/Steve Reich sort of a reference there, which I had never heard him do before. Even now he seems to be really growing as a human, just when we thought there was no more growth to be had.

    [Message edited by Jeron on 01-23-2004]

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    posted 01-23-2004 02:53 AM PT (US)     

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! That was the best response I have ever read. Kudos Justin! You're learning to become a calm, yet point taken person. Very impressive. Hahaha, man I was waiting to see how you would respond to that and it was classic. Good one.

    Considering it was littered with spelling errors and Boggan's usual caveman level vernacular, I'd say you haven't read many quality reponses.

    Ryan

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    posted 01-23-2004 05:49 AM PT (US)     

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    And you know...Keavney...some people just don't get it! It ain't so much the words typed out as the spirit in which they were typed. Kudos to JB for a solid response. We're all behind you!

    Joe

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    posted 01-23-2004 08:21 AM PT (US)     

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    And you know...Keavney...some people just don't get it! It ain't so much the words typed out as the spirit in which they were typed. Kudos to JB for a solid response. We're all behind you!

    Actually I think it's only physically possible for you all to be behind Justin one at a time.

    I'll remember that "spirit" counts - and not necessarily proper spelling, coherence and intelligence - the next time I sit down to write something.

    Ryan


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    posted 01-23-2004 09:05 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    I'll remember that "spirit" counts - and not necessarily proper spelling, coherence and intelligence - the next time I sit down to write something.

    Ryan


    oh man... again with equating intelligence and linguistic skills? We all got past that in the first weeks of the Bush presidency. Are you still living three years behind everyone else?

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    posted 01-23-2004 09:22 AM PT (US)     

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    If you saw the PBS special of the inauguration of Walt Disney Concert Hall, you might catched a glimpse of Hans Zimmer applauding at the end of The Rite of Spring. I guess he was doing "research" for his next score :P

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    posted 01-23-2004 09:24 AM PT (US)     

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    What's all this Justin vs. Ryan nonsense? You guys take these things too seriously. Lighten up. And what in the world were you talking about Jeron? I don't understand your reference to Davis's response in relation to Justin at all.

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    posted 01-23-2004 09:43 AM PT (US)     

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    I can't believe everyone got behind me on that. :-)

    You know ryan, for someone who talks about errors, you sure forgot that it's supposed to be two " - " dashes.
    Like this: --
    Using one is a nasty habbit I picked up from an old book.

    So, al these composer like to listen to old scores, but in return they don't crank out anything nearly that level of quality?

    Yes, rap music is horrible. I am with Bill O'Reilly all the way. ;-)

    If you do a google search for the AOL interview with Goldsmith, you can probably find it. I think he mentioned likeing some scores.

    ryan, are you still talking?

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    posted 01-23-2004 11:27 AM PT (US)     

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    I was speaking to Christopher Young and his knowledge of Jerry Goldsmith's music was totally encyclopaedic - he was quoting label numbers for some of the old vinyl albums (and said how much better he thought the original Planet of the Apes LP was than the expanded CD - he thought having a restriction on length caused by LPs not having too high a capacity really inspired some composers to make meaningful albums rather than the current practice of just shoving as much as possible on there in film order, which he thought often did the music a real disservice - which I agree with entirely!)

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    posted 01-23-2004 02:01 PM PT (US)     

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    Behind you here too, Justin...and I think this is a thought provoking question (as "twisted" as this thread has gotten!).

    I am always interested to know what kind of music other people listen to, especially the composers I admire. Do they listen to other filmscore music? Why not? If this is the music they themselves love to create, why wouldn't they want to listen to it as well? And as far as other types of music, isn't the influence from other genres heard in the filmscores we listen to? And vice-versa? Point in case: Right now I am listening to Metallica's "S & M" with Kamen at the healm. Man, talk about the best of two worlds!!

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    posted 01-24-2004 08:17 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by CAT:

    Point in case: Right now I am listening to Metallica's "S & M" with Kamen at the healm. Man, talk about the best of two worlds!!

    You should also listen to it without Metallica. Some of Kamen's best work is hidden underneath it there.

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    posted 01-24-2004 06:04 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
    If you saw the PBS special of the inauguration of Walt Disney Concert Hall, you might catched a glimpse of Hans Zimmer applauding at the end of The Rite of Spring. I guess he was doing "research" for his next score :P

    pretty much everyone did "research" on Strasvinky.

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    posted 01-24-2004 06:06 PM PT (US)     

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    But it's now Zimmer's turn. I guess he didn't want to buy the CD

    [Message edited by Hector J. Guzman on 01-24-2004]

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    posted 01-24-2004 06:26 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
    But it's now Zimmer's turn. I guess he didn't want to ut the CD

    Stravinsky is best heard live.

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    posted 01-24-2004 10:19 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm yet to experience that.

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    posted 01-24-2004 10:51 PM PT (US)     
     

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