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Christmas Eve Announcement!
Date: 12/24/2003
We hope that everyone who reads this managed to find something to enjoy among our many soundtrack releases of 2003. We are already hard at work on many exciting new projects for 2004. Save your Christmas money. You’re going to need it! We wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year. To raise the curtain on just one of the projects we are working on, we are very pleased to announce that we will indeed be releasing Jerry Goldsmith’s unused score from the film Timeline. Though unfortunate post-production events required the film to be rescored, we’re certainly not going to let that stand in our way from releasing Goldsmith’s magnificent music. And it won’t be just any CD. 2004 will bring Jerry Goldsmith’s Timeline as a special edition, deluxe, fully-compatible, hybrid SACD. Playable on all compact disc players, our release will present this orchestral tour-de-force as an audiophile spectacular. This will be a regular release, not a CD Club exclusive. Do we have more surprises in store? Of course we do. Expect the unexpected!

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Looks like the cat's out of the bag

So much for keeping secrets! Happy Chrsitmas y'all!

--Brian

NP: Matrix Cubed

THANK YOU!

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Originally posted by JoeInSanDiego:
Varese can always be counted on to please us soundtrack fans! Another great reason to support this awesome group of film score lovers! Thanks, Robert and everyone else associated with this project! It's nice to know Jerry's magnificent score will get the chance to be heard by the masses...and not just bootleggers and industry people!

THANK YOU!

Joe

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I think the deeper message in this announcement may be that Paramount is getting a clue when it comes to fanboy film scores. (Wishful thinking on my part.)

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This will be a regular release, not a CD Club exclusive.

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Thanks!

Like I said before, Goldsmith leaving Timeline didn't disappoint me as much as when I thought I wouldn't be able to hear the score. Hopefully having this released will end the needless bitterness of a select few angry Goldsmith fans. All I know is that I am one very happy Goldsmith fan.

By the way, to those who have followed my discussions about my underwhelment of Brian Tyler up to this point, I'm receiving his Timeline score tomorrow and am looking forward to hearing it for myself. Everything I've heard from him so far is average to my ears, but I'm hoping this is the one that will show me why he quickly garnered such a strong following.

I wish you all a very happy holiday.

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Originally posted by Beatty:
I'd rather it not be an SACD exclusive, because I will never own an SACD player because the format just is not that much better, if better at all.

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Huh? If SACD is so bad, you can always play the CD layer instead.

PCM 44.1khz/16 bit stereo vs. DSD 5.1 channel sound? I think I know my choice. (But sadly I can't afford a SACD player yet.)

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Originally posted by Varese:
Do we have more surprises in store? Of course we do. Expect the unexpected!

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Originally posted by Jeron:
If not, you can still enjoy the music just as you would without the fancy 5.1 mess.

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And -- yay? -- I pay extra for this dubious layer?

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Don't be a freak! Everyone wins.

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I for one do not welcome our new DRM overlords.

Merry Christmas!!!

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Originally posted by Beatty:
And -- yay? -- I pay extra for this dubious layer?

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Well just think of it as paying for a disc full of great music, something we wouldn't have (commercially) had Varese not done the footwork.

And yeah, don't be a grinch man. Seems like there's so much to be cool and happy about, why be the stickler and pick on stuff that doesn't really matter?

"Better-promoted quad?" There's really not much comparison. SACD doesn't have any "steering signals" or junk like that. The multichannel sound is not delivered on 8 track, LPs, or open reel tape. It's 5 discrete full bandwidth channels of sound plus a limited bandwidth low frequency channel all on a fairly durable plastic disc that doesn't wear out every time you play it. Varese can even throw a high resolution stereo mix on the disc if they feel like it, like they did with the SACD of Nemesis.

If you haven't heard 5.1 channel sound, you should go to a home theater store and try it out. You'll find that six speaker sound blows stereo out of the water.

It's far from a scam. The cost of many SACDs rival their CD counterparts, and hopefully the Timeline disc will be priced a bit lower than the Nemesis SACD was.

Jeff

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Originally posted by Jeff78:
Oh great, well let the fanboys drooling begin. You know you want to, and we know your going to.

Jeff

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Ha, well Jeff... you're certainly not foolin' anyone. You're a fanboy, just like any of the rest of us. I'm not sure how big of a Goldsmith fan you are, but I know a certain Beltrami nut..........

Cheers,
and Merry Christmas.

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Ha, well Jeff... you're certainly not foolin' anyone. You're a fanboy, just like any of the rest of us. I'm not sure how big of a Goldsmith fan you are, but I know a certain Beltrami nut..........

Cheers,
and Merry Christmas.

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True, but I don't get all worked up over his stuff, like if one of his scores gets rejected. When I heard his score was rejected for Texas Rangers, I was alittle disappointed, but I did not bash Rabin when he took over the project. I waited to hear what he had come up with. In fact I think his score ended up better than Beltramis.
But, and I know you know this, that it's different when a Goldsmith score gets rejected. it's like the gates of hell opened up and let out it's minions to terrorize the world.

Merry Christmas.

What I'm more curious about is how this release came about and hopefully Varese will shed some light on this in the linear notes.

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Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
I hardly remember people bashing Brian Tyler, if they ever did. What I remember, though, were complaints about the filmmakers, not the composer.

Merry Christmas.

[Message edited by Hector J. Guzman on 12-25-2003]

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Well I do remember some people bashing Tyler in general when they found out he was replacing Goldsmiths. But I'm not going to go do a search on it like others would, because I really don't care all that much about it. =Þ

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
Well finally we will be able to "officially" judge who wrote the better score, although it will all boil down to ones own opinion.

What I'm more curious about is how this release came about and hopefully Varese will shed some light on this in the linear notes.

Considering two composers were hired and the movie tanked at the box office and all the other problems encountered one has to wonder.

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Originally posted by Jeff78:
Oh great, well let the fanboys drooling begin. You know you want to, and we know your going to.

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Was I disappointed that Goldsmith was replaced on Timeline? Yes, as much as Jeff was disappointed by Beltrami's replacement on another film classic, Texas Rangers. Did I bash Tyler? Not once...in fact, I was enthusiasticly supportive and pleasantly thrilled by the music he provided for the film. NOT ALL GOLDSMITH SUPPORTERS ARE RABID LUNATICS THAT HATE EVERYONE ELSE!!! General statements show just how ignorant some people can be. If you're gonna bash someone...be specific on who you are bashing, please.

And for the record, I am JAZZED to be able to get the Goldsmith score for Timeline...NOT to compare it to Tyler's, but from a filmmaker's point of view, it'll be very interesting to see the direction each composer went with the music and, knowing Donner initially WANTED Goldsmith to go the way he did...only to have that direction shift...will be very interesting as well.

The only difference in our arguments, Joe, is that I previously wasn't excited about Tyler's assignment just as I wasn't excited about any of his work. However, having just heard his Timeline score, I'd say he more than just earned his paycheck. While he still has more scores to compose before he develops his definite identity, the Timeline score is the first by Tyler that I'd personally recommend. It may end without a real sense of resolution, but the album is so well-rounded that it provides a satisfaction I hadn't received from his other scores. There is such enthusiasm in this score, and it does resonate to the listener to some extent. It's not the next best thing, but it's enough to make Godsend the first Tyler score that I look forward to.

I also hope those who are annoyed by Goldsmith fans won't pass off the release as something to please the fanboys, but rather will give it a fair listen themselves, just as I have Tyler's score.

I also hope for world peace. Bye.

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Originally posted by JoeInSanDiego:
I was also completely unaware of any Tyler bashing at first (save for the same people spewing their same crap...nothing unusual). I, for one, am sick of being told that, since I LOVE Goldsmith's music, I MUST, by nature, hate everyone elses. God forbid Goldsmith be replaced...the replacement composer is suddenly the anti-christ and needs to die in flames and a slow, lingering death. Pure rubbish!!!

Was I disappointed that Goldsmith was replaced on Timeline? Yes, as much as Jeff was disappointed by Beltrami's replacement on another film classic, Texas Rangers. Did I bash Tyler? Not once...in fact, I was enthusiasticly supportive and pleasantly thrilled by the music he provided for the film. NOT ALL GOLDSMITH SUPPORTERS ARE RABID LUNATICS THAT HATE EVERYONE ELSE!!! General statements show just how ignorant some people can be. If you're gonna bash someone...be specific on who you are bashing, please.

And for the record, I am JAZZED to be able to get the Goldsmith score for Timeline...NOT to compare it to Tyler's, but from a filmmaker's point of view, it'll be very interesting to see the direction each composer went with the music and, knowing Donner initially WANTED Goldsmith to go the way he did...only to have that direction shift...will be very interesting as well.

SheriffJoe
NP: House of Sand and Fog (Horner)

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I never said you were a fanboy =Þ
There are Goldsmith fans and there are Goldsmith fanboys. I was going to type more of what I think about fanboys, but I don't want to piss anyone off over the holidays. It still boggles my mind that people take stuff personal over the internet.

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Originally posted by Dylan:
Great news. I'm certainly buying it.

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Originally posted by Jeff78:It still boggles my mind that people take stuff personal over the internet.

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We're not exactly sending form letters back and forth on this message board, Jeff. It's still words written personally by real people to real people.

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There are Goldsmith fans and there are Goldsmith fanboys.

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The only difference I can see is that Goldsmith "fanboys" is just a word you use for the certain Goldsmith fans that get on your nerves. And if people can get on your nerves over the internet, then why should it boggle your mind that people take stuff personally over the internet?

We're not exactly sending form letters back and forth on this message board, Jeff. It's still words written personally by real people to real people.

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The only difference I can see is that Goldsmith "fanboys" is just a word you use for the certain Goldsmith fans that get on your nerves. And if people can get on your nerves over the internet, then why should it boggle your mind that people take stuff personally over the internet?

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Al, no where did I say they get on my nervous. I did not say anything like that at all. I find it funny actually. It's fun to watch people get all pissed off over something like this. Just like you, taking it personal and trying to go off on me.. lol.
In fact, one of my good friends is probably the biggest golsmith fanboy on here.
He knows who he is. =Þ

Jeff

Can Varese confirm the rumor that Goldsmith actually wrote 2 scores, and the rumor did not specify if the second score written was just some score, or all score for the new cut.

I will buy this quickly. As a matter of fact, I hate to wait.

I hope they pressed enough copies.....

:-)