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TV's Frank Standard Userer	I will be getting this at lunch, but still wanted to start a thread devoted to it. The review over at Ryan's site, cinemusic.net, is quite promising and since Tyler has been my best surprise this year I am sure I will love TIMELINE as well.
posted 11-25-2003 08:52 AM PT (US)

Justin Standard Userer	Anxious to hear everyone's thoughts myself. Glad he was able to score this film. May be the only good thing about it
posted 11-25-2003 09:22 AM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	I've actually been reading some good reviews of this film...kinda like...leave your brain at the bottom of the popcorn bag and just go with it and you'll have fun kinda thing... Meaningless, mindless fun....now that's what a summer blockbuster is all about....even in winter... I'm sure Brian's score is gonna kick butt!! Can't wait to pick this one up! Joe
posted 11-25-2003 09:49 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	It seems that Ryan need to do a proper cleanup of the homepage.
posted 11-25-2003 10:23 AM PT (US)

Big Owl Non-Standard Userer	I must congratulate Ryan on his successfully avoiding mention of Jerry Goldsmith anywhere in the review. You can be certain that other reviewers won't be able to resist.
posted 11-25-2003 10:43 AM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	The thing that gets me is that on Ryans review, he keeps referring to a track called Greek Fire which I don't see on the tracklisting. Jeff
posted 11-25-2003 12:07 PM PT (US)

Justin Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeff78: The thing that gets me is that on Ryans review, he keeps referring to a track called Greek Fire which I don't see on the tracklisting. Jeff He referring to a promo copy perhaps? If so, cool beans
posted 11-25-2003 02:31 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Hi, thanks for the kind comments. I'll post more when I get the chance, but referring to "Green Fire", it's the second half of "Night Arrows". The cue was combined with "Night Arrows" and therefore the title simplified. FYI there is an error in the tracklisting included with my review. It says "Transcription Arrows" when it should read "Transcription Errors". I've fired the entire quality control department at Cinemusic and will have them replaced by the end of the week. Ryan
posted 11-25-2003 03:24 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: Hi, thanks for the kind comments. I'll post more when I get the chance, but referring to "Green Fire", it's the second half of "Night Arrows". The cue was combined with "Night Arrows" and therefore the title simplified. FYI there is an error in the tracklisting included with my review. It says "Transcription Arrows" when it should read "Transcription Errors". I've fired the entire quality control department at Cinemusic and will have them replaced by the end of the week. Ryan Hire Justin Boggan. I think he still needs a job. jeff
posted 11-25-2003 06:32 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	FYI, Brian's site has 4 clips: http://www.briantyler.com/audioclips.html As well, Varese's site now has clips: http://www.varesesarabande.com/details.asp?pid=302%2D066%2D531%2D2 Get it!! Ryan
posted 11-25-2003 07:19 PM PT (US)

DavidOC Standard Userer	The underlying melody in Galvanize the Troops is absolutely infectious - I've just played that clip about 10 times in a row!
posted 11-25-2003 08:03 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	Some random observations after hearing the clips on the Varese site... I'm one of those bastard Goldsmith fanboys, but I have to admit that the clip to "Galvanize The Troops" sounds pretty neat. The "Battle of La Rogue" clip starts nice with a RoboCopish thing going on. The last clip sounds like Barry.
posted 11-25-2003 08:52 PM PT (US)

jburrows Standard Userer	This music really sucks! You people need to have your heads examined if you think that this sounds good. A movie like Timeline needs a strong score, and by that I mean that this film needs a theme, or at least one melodic line. Shame on Donner and Michael Crichton for back stabbing Jerry on this one. It seems that this score CD is just another waste of time and a missed opportunity on the part of Tyler.
posted 11-25-2003 08:54 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	jburrows, you really shouldn't have done that, man.
posted 11-25-2003 09:10 PM PT (US)

Al Standard Userer	Whether it be from the bitter Goldsmith fanboys or those who think Tyler just might be the best gift to man since fire, I feel I have yet to see a review for the Timeline score that is reasonably unbiased.
posted 11-26-2003 01:05 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	BESTSET SKORE OF THE YEAR! DAT ISLIKE THEKOOLERMOST SQUORE OF LIKE THE HOLE CENTURI! TI EVEN BEAT DUH ODER BESTS SCORES OF LASTEST YEARS LIKE GODS/GENERAL & X2 & XXX!!!! BUY IT! BUY IT! I BUY TEN! THIS SOOO GOOD!
posted 11-26-2003 06:23 AM PT (US)

Big Owl Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Al: Whether it be from the bitter Goldsmith fanboys or those who think Tyler just might be the best gift to man since fire, I feel I have yet to see a review for the Timeline score that is reasonably unbiased. Don't hold your breath...
posted 11-26-2003 06:44 AM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	Now, if only jburrows knew what he was talking about... There is a reason why Brian worked so hard on this score. He is a true fan of Jerry Goldsmith and, I don't know about you, but if I was a composer and I heard that my idol (or someone I deeply respected) had been let go on a project and I was being asked to replace him...I'd have the dry heaves for a week! And then I'd do my damndest to come up with a score that not one HE would be proud of, but that would compliment the film to the very best of my abilities (and beyond, if possible). Let's give Tyler credit for coming in to what can only be described as a delicate situation in the first place and giving us such awesome music. This guy is truly one of the most exciting musical voices to appear in a very long time (I remember the buzz around Goldenthal back in 92...not much since). Donner and Crichton, by the way, didn't dump Goldsmith from Timeline. If you're gonna diss someone, get your facts straight. Joe
posted 11-26-2003 08:02 AM PT (US)

Tim_P Standard Userer	Am I the only one who's really annoyed by Tyler's hair? Is he trying to look and dress like Siegfried? (of Siegfried and Roy) Now Goldsmith- there's a guy with some kick-ass hair and fashion sense! (as we all know) If I lived on the moon, it would be my dream to pick moonrocks with Jerry and we'd have conversations (while picking moonrocks) about girls and monster trucks. And then we'd have a picnic, and Brian Tyler sure as hell wouldn't be invited. -Bitter Goldsmith Fanboy NP: Definitely not that crappy Timeline score.
posted 11-26-2003 08:03 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Standard Userer	I have listened to most of it and certainly must hail it as perhaps the most rock solid orchestral action score for 2003 that is NOT composed by a Media Ventures monkey. Tyler's Children of Dune is one of my fav's from this year and Timeline takes some ideas from that, plus from Darkness Falls, and amps it all up to 11. In other words, I really really like it! Now certainly both ROTK and Revolutions are amped up to 11, but their respecitive emotional content has an entirely different effect on me. Timeline is just rousing, perhaps lacking in subtext but you gotta look to the source for that problem. Either way, I look forward to listening to this one many times.
posted 11-26-2003 10:28 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by JoeInSanDiego: This guy is truly one of the most exciting musical voices to appear in a very long time What a sad state film music's gotten itself into.
posted 11-26-2003 02:57 PM PT (US)

jburrows Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by JoeInSanDiego: [b]This guy is truly one of the most exciting musical voices to appear in a very long time<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> What a sad state film music's gotten itself into. [/B] Thankyou Dinko!!!! It is truly sad to see the state that film music has reached, especially when people like JoeInSanDiego are in love with the music of Brian Tyler. I never said that Tyler is a crappy Composer, just that Timeline needed a theme/motif. I did like the music that he wrote for Dune, it was good, however with so many composers out there, like myself, opportunities to score big films deserve music that feels big and helps to uplift the film. Timeline is getting terrible reviews around the country at this time, and it's no wonder why - Stale acting, and very weak music.
posted 11-26-2003 04:14 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	I think we got to the bottom of jburrow's problems. Someone a little miffed their career is stalled? As for bad reviews of TIMELINE, what do they have to do with the score? I mean, come on -- when a film is panned, it rarely has to do with the music. I think there are probably a lot of problems with TIMELINE, but the music ain't one of them. Ryan
posted 11-26-2003 04:40 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: I think there are probably a lot of problems with TIMELINE, but the music ain't one of them. The music has never been the problem with Timeline. I don't think Jerry Goldsmith's score was chucked 'cause it was bad, I think it was chucked because the film Goldsmith scored was edited into something completely different, and when asked to come back and re-score the picture, well, it just didn't happen. Whether it was because Goldsmith didn't want to (or couldn't?), or because they simply didn't have the budget to afford his talents again, they chose Brian Tyler. Let's see: Tyler's young, he's talented, he's hip and energetic, he's looking for bigger, better projects, and hey, he's a lot cheaper than Jerry! Bingo and voila. We get a Timeline: Music by Brian Tyler disc from Varese. Or at least that's my take on it. Then again, I'm just a kid. What do I know? [Message edited by Jeron on 11-26-2003]
posted 11-26-2003 04:57 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	jburrows, have you seen the film or are you basing your opinion of Brian Tyler's score on the album? If you are basing it on the album, you are making a mistake because the album is not sequenced in film order and there is only about 45 minutes of music. There is definitely more music in the film. There are lots of great themes in his score. I believe his main theme is in the main title on the album. There's a nice lengthy suite of themes during the end credits but that didn't make it to the album. I like Brian Tyler's music. I think he's incredibly talented and his enthusiasm shows in the writing.
posted 11-26-2003 09:26 PM PT (US)

Hornerfan Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by jburrows: This music really sucks! You people need to have your heads examined if you think that this sounds good. A movie like Timeline needs a strong score, and by that I mean that this film needs a theme, or at least one melodic line. Shame on Donner and Michael Crichton for back stabbing Jerry on this one. It seems that this score CD is just another waste of time and a missed opportunity on the part of Tyler. I don't know what you're talking about, but there are PLENTY of strong themes, ideas, and motifs running around this score. If you can't pick them out, then maybe YOU need to have your head examined. Mike
posted 11-26-2003 10:30 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	Well when you have your nose up a composers ass...every other composers score sucks.. atleast the ones who replaced golsmiths scores. Jeff [Message edited by Jeff78 on 11-26-2003]
posted 11-26-2003 11:05 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeff78: Well when you have your nose up a composers ass... Ewww... I know there's some weird stuff out there, but really. That's just nasty.
posted 11-26-2003 11:56 PM PT (US)

jburrows Standard Userer	As for the comments about me being frustrated about a non-career in film scoring, and taking it out on Tyler, those comments are completely ridiculous! I haven't even tried to break into scoring a film yet, I am preparing to do so. When I speak of missed opportunities on the part of Brian Tyler, I am speaking about how this composer does not create a film score that supports a film like Timline. I also feel that there are so many composers out there that would have done ten times better in re-scoring such a film, I am not one of those composers yet (rkeaveny). I never said that I would have scored this film better, go back and actually read my post. I compose music, not film music. I also have a very great appreciation for the art of scoring films. Let's face it, composers like Brian Tyler, write scores that are good but not great. Timeline's music is serviceable at best, just like the score for DUNE that Tyler wrote. I have seen this film and heard the score - this movie was about as exciting as seeing THE CORE on DVD this past summer. Both films SUCK! Anyone that enjoys the music from TIMELINE should not be writing film music reviews, nor should they even be putting the names of Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams, James Horner, John Debney, Trevor Jones, David Arnold, Danny Elfman, Joel Mcneely, Elliot Goldenthal, Hans Zimmer, J.N. Howard, and the list continues...the greatnes that goes with each one of these composers to shame by sticking Brian Tyler's name next to them. Justin Caine Burnett - you are not alone on the losers list anymore. Here comes Brian! Rack'em
posted 11-28-2003 08:26 AM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	OK, now when was the last time Goldsmith wrote a great score??? Probably the late 80's or early 90's. All his score past The Haunting (a terrible score at that) have not been great.. Hell of all the ones he has done from mid 90's till now, The only ones I think that are good are Star Trek: First Contact and Nemesis. Just because Tyler scored a film that you did not enjoy is no reason to bash him all together and say he needs to be at the bottom of the **** list of composers. Frailty, Children of Dune, Terror Tract and Darkness Falls are all great scores. I have enjoyed his work alot more that what Goldsmith has done in the past 10 years. Jeff
posted 11-28-2003 09:41 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeff78: Frailty, Children of Dune, Terror Tract and Darkness Falls are all great scores. What's so 'great' about droning underscore? Most of Tyler's fillermusik is not much different from anything Goldsmith has written lately. Why like one load of droning poop but not the other?
posted 11-28-2003 09:55 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dinko: What's so 'great' about droning underscore? Most of Tyler's fillermusik is not much different from anything Goldsmith has written lately. Why like one load of droning poop but not the other? I'm not for either, but perhaps they've simply gotten tired of the composer who's always churn out generic droning since recent memory?
posted 11-28-2003 01:17 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	I went to SEVEN music stores across 2 towns, and noone had this soundtrack!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why Mr. Anderson, Why, Why, WHY?!
posted 11-28-2003 02:51 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: I'm not for either, but perhaps they've simply gotten tired of the composer who's always churn out generic droning since recent memory? If that were the case, everybody would be listening to Bernard Herrmann, Miklos Rozsa, Franz Waxman, and etc. instead of stuff like Media Ventures and Brian Tyler. [Message edited by jonathan_little on 11-28-2003]
posted 11-28-2003 03:10 PM PT (US)

TimT Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by TimT: I went to SEVEN music stores across 2 towns, and noone had this soundtrack!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why Mr. Anderson, Why, Why, WHY?!<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Update, Its now upto NINE stores. And Freakin' Best Buy has had 3 copies since tuesday, and hasn't put them out on the shelf yet, and they don't seem like they want to. Is that even legal? [Message edited by TimT on 11-28-2003]
posted 11-28-2003 06:22 PM PT (US)

Joseph W. Bat Non-Standard Userer	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by jburrows: As for the comments about me being frustrated about a non-career in film scoring, and taking it out on Tyler, those comments are completely ridiculous! I haven't even tried to break into scoring a film yet, I am preparing to do so. When I speak of missed opportunities on the part of Brian Tyler, I am speaking about how this composer does not create a film score that supports a film like Timline. I also feel that there are so many composers out there that would have done ten times better in re-scoring such a film, I am not one of those composers yet (rkeaveny). I never said that I would have scored this film better, go back and actually read my post. I compose music, not film music. I also have a very great appreciation for the art of scoring films. Let's face it, composers like Brian Tyler, write scores that are good but not great. Timeline's music is serviceable at best, just like the score for DUNE that Tyler wrote. I have seen this film and heard the score - this movie was about as exciting as seeing THE CORE on DVD this past summer. Both films SUCK! Anyone that enjoys the music from TIMELINE should not be writing film music reviews, nor should they even be putting the names of Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams, James Horner, John Debney, Trevor Jones, David Arnold, Danny Elfman, Joel Mcneely, Elliot Goldenthal, Hans Zimmer, J.N. Howard, and the list continues...the greatnes that goes with each one of these composers to shame by sticking Brian Tyler's name next to them. Justin Caine Burnett - you are not alone on the losers list anymore. Here comes Brian! Rack'em<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Ignore Ryan. He enjoys taking crap out on other people on the internet. His attitude stinks. He's lucky no one he works for in the industry reads his stuff on message boards. If they did, he would get no film work. A good reviewer and artist, however. Remember though, he runs Tyler's site, and a bunch of others, so obviously he is going to like their work. Best regards, Joe [Message edited by Joseph W. Bat on 11-28-2003]
posted 11-28-2003 06:52 PM PT (US)

Hornerfan Standard Userer	Good lord. I don't know what kind of music you're listening to, but I don't hear any droning in Tyler's scores. Especially TIMELINE and DARKNESS FALLS. Where exactly is all this droning? And jburrows, how is TIMELINE only serviceable? You've given no musical reasons as to it being a bad score, other than a lack of thematic material in your estimation, but you obviously are unable to defend such comments. By the way, this comment, "however with so many composers out there, like myself, opportunities to score big films deserve music that feels big and helps to uplift the film", from you, makes me believe that you're just a little jealous that someone like Tyler can get a break and you can't. So, in conclusion, my two questions: where is the Tyler droning, and how is TIMELINE not a thematic score? What, do themes have to jump out and bite you on the ass for you to notice them? To quote Ryan: You're a moron. Mike
posted 11-28-2003 08:18 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Joseph W. Bat: [Message edited by Joseph W. Bat on 11-28-2003] Hmn... You edited your post, yet all that bullshit still made it through. Weird! Ryan
posted 11-28-2003 09:39 PM PT (US)

BMikeJ Standard Userer	Ryan, my Canadian compatriot, you is DAMN funny! The ignorance and elitism is so thick in this thread that the only reason to come back and look at it is to see your replies. NP: Director's Cuts - Drones
posted 11-28-2003 10:13 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by jonathan_little: If that were the case, everybody would be listening to Bernard Herrmann, Miklos Rozsa, Franz Waxman, and etc. [Message edited by jonathan_little on 11-28-2003] Why would they care for those guy when you can listen to Bach? and Mozart? and Tchaikovsky?
posted 11-28-2003 10:36 PM PT (US)

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