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Vladimir Standard Userer	Just saw the movie tonight with my girlfriend awesome movie!!! As for the music even better. I haven't heard Zimmer in this form in years or probibly since Gladiator. I wish he would just stick to composing alone as he did with the Last Samurai. I am tired of all these MV guys ruining his work. Don't get me wrong i am a fan of MV but sometimes they go over board with all there collaborations and such. I picked up the cd last week and the music is great keep up the good work Hans!! Matt
posted 12-28-2003 10:21 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	Glad you enjoyed it.
posted 12-28-2003 10:50 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	Matt, I hate to rain on your parade but there are credits for additional arrangements and programming by Geoff Zanelli, Blake Neely and Trevor Morris in the booklet. I would say Hans had a little help. A pity that composers like John Scott or Frederic Talgorn aren't hired for a project like The Last Samurai.
posted 12-29-2003 01:56 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	It's not news, but read between the line. Additional arrangements doesn't mean very much when you're trying talking about additional music. In the movie, you can hear a rearrangement of a pearl harbor action cue that doesn't appear on the CD. Apples and oranges. Programming is what it means, synth programming. So unless there's listing for additional music, I'll assume that the CD has music by Hans, with some arrangements by the three that didn't make the album No offense to John Scott or Talgorn, but I don't have pity for them
posted 12-29-2003 02:38 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	Well... Pearl harbor has Additional arrangements And some cues are composed by "this arrangers".With themes by zimmer,of course,but like diferent pieces of music(read the interview here http://www.hanszimmer-archiv.de/) Mi2 apparently in Cd is all by zimmmer,and very music are by badelt(bare island) and Wesson(bio techno) Well... see u
posted 12-29-2003 09:15 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	http://www.hanszimmer-archiv.de/klaus1.htm translator: http://babel.altavista.com/ (german to english ahaha)
posted 12-29-2003 09:22 AM PT (US)

Justin Standard Userer	Regarding the additional music by... There have been some cues in movies (Armageddon, Pearl Harbor) that were composed by Steve Jablonsky that were some of the best! He was only featured as additional music by on the CD's. They do a lot more than you think. Not to say the original composer is getting help with more than he should, but the other composers do contribute quite well and they do an awesome job!
posted 12-29-2003 09:28 AM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	Over at Geoff Zanelli's website (www.geoffzanelli.com), there is mention of him writing additional music for The Last Samurai.
posted 12-29-2003 10:18 AM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	It's really gotta suck when you can't even congratulate a composer because you don't know if he actually wrote the music you like in a certain film he's credited as scoring. Makes me laugh and cry...for the same exact reason. Joe P.S. What a NASTY run-on sentence that was!!
posted 12-29-2003 11:07 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	Yes...I want to know who wrote and arranged what. I want the credit like Peacemaker(that We know that greenaway wrote track 2)or tears of the sun credits).In this way we can aplausse the exact composer of every piece. Read please the inteview that I post...It's very sorprising. Seeu
posted 12-29-2003 11:19 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BMikeJ: Over at Geoff Zanelli's website (www.geoffzanelli.com), there is mention of him writing additional music for The Last Samurai. There's also about 30-40 minute of music that didn't make the CD.
posted 12-29-2003 11:23 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by zimmerito: Yes...I want to know who wrote and arranged what. I want the credit like Peacemaker(that We know that greenaway wrote track 2)or tears of the sun credits).In this way we can aplausse the exact composer of every piece. Read please the inteview that I post...It's very sorprising. Seeu Klaus was helping Gavin out at the time too, because he didn't know alot about Cubase.
posted 12-29-2003 11:26 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	HadrianD....You are in every Media venture post,and you talk If You meet the composers. Are you a fan?or what? Seriously....If I can ask..please.. thanks
posted 12-29-2003 11:31 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	[ooops posted twice] [Message edited by sean on 12-29-2003]
posted 12-29-2003 11:38 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Track 2, "Devoe's Revenge", was written by Hans Zimmer and re-worked to fit the picture by Gavin Greenaway, who made "ends meet" with that piece, according to Hans�so I'd say that track is sorta like a remix. Hans was heavily involved with The Peacemaker, so I'd say most everything on that score is his. The interesting thing about the official CD is that it contains almost all of the heavily orchetral material, while the full recording sessions (2 discs�a must have for any Zimmer fan) have tons of cues that are heavier with synth than orchestra; I'd say the official CD is done this way because he had aldready done Crimson Tide, which is heavy synth and orchestra lite, so Peacemaker would be heavy orchestra and cool synth (since I don't think it's lite). The Peacemaker is supposed to be everything he couldn't do with Crimson Tide�and the Tide-like march was something done at Steven Spielberg's request (apparently Crimson Tide is his favourite score, and Peacemaker was the first film from Dreamworks).
posted 12-29-2003 11:40 AM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	Yes Sean...I know.I have the 2 cd's! And I know that spielberg likes crimson tide. (And peacemaker movie I think that is very Spielberg...Story board at least). I like much Peacemaker than crimson tide.The orchestra(real) cues,and synth cues. IS on of the best zimmer's works.The Ethnic vocal is amazing! 2 cd's MUST BE!
posted 12-29-2003 12:17 PM PT (US)

Hasta Standard Userer	I think I'm one of the only ones to think this is pretty and inspired Zimmer at best, and pretty atrocious at worst. Bottom line, it's OK, but give me a break. I've said it before, and I'll say it again -- this seems like Zimmer has regressed about 15 years or so. The man isn't evolving anymore, sad to say. TTRL forever, or POE, or even Gladiator over this over-rated rubbish.
posted 12-29-2003 12:57 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	Hasta!!! I think the SAME! Of my god...I'm not alone
posted 12-29-2003 01:12 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by BMikeJ: [b]Over at Geoff Zanelli's website (www.geoffzanelli.com), there is mention of him writing additional music for The Last Samurai.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> There's also about 30-40 minute of music that didn't make the CD. [/B] And your point is... what. In my initial post, I wrote that Hans probably had a little help. And you thought you would "correct" me somehow in your following post. Well, guess what... Hans had help.
posted 12-29-2003 01:41 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	zimmerito, don't listen to Hasta's nonsense: He's like the guy who loves Zimmer music, but think it's really cool to make silly remarks about anything after The Thin Red Line, or, maybe now, Gladiator. I wouldn't say Zimmer has "evolved" or anything like that. People just change over time, and like all composers, Hans Zimmer is no exception. It's no fun to be a snob about any of this, and besides which, film music is fun, so just "Sit Back and Relax"...
posted 12-29-2003 02:23 PM PT (US)

Justin Standard Userer	My boy Hasta has a point. Though I don't feel Zimmer has lost his talent in the past few years, he has seemed to have lacked in the works he use to produce. Granted I still like most of what he does, he is just not in his prime anymore. My opinion of course. I like the work of his "assistants" more than I like his now days.
posted 12-29-2003 02:36 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Justin: I like the work of his "assistants" more than I like his now days. Maybe Rifkin had a point about some uncredited ghostwriters...
posted 12-29-2003 03:08 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by BMikeJ: And your point is... what. In my initial post, I wrote that Hans probably had a little help. And you thought you would "correct" me somehow in your following post. Well, guess what... Hans had help. I wasn't correcting you, just extending your thought My point was that it's not a secret that he had helps, and since there's more music not being release, it's logical to assume that the additional music that was written by Geoff and Blake and Trevor didn't make the album. And it's also logical to think that most of what Hans wrote, along with some arrangements (not saying assitional music) is on the album.
posted 12-29-2003 09:01 PM PT (US)

zimmerito Non-Standard Userer	HadrianD... Arrengements are... A)Arrange some instruments. b)create themes with zimmer tunes(Pearl harbor is a example) Or both?
posted 12-29-2003 09:22 PM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Actually, zimmerito, it's create tunes with Zimmer themes... or, on the other hand, remixing tracks so that they fit like a glove. NP: DVD Aliens�Special Edition ***/***
posted 12-29-2003 09:32 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by sean: or, on the other hand, remixing tracks so that they fit like a glove. That's my understanding....
posted 12-29-2003 10:03 PM PT (US)

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