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    Topic:   LOTR Box Set is going to be...expensive

     Marian Schedenig
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    Read this article at soundtrack.net where Howard Shore talks about scoring ROTK, a book about the music in the LOTR movies, and the upcoming box set that will apparently contain *at least* the full scores to all three movies...and potentially a lot more.

    There's no way this is going to be cheap, but whatever they'll charge for it, it looks like it'll definitely be worth it.

    NP: Waterworld (James Newton Howard)

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    posted 11-20-2003 08:05 AM PT (US)     

     SEBULBA
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    WOW! That's a lot of music. Definately not a cheap set. But probably definately worth it.

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    posted 11-20-2003 08:39 AM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    I will pay my money

    --Brian

    NP: Holland's Opus

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    posted 11-20-2003 11:15 AM PT (US)     

     JClark
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    I'd drop this on my credit card instantaneously. Considering how much this hobby has cost me thus far, another 9-CD set wouldn't seem like more than a drop in the fiscal bucket.

    And because I'm dumb, is the LotR Symphony scheduled for recording at all?

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    posted 11-20-2003 11:44 AM PT (US)     

     MWRuger
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    Sigh...

    I will probably get it as well. I probably won't listen to all that often due to length, but I don't think I can pass it up.

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    posted 11-20-2003 12:19 PM PT (US)     

     Mark Olivarez
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JClark:
    I'd drop this on my credit card instantaneously. Considering how much this hobby has cost me thus far, another 9-CD set wouldn't seem like more than a drop in the fiscal bucket.

    I agree 100%. I can't wait for this to be released.

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    posted 11-21-2003 06:55 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by JClark:
    ...is the LotR Symphony scheduled for recording at all?

    Yes it is, but I don't know any more details other than that.

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    posted 11-21-2003 07:24 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    Whatever they do with the LOTR symphony recording, I hope they get rid of John Kurlander.

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    posted 11-21-2003 07:31 AM PT (US)     

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    Marian?

    Will you be in Antwerp too next year?

    Would be fun!

    FoobsZ

    And also in February, London 18?

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    posted 11-21-2003 09:25 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    Antwerp: Probably not. If the planned Berlin concert is still going to happen, I find that easier, because I speak their language.

    London: Oh yes! Haven't ordered my ticket yet, but should probably do so over the next few days, until category H is sold out like A is already.

    NP: Finding Nemo (Thomas Newman)

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    posted 11-21-2003 11:19 AM PT (US)     

     Justin
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    Definitely going to expensive. I'm thinking a little under a hundred if not over...I'd fork out some serious dough for this set. Lots of brilliant music.

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    posted 11-21-2003 01:48 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    Okay, so Howard Shore says we'll be getting at least any where between 7-9 discs.

    Even if the set is $115, that's still a heck of a deal.

    Of course, it's all up in the air as to what the price is really gonna be. But going off of Justin's estimations, and assuming they are roughly accurate, anyone who thinks it's unreasonable is just silly.

    J

    [Message edited by Jeron on 11-21-2003]

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    posted 11-21-2003 03:42 PM PT (US)     

     rachmaninov
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    quote:
    Would someone really want all 12 hours?


    I would.

    Wow, these are fantastic news. It is so great to listen to it from Shore. I really hope the largest length possible!
    I hadn’t heard anything about that book by Doug Adams. (Well, I had been away from this for sometime, and I still going like crazy with this year, but, whatever, I hope to stay better informed) Seems to be great!

    Rach

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    posted 11-24-2003 05:50 AM PT (US)     

     Doug Adams
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    You didn't miss anything. The book hadn't been *formally* announced... though, I guess word's out now! We're doing our best to make this a film score lover's dream. Everything from behind the scenes at the recording sessions; interviews with composers, producers, engineers, performers, directors, linguists, opera experts; thematic analyses; lyrics; guest performers (more interviews); details on the special instruments; beautiful photographs from Ben Ealovega; possibly some original artwork; cue lists; abandoned concepts. Everything! I've been working with Howard and the Newline team for over three years now. The goal is to make something that's as comprehensive and as entertaining as the LOTR DVDs, but dedicated entirely to the music. There should be something for everyone from trained musicians, to film music fans, LOTR fans and people who simply love the world of modern music.

    Wish I could give more specifics, but everything's still brewing. There's never been an "Official" book like this before, so we're doing everything humanly possible to get this right. I'll keep you guys updated.

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    posted 11-24-2003 08:32 AM PT (US)     

     Widescreen
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    Doug,

    I'm interested in writing a book on film music and would like to confer with you briefly, and at your convenience.

    May I contact you outside of the board via e-mail?


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    posted 11-24-2003 08:56 AM PT (US)     

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    Awesome news Doug! The info you provided was good enough to get all of us ready for what is in store I'm sure. Much appreciated for chiming in on what you have.

    ...and to think, I use to think Shore only did minor film scores and didn't consider him all that great. The guy is really talented as he has proven.

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    posted 11-24-2003 09:04 AM PT (US)     

     Doug Adams
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Widescreen:
    Doug,

    I'm interested in writing a book on film music and would like to confer with you briefly, and at your convenience.

    May I contact you outside of the board via e-mail?



    Sure thing. In fact, anyone's welcome to e-mail with further questions / requests.

    D_Adams1127@aol.com

    (Remove the underscore.)

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    posted 11-24-2003 10:01 AM PT (US)     

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    As far as the LOTR scores go, is there anyone else out there who's perfectly happy with the music as presented on the albums? It's one of those few cases where I think the album edits really improve the quality of the compositions. For instance the Bridge at Khazad Duhm, Forth Eorlingas, and Isengard Unleashed are all much better on album than in the movie. When I watch these scenes I sometimes feel like I'm watching the Phantom Menace because the music is so jarringly different than the albums.

    I also generally don't see much interesting material that isn't on the albums in either versions of the movies. The missing music I would like to have probably adds up to no more than ten minutes. If anything it's a testament to Howard Shore and his music editors.

    Just so I don't get stoned, I'm not saying a complete box set is a bad idea. In fact I think it's great news. I wish Star Wars 1-3 and the Matrix Trilogy could one day get that sort of treatment. Depending on what's in the LOTR set, I might buy it. I'm a huge Wagner fan so the thought of buying a mere 9 disc set of music doesn't phase me anymore I just wanted to comment that the LOTR albums are great representations of the score already and in a lot of places better than what's in the film.

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    posted 11-24-2003 08:33 PM PT (US)     

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    Doug! Wow! So that book really seems to be awesome! Great! I hope that your entire project comes out well. Exiting!

    Wicknestein: I agree that if you just want to have a general idea about Shore’s work with LOTR, you would buy just the normal soundtracks. But I think that there are amazing cues that have not been released, and you also have to take into your account that this box set will get edited as well. In the film many cues didn’t come out loud enough in the mixout. Howard said he is working on the edition himself. I’m sure that if you really liked LOTR music, the box set will really worth the price. I shall also think that the box set will be a limited edition. However, if you aren’t a big fan of lotr music, and you just want to listen a nice soundtrack, the normal soundtracks are a good choice.

    Rach


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    posted 11-25-2003 12:08 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Wickenstein:
    It's one of those few cases where I think the album edits really improve the quality of the compositions. For instance the Bridge at Khazad Duhm, Forth Eorlingas, and Isengard Unleashed are all much better on album than in the movie. When I watch these scenes I sometimes feel like I'm watching the Phantom Menace because the music is so jarringly different than the albums.

    Disagreed. The music in the film sounds different because there's a lot missing on the CDs. I'm not so sure about TTT (hard to tell, because the album isn't chronological at all), but the tracks on FOTR are severely shortened. For example, the Khazad-dum music is missing the intense dwarf chanting for the beginning of the stair sequence, and even the Balrog music is absent.

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    I also generally don't see much interesting material that isn't on the albums in either versions of the movies.

    Opening of FOTR, the Caradhras music, the bits I mentioned above, plus all the great new EE material (Moria fanfare, choral stuff in the finale). For TTT, there's the "berserker ostinato" in the Helm's Deep battle, for example.

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    If anything it's a testament to Howard Shore and his music editors.

    I do think these albums present the scores really well, but they're so short im comparison to the full thing, there's no way they wouldn't be missing a lot. Plus I find the FOTR editing superior to TTT's, it's really hard to figure out what belongs where on the latter, because the cues were re-sequenced for the album. Not to mention the bit that's on the normal version but was cut from the Limited Edition...

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    posted 11-25-2003 05:23 AM PT (US)     

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    I certainly would be interested in hearing the full scores in a box set, but truthfully, when I am in the mood for LOTR I will most likely always pull out the original albums. I can listen to 75-minute album much easier than a 3hr per film format. It is good for archival purposes, and for fans who can construct their own LOTR albums based on the box set, but it would be rare for me to sit through all 9-12 CDs at any time.

    I still champion the effort composers make to turn their scores into extremely listenable albums. Williams has always been the master at this, combining shorter cues into marvelous mini-suites on his Star Wars albums and such, and it is hard to beat these original versions for pure listening pleasure. The same with Shore, in that he has done an outstanding job in condensing the various styles, sounds, themes and story arc of each film into 75 minutes and I don't feel cheated at the end of the CD.

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    posted 11-25-2003 08:35 AM PT (US)     

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    I think of it like Firebird and Petroushka. Sometimes you’re in the mood for the suite, which is a lovely condensing of the moods and colors. Sometimes you’re in the mood for the unabridged versions, which are more narrative and developmental.

    But I’m immensely glad to have both options.

    -Doug

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    posted 11-25-2003 09:41 AM PT (US)     

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    Hello again,

    This is the first time I've been here in a long time.

    I first wanted to congratulate Doug on the book. That is an awesome project and one I look forward to reading.

    I can't wait for the complete score. I just hope Shore will do a couple of things with it. The first is that I hope he uses the full concert arrangements (I guess that is what you call them). For example, I hope Khazad-Dum will not have the sharp edit near the beginning like it does in the film. The CD features a little more music during the first 30 seconds of that track than the film does. However, I also hope that all of the Khazad-Dum music heard exclusively in the film will also be included on the complete score. So, it should be a blending of both.

    The second item is actually a continuation of the first. I hope that the music does not jump around and have sharp edits just because part of this piece and part of this other piece were used during the same scene. I would like the score to be chronological as much as possible, but I don't want the music to suffer. A good example of this would be the complete Phantom Menace score. The music especially during the last few tracks is terrible because it jumps all over the place trying to be presented as in the film. That is great and all, but Lucas repeatedly edited the big battles near the end and Williams' score is hacked to pieces. The music does not naturally flow together. It is hard to explain, but I hope it is clear.

    I have a failed petition to get the complete release of the Fellowship score out. It is still active at: http://www.petitiononline.com/LOTRFOTR/petition.html

    The reasons I called it a failure is that it didn't include any mention of the music added to the extended DVD and doesn't mention The Two Towers or Return of The King. That is because I put the petition up before I realized there would be an extended DVD featuring additional music. Also, I was hoping a complete score would come out just before the next film. I was hoping they would have released a complete Fellowship score in November 2002 and a complete Two Towers score the following Novemeber and so on. Anyway, I'm glad a complete score for all 3 films is coming.

    One other thing I hope is done is that an additional CD is inluded in the boxed set with Bilbo's party music and other similar music which may not be considered part of the score if these pieces are not included on the respective score CD's themselves.

    I'm definitely excited about the complete score and will definitely be picking it up and the Symphonic Concert as well if it's not included in the boxed set.

    Hopefully, Doug may be able to shed a little more light on the subject when the time draws near.


    Mythos


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    posted 11-26-2003 07:39 PM PT (US)     

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    I may have missed this in the thread, but is there a rumored date on this release? I'm just curious about how much time I'll have to collect money.

    Jz

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    posted 11-21-2004 01:51 PM PT (US)     

     Crono/Kyp
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    You? Money?.....

    It has yet to be announced

    --Bri

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    posted 11-21-2004 03:57 PM PT (US)     
     

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