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    Topic:   Even Williams gets no respect.

     HAL 2000
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    From some orchestra players, that is.

    Below is a link to a Chicago Sun Times review of Williams' Saturday night concert with the CSO. In the last paragraph the writer comments on the aloofness of some of the CSO musicians during the final applause.

    I was at the Friday night concert (which was all film music and wonderful, BTW) and I noticed the same joyless expressions on the part of most of the players. Williams did three curtain calls (Yoda's theme, Superman March and The Misson Theme from the NBC Nightly News). Each time the orchestra seemed to get more annoyed when they had to play another selection.

    Of course that's my impression and they may not have had any ill feelings at all. But it sure looked like they were only doing a job, (though the performances were tight and spirited).

    In the concert mentioned in the article Williams premiered his Horn Concerto. You'ed think that a composer of Williams' stature doing a work written especially for the concert hall would get him some props from these folks but I suspect that many players might go out of thier way to make it known that they are not enjoying playing music by ANY Hollywood composer... even John Williams.

    Anyway, discuss amongst yourselves.

    http://www.suntimes.com/output/delacoma/cst-ftr-cso01.html >

    P.S. Williams was as gracious and soft-spoken as ever. He did seem, however visably fatigued by the end of the night. He is 72 afterall. There was a cute moment when he almost forgot to play a Harry Potter selection, paused, and turned to the audience to declare that he was having a "senior moment".

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    posted 12-02-2003 08:38 AM PT (US)     

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    Hey, Jack McKeon is also 72 and look how that wound-up 'curmudgeon' operates. And what he accomplished this year! But you bring up something very interesting. Were the players simply not on the same page with Mr. Williams? Had he pulled any Herrmanns with the group pre-concert? Any history we're not privy to? But it may not be a case of disrespect or anything. Perhaps a pay or related issue, if you know what I mean. I just can't imagine any orchestra not wanting to play for such an accomplished film music maestro. Then again, business is business I suppose (artistic temperament and all that).

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    posted 12-02-2003 09:28 AM PT (US)     

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    Originally posted by Howard L:
    Were the players simply not on the same page with Mr. Williams? Had he pulled any Herrmanns with the group pre-concert? Any history we're not privy to? But it may not be a case of disrespect or anything. Perhaps a pay or related issue, if you know what I mean.

    I just don't know Howard. It all could add up. I've been to numerous symphony performances where the program was strictly classical. I can't really remember the demeanor of the players at those events. It could be that they had the same stoic appearance which would fit the serious, "art and culture" atmosphere of the evening when classical is played.

    The more celebratory and exuberant audience that comes out to a movie music program may be at odds with the serious stance that symphony players tend to display.

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    posted 12-02-2003 09:51 AM PT (US)     

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    It's been brought to my attention from students of music at my college alma mater that Pops programs are looked down upon regularly. Adding a synthesizer to an orchestra destroys the prestige in their minds, or anything that is not classical of origin is uncultured slop. Essentially, if these or any variant of opinions thatcould be similar are truly how classical performing orchestras feel, then they would be guilty of the same dismissal that those who dig on current musical trends write off classical for the reason that it is boring, doesn't have "beats", or that it has no words, and therefore is easy for them to dismiss.

    Anyone who truly loves music by way of listening to it, performing it, or writing it should try not dismiss any form of music as being beneath them. I may not like Tejano or Mariachi genres as a matter of repeated listening, but that doesn't mean I don't respect their place in the world.

    Not knowing what these musicians were thinking, this is all soapbox conjecture from me. But if I were in their place, I would marvel at what Williams does. Many performing musicians don't have the ability or the breadth of talent to compose- not all, but some. It's a power that has it's own measure of responsibility and should be treated with a certain amount of respect.

    But then, that's just my opinion.

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    posted 12-02-2003 10:02 AM PT (US)     

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    I was there at Friday's show and will be attending tonight's as well, to hear the Horn concerto. I sat in the terrace section, behind the orchestra and at least the percussion section was really into the show, probably because Williams's marches give them quite a workout! There was a lady violinist who caught my eye several times, due to the smile on her face as she watched the brass during 'Hogwarts Forever' and the woodwinds during 'Diagon Alley'. She seemed to enjoy the performance, but perhaps on Saturday the players had felt burned out after rehearsing and then performing from Williams's canon. I wonder how grumpy they will be tonight, then!

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    posted 12-02-2003 12:10 PM PT (US)     

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    Yeah I'm with Frank...probably gets to be just another job for them when playing so often. They probably don't intend to look worn out, but the body speaks for itself.

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    posted 12-02-2003 01:27 PM PT (US)     

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    If they look so tired now, when the season is relatively young, how are they going to look in May?

    There was a PBS/Carnegie Hall broadcast last year, and the Chicago Symphony Orchestra musicians looked extremely bored on it too. Boredom seems to be a common feature of North American orchestras. Audiences in Toronto recently complained about the players' indifferent attitude.
    The orchestras that don't look bored seem to attract greater audience response: LA Phil, San Francisco Symphony, Orchestre Symphonique de Québec, then in turn, the musicians play better. Somebody needs to break the vicious circle.
    Hopefully a happier Chicago audience means in the future the grim faces in the orchestra will disappear.

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    posted 12-02-2003 03:21 PM PT (US)     

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    Listening to most new classical recordings almost confirms the sense orchestras are just collecting checks and wallowing in boredom. Maybe it's just a side effect of corporate life in this time period, no passion or wisdom or insight, just mindless activity. Notes.

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    posted 12-02-2003 04:45 PM PT (US)     

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    The thing is, what matters most in the end is the quality of the music. I'm sure what Williams want is for the Chicago Symphony to show him the Money, and the Chicago Symphony has load of cash!

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    posted 12-02-2003 11:54 PM PT (US)     

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    It could be (this is just speculation) that they really were just kind of tired. I've had to play encores before, and even if I like the music, it can be tiring after you've just finished a complete concert. I can't imagine having to do three encores. It may just have been that they were ready to go home.

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    posted 12-08-2003 06:04 AM PT (US)     

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    You guys should really take a look at the Mexico City Philharmonic Orchestra. If you ever get the chance.
    No kidding. It's fresh and accurate. A hidden jewel.

    Rach

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