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Originally posted by Howard L:
aaaaaaaah ya can't stand the heat so ya hadta start a new kitchen. [b]WUSS![/B]

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Do you not understand Howard's sense of humor or do I not understand your's? I know he was joking, but I honestly can't tell about you...

Since this is the positive Matrix thread, I'll talk about some things I actually liked about this film (which I disliked overall).

• The few scenes with Rama-Kandra, which felt like something out of the first film.
  
• His daughter, who provides a message that matches the messages of the first film in subtlety. SPOLIER//(Rama-Kandra is afraid she'll be deleted because she has no purpose, but she ends up serving one at the very, very end...so everything has a purpose.)//SPOILER
  
• Hugo Weaving, once again at the top of his game as Agent Smith.
  
• A typo in the end credits which said "Stand-ins for Keanu Reeves," then listed only one person, Thomas Scott. Although, it would have been funnier if the credit was "Stand-ins for Hugo Weaving."
  
• Commander Locke. The Wachowskis avoided the all-too-common cliche of having him do something that he thinks is in the best interests of the people but actually botches the whole thing up. Kudos.
  
• There's some wonderful walking-on-water imagery as Neo makes his way toward the Deus Ex Machina.
  
• I liked the way Neo saw the machine city (Hell) as being made of light, given that the Architect is Lucifer ("the light bearer").
  
• That shot of the sentinels multiplying by thousands during the invasion sequence. Great stuff.
  
• Lots of people (even some who liked the movie) have said that the fight between Neo and Smith was anti-climactic after the invasion sequence was so much more impressive, but I vehemently disagree. The invasion may be technically spectacular and marvelous, but it never moved me on an emotional level. The Neo-Smith duel really lit a spark inside me, however. I felt a lot more invested in that than in any other action sequence in either of the sequels. Very well done.
  
• I really liked how the ending, though not too ambiguous, also wasn't totally concise. I would have been very disappointed if they had tried to explain everything.
  
• The score, of course. Phenomenal, as I've said elsewhere.
  

Kirk
NP - Matrix Revolutions

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Originally posted by James:

The few scenes with Rama-Kandra, which felt like something out of the first film.

His daughter, who provides a message that matches the messages of the first film in subtlety. [b]SPOLIER//(Rama-Kandra is afraid she'll be deleted because she has no purpose, but she ends up serving one at the very, very end...so everything has a purpose.)//SPOILER
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Agreed - beautiful touch and beautifully played by father, mother and 'daughter' in the film.

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Hugo Weaving, once again at the top of his game as Agent Smith.

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Agreed. Appropriately manic in Revolutions - truly from the Al Pacino school. I love his completely out-of-control delivery of the 'why speech', though it did seem a bit Bond villainish.

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A typo in the end credits which said "Stand-in[b]s for Keanu Reeves," then listed only one person, Thomas Scott. Although, it would have been funnier if the credit was "Stand-ins for Hugo Weaving."
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LOL. Good to know these films cater to all tastes... moving right along.

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There's some wonderful walking-on-water imagery as Neo makes his way toward the Deus Ex Machina.

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Agreed. Fantastic. And when you see those machines crawling behind him, you know you've come a long way from the little squeaky machine that moves around the Death Star floors in Star Wars.

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I liked the way Neo saw the machine city (Hell) as being made of light, given that the Architect is Lucifer ("the light bearer").

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Interesting...

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That shot of the sentinels multiplying by thousands during the invasion sequence. Great stuff.

Lots of people (even some who liked the movie) have said that the fight between Neo and Smith was anti-climactic after the invasion sequence was so much more impressive, but I vehemently disagree. The invasion may be technically spectacular and marvelous, but it never moved me on an emotional level. The Neo-Smith duel really lit a spark inside me, however. I felt a lot more invested in that than in any other action sequence in either of the sequels. Very well done.

I really liked how the ending, though not too ambiguous, also wasn't totally concise. I would have been very disappointed if they had tried to explain everything.

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Agreed on the effects. Superb stuff. Who knows what bank of computers it must have taken to animate this stuff! As for the ending, my qualms arise from the fact that it really did explain everything that needed to be explained, but did so in a very perfunctory manner.

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The score, of course. Phenomenal, as I've said elsewhere.

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Yes and amen. The uses of the Neo-Trinity love theme throughout the film are very poignant, though I felt the segment accompanying 'Spirit of the Universe' was very undeserving of such great music.

Did you expect it to?

Granted the Zion dock battle wasn't Saving Private Ryan, but did you get really welled up when that A-Wing crashed into that Star Destroyer?

I think with Star Wars, it took us from 1977 to 1983 before we got really emotionally attached to any characters in sequels.... (And when I say this, sure, you may have watched the Empire Strikes back with some degree of emotional commitment, but if you watched that far, you were really eager to see how things turned out by the final movie.)

Now we're getting to the point where movie franchises are churned out in a matter of years and released in space of months? Did Matrix ever stand to move anyone as much as Lord of the Rings does? (Well, how long have you been familiar with Lord of the Rings?) They're curiously the same story, told with different emphasis on different aspects.

Matrix was, at its' core, an action movie. Do we get emotional at action movies? Not often. Most often, we're just hoping that the action movie we're watching differs in a good way from the hundreds of other action movies we've seen.

Do we expect to get more emotional about the Battle of Pellenor Fields in Return of the King? I think so--The LOTR trilogy has been, at heart, a dramatic film, and I think it's been so good that people don't realize it. The fight sequences are good, but they're not choreographed by Wo Ping. Do we expect to get a bit more emotional about Frodo and Sam who journey to "the source" of Mount Doom? I think so.

(Hm, does that make Agent Smith Gollum? Perhaps...there may be some further analysis required. Gollum is the shadowy counterpart of Frodo...hmm...) Well, at any rate--The Matrix Revolutions shows us images we've never seen before, while encased in a story that we've seen hundreds of times before. Does Revolutions throw a unique idea at us now and again? I think so.

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
The battle never moved you?

Did you expect it to?

Granted the Zion dock battle wasn't Saving Private Ryan, but did you get really welled up when that A-Wing crashed into that Star Destroyer?

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When I was a child, I spoke like a child, understood as a child, and cried like a baby. Now that I am no longer a child, I have put away childish things.