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Author	Topic: Timeline: FSM puts Tyler against Goldsmith

franz_conrad Standard Userer	It's probably wrong to foment further furor by posting a link to a review of the two Timeline scores, but I thought people might be as interested as I was by a comparison of the two: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2003/08_Dec---CD_Reviews_Timeline_and_Timeline.asp
posted 12-07-2003 11:12 PM PT (US)

Beatty Standard Userer	Nice try at fomenting without seeming to foment. It's two reviews by different writers. AK Benjamin describes the unused score and Jeff Bond surveys the score that made it into the movie. AKB carps a bit about cinemusic.net's review of Brian Tyler's score in his review, but that doesn't add up to FSM staging a cage-match between them.
posted 12-08-2003 01:28 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	The Goldsmith review doesn't really serve much purpose except to fuel the fire beneath Goldsmith fans and add to the fanboy-frenzy that there's a improper boot out there, (to be obtained at someone's capitalistic whim, most likely.)
posted 12-08-2003 02:30 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	The review just serve to tell me that Jerry's score ain't all that greater than what Tyler had done. AKB's referencing Ryan's review is juvenile. But given that there's no accurate means of measuring the merit of Jerry's score in the movie, the only thing to do is to listen to both score and make a valid comparison. The article didn't do that. Varese should do something to release the score proper, but that probably won't happen.
posted 12-08-2003 02:57 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Beatty: Nice try at fomenting without seeming to foment. It's two reviews by different writers. Now, now, I wasn't trying to foment further fickle fanboy furor Mr Beatty. I just thought people would be interested in reading these side-by-side reviews... but it seems Timeline is a bit of poisoned chalice for all who dare to drink from it... NP Not Timeline - if I ever listen to it, either Tyler's album or 'one of those wretched bootlegs' of Goldsmith's effort, it will be at a time of year when it doesn't have to compete with Shore and Davis.
posted 12-08-2003 03:24 AM PT (US)

Tim_P Standard Userer	Ok, am I the only person out here who is so incredibly tired of this Tyler vs. Goldsmith debate? This is so ridiculous...so much text has been devoted to these TWO mediocre scores lately, and so little, relatively speaking, to one incredible score- Return of the King! I guess the filmscore community doesn't appreciate the gift Shore's given us this year. FSM should be ashamed of themselves for posting such a festering libellous piece of garbage (the Goldsmith Timeline review). Tim
posted 12-08-2003 05:15 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Standard Userer	I've become fatigued by this forced comparison. And even this FSM dual review is quite innocent. It's two reviews of two scores for the same movie. How is that in any way inflamatory? Most self-confessed Goldsmith fans I've heard on the forums, while dissapointed due to Goldsmith's score being replaced, have been mostly open minded regarding Tyler's potential. It seems to me the ones who have instigated any flame debates most are those with some kind of anti-Goldsmith agenda of thier own.
posted 12-08-2003 07:17 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Standard Userer	This has gotten sooooo tiresome. I love Jerry's music but Goldsmith fans need to let it go.
posted 12-08-2003 07:43 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	Why Goldsmith fans? Tylerfreaks make just as much noise. Both need to let go. Tyler isn't the New God of Film Music, and Goldsmith hasn't been much of a deity lately. I agree that Goldsmith nuts should quit it, but Tyler fans also need to calm down in their glorification of average underscore by an average composer.
posted 12-08-2003 07:58 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	quote: This motif has become a crutch Goldsmith uses on shitty action movies, but it's an exciting crutch -- and as he varies the theme's pitches from film to film, it's turned into an amusing if not annoying in-joke for his fans. LOL If Jerry did score the film at least twice then I'm not surprised that he finally gave up and let somebody else deal with it. Though it would be nice if somebody released his work legitimately before a bootlegger does at $40/pop. (Though the chances of this, of course, are still zero percent and simply a Goldsmith fanboy's dream.)
posted 12-08-2003 09:23 AM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	Well I've never heard of AK Benjamin over thre before until today. So I'm sure he does not work for FSM, but is a reader who sent in his own "review". Probably some Goldsmith fanboy who is getting mad about all this tyler vs goldsmith crap that he decided to do a fake review of Timeline to get people to think it was better the Tylers. I mean I seriously doubt someone would just hand him that score. Plus from what I've heard from a few different people who have a bootleg of it, the boot is only 40 something minutes and as different track titles then what is posted on FSM review. Jeff
posted 12-08-2003 10:05 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Standard Userer	I'm trying to see where FSM put these two scores against each other as the thread title here claims. The two reviews reference the other Timeline score (logically so) but I still see nowhere where the reviewers exalts or diminishes one score in favor of the other. The only indication is in the star rating. The only competition between these scores (composers) is the one being generated by "fanboys" (already a cliche term two years ago) in either composer's camp.
posted 12-08-2003 10:52 AM PT (US)

Joseph W. Bat Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeff78: Well I've never heard of AK Benjamin over thre before until today. So I'm sure he does not work for FSM, but is a reader who sent in his own "review". Probably some Goldsmith fanboy who is getting mad about all this tyler vs goldsmith crap that he decided to do a fake review of Timeline to get people to think it was better the Tylers. I mean I seriously doubt someone would just hand him that score. Plus from what I've heard from a few different people who have a bootleg of it, the boot is only 40 something minutes and as different track titles then what is posted on FSM review. Jeff Give me a break. This is why all of this crap is still going on, because of people posting stuff like this. That IS the correct version and he DOES have it. How he got it? I haven't the slighest idea. But that's ill relevant. Best regards, Joe
posted 12-08-2003 12:37 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	I love bootlegs. They bring out the sunshine in everyone.
posted 12-08-2003 01:00 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	Really? Maybe I should send you a copy of Speed 2 then.
posted 12-08-2003 01:24 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Joseph W. Bat: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Jeff78: [b]Well I've never heard of AK Benjamin over thre before until today. So I'm sure he does not work for FSM, but is a reader who sent in his own "review". Probably some Goldsmith fanboy who is getting mad about all this tyler vs goldsmith crap that he decided to do a fake review of Timeline to get people to think it was better the Tylers. I mean I seriously doubt someone would just hand him that score. Plus from what I've heard from a few different people who have a bootleg of it, the boot is only 40 something minutes and as different track titles then what is posted on FSM review. Jeff<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Give me a break. This is why all of this crap is still going on, because of people posting stuff like this. That IS the correct version and he DOES have it. How he got it? I haven't the slighest idea. But that's ill relevant. Best regards, Joe[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not saying he does have it, and I'm not saying he does not have it. But how do you know he DOES have it? That's where you getting at. Did you happen to go to his house and listen to it? Did he say hey I have it and you say hey he must have it because he said he does? Did he send you some clips over the net? or are you him under a alias name? I bet he also got it from Ford A. Thaxton's bootleg record company. Jeff NP - Titanic 4cd recording sessions. I do have this because I said I do. [Message edited by Jeff78 on 12-08-2003]
posted 12-08-2003 01:26 PM PT (US)

Joseph W. Bat Non-Standard Userer	You'll know for sure that he has it, once it starts spreading, which it has already begun too. Its ammusing how sarcastic and paranoid you people will get when it comes to these things. There have been other bootlegs released that seem more impossible then this one, I'll tell you that right now. Best regards, Joe [Message edited by Joseph W. Bat on 12-08-2003]
posted 12-08-2003 01:40 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	Dude, i'm just messin with you. I'm not trying to come down on you. It's just funny watching people argue over the most stupidest things. But I do know 2 people who have a 40+ minute copy. But not teh same tracklisting, which could have easily been made up as always. This thread will die down much like the Beltrami vs Fiedel thread or Gigli. Jeff [Message edited by Jeff78 on 12-08-2003]
posted 12-08-2003 01:47 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Jeff, can I have a copy of the Titanic 4-CD? I can't even imagine so much sunshine. STPD/SPF 50 required for certain.
posted 12-08-2003 03:11 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by PeterK: Jeff, can I have a copy of the Titanic 4-CD? I can't even imagine so much sunshine. STPD/SPF 50 required for certain. Sure Peter, i'll send that to you along with the 2cd 3 disc Mighty Joe Young recording sessions and original rejected score..before it was replaced by Horner's past scores. Jeff
posted 12-08-2003 03:21 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	This guy is quite bitter. I find it ironic that he says my praising TIMELINE will ultimately hurt the score. But according to his logic praising Goldsmith's score won't do the same? Like I said in my review (which contrary to the FSM article does NOT bash Goldsmith or his score), the proof is in the pudding. Tyler's score is in stores. See for yourself. Ryan
posted 12-08-2003 03:44 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: Tyler's score is in stores. See for yourself. Ryan Sure. Just give me 23$ subsidy, and I'll be glad to.
posted 12-08-2003 04:41 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Standard Userer	Tyler's score being in stores and Goldsmith's score not has nothing to do with it. Rejected scores don't get releases very often anyway and + as I recall Goldsmith's score was recorded in LA. And yes, Timeleine -un-used- is still fresh in the trading world. Just hold all your wanten illegal getting horses for three months and it will be fairly easy to attain a copy.
posted 12-08-2003 05:37 PM PT (US)

Doug Adams Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeff78: Well I've never heard of AK Benjamin over thre before until today. So I'm sure he does not work for FSM, but is a reader who sent in his own "review". Probably some Goldsmith fanboy who is getting mad about all this tyler vs goldsmith crap that he decided to do a fake review of Timeline to get people to think it was better the Tylers. I mean I seriously doubt someone would just hand him that score. Plus from what I've heard from a few different people who have a bootleg of it, the boot is only 40 something minutes and as different track titles then what is posted on FSM review. Jeff AK is a real person and he really has Goldsmith's score on CD. No conspiracy. And no, I'm not him. He's written a good bit for FSM in the past. -Doug Adams
posted 12-08-2003 08:50 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Doug Adams: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Jeff78: [b]Well I've never heard of AK Benjamin over thre before until today. So I'm sure he does not work for FSM, but is a reader who sent in his own "review". Probably some Goldsmith fanboy who is getting mad about all this tyler vs goldsmith crap that he decided to do a fake review of Timeline to get people to think it was better the Tylers. I mean I seriously doubt someone would just hand him that score. Plus from what I've heard from a few different people who have a bootleg of it, the boot is only 40 something minutes and as different track titles then what is posted on FSM review. Jeff<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> AK is a real person and he really has Goldsmith's score on CD. No conspiracy. And no, I'm not him. He's written a good bit for FSM in the past. -Doug Adams[/B] Oh, well excuess me all to hell. Jeff
posted 12-09-2003 01:53 AM PT (US)

JeffBond Standard Userer	I'll happily "excuess" you all to hell too and vouch for the reviewer--he heard exactly the same Goldsmith Timeline I did. I have no idea if there's a 40-minute version out there but let's recall Goldsmith had to rewrite this thing at least once so there could be numerous versions. I think both works have their merits; right now I'm leaning toward Goldsmith's.
posted 12-09-2003 11:32 AM PT (US)

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