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sean Standard Userer	A good comparison to be made here, is that watching The Matrix Revolutions is like watching a friend play a video game; and, if you know how that feels, than you begin to understand how boring and pointless this film is. When I first listened to the score on that streaming site that has most of the tracks from the CD, I liked it. In fact, I liked it alot. But, now after seeing this waste-of-time-of-a-film, the score sounds really pretentious; in fact, it sounds stupid. Like when I listened to the openeing "Navras" (spelling?) I thought it was like the best thing since chocolate, or chronic. Now, all I can do is laugh when I hear it. It's a shame too, how films can ruin scores... this is a first for me. (the funniest bit was the nerd who got up in front of me when the credits started rolling and yelled at me for talking through the whole film—but, I never I talk at movies—when I actually laughed through almost every scene; everyone reacts differently to the material, I guess, and I was not touched by The Matrix, as this nerd was)
posted 11-05-2003 04:52 PM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	MATRIXIST DUH BESTEST MOVEE EFFER! YOU KNOW NOTING! MATRIX RULEZ! YOU SUCK! MATRIX REVOLUTIONEYES THE WORLD! ITS BEST MOVYE ALL TIME! Not that I've seen it. But based on what you and Dr. Lao have said tonight, I think I'll avoid it till it comes out on TV where I can record it, then watch it in fast forward just to see how it ends. Thanks for the warning!
posted 11-05-2003 06:21 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Sean, no matter how you felt about the film, ruining it for someone else is not cool. Frankly I'm tired of people opening their yap during the picture. It's disrespectful. Ryan
posted 11-05-2003 08:12 PM PT (US)

Bond1965 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: Sean, no matter how you felt about the film, ruining it for someone else is not cool. Frankly I'm tired of people opening their yap during the picture. It's disrespectful. Ryan Even during "Showgirls?" James
posted 11-05-2003 08:30 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	I think you'd have to worry about other things in a screening of SHOWGIRLS. Like why the floor is sticky. Ryan
posted 11-05-2003 09:19 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Do people drool that much when they laugh in Canada? LOL.
posted 11-05-2003 09:37 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Like, take a hike, eh! Ryan
posted 11-06-2003 12:52 AM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	YOu can always, positively confirm that with every Matrix film, there'll always be people who won't understand what it is about and pan it for that fact alone. And there'll also be people who will hype up their expectation to the point that nothing can match it, get disappointed in the end, and pan it. BAH! Lame! Note: I'll also be seeing this again on Imax this Sunday.
posted 11-06-2003 01:20 AM PT (US)

sean Standard Userer	Hey Ryan, I don't talk through films, because I know how annoying that can be. But, if my reaction to what's happening on screen is to laugh (like watching Ben Affliction in Pearl Harbour), than that is what it is, and if someone has different feelings about it, than too bad; if they're reaction is to cry and mine is to laugh, that's just the way it is. Talking during a film, though, is disrespectful. I didn't really have any expectations with this movie, like The Matrix Reloaded, as well. The only thing I knew about it was that it HAD a cool score, and of course, that myth was debunked by the film. I get the feeling that after watching all three of these Matrix movies, that there never were any plans for sequels (I mean, of course, it was in the background), and nothing serious had been made ready to do so; it seems like these are forced-to-be-made films, because of the original's success, which is actually not a bad movie. Joel Silver can talk all he wants about ther grand scheme to make a trilogy, but I have a hard time believing him. Very funny, Peter. I'm guessing that Canada joke was for me. [Message edited by sean on 11-06-2003]
posted 11-06-2003 08:33 AM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: YOu can always, positively confirm that with every Matrix film, there'll always be people who won't understand what it is about and pan it for that fact alone. And there'll also be people who will hype up their expectation to the point that nothing can match it, get disappointed in the end, and pan it. BAH! Lame! Note: I'll also be seeing this again on Imax this Sunday. There will also be people who understand perfectly well what it's about, think that the cod-mythology is a load of ridiculous garbage, be disappointed that everything that made the first film so good is absent from the sequels (apart from music!) and get rather fed up of being told how stupid they are for "not getting it". Hey, it's a film - some people like it and some don't. Great! But it strikes me that the people who accuse us "non-believers" of being stupid would do well to possibly get themselves a girl or boyfriend and stop obsessing so much. It's only a film!
posted 11-06-2003 01:19 PM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: YOu can always, positively confirm that with every Matrix film, there'll always be people who won't understand what it is about and pan it for that fact alone. And there'll also be people who will hype up their expectation to the point that nothing can match it, get disappointed in the end, and pan it. BAH! Lame! I am in agreement with HadrianD.
posted 11-06-2003 02:13 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Southall: There will also be people who understand perfectly well what it's about, think that the cod-mythology is a load of ridiculous garbage, be disappointed that everything that made the first film so good is absent from the sequels (apart from music!) and get rather fed up of being told how stupid they are for "not getting it". Hey, it's a film - some people like it and some don't. Great! But it strikes me that the people who accuse us "non-believers" of being stupid would do well to possibly get themselves a girl or boyfriend and stop obsessing so much. It's only a film! I'll be the first to admit that when I was watching the sequels, I missed having the same "awe" that engulfed me in the original movie. But because the purpose behind the sequels was to explore the matrix and the real world, while providing an ending to the seies, I enjoyed it. I knew that there were no way they would be able to surpass the thrills, but rather expand upon it, hence the burly brawl and super burly brawl, my expectation were met and exceeded in seeing the result. The philosophical content were only the other half of this grand two-part movie sequel. It is like stretching the philosophic portion into two part, instead of having it all be condensed like the first movie had it. That's totally understandable becuase the sequels are all about THE FIGHT! It weren't about the exposition and getting the viewers into this new world. Reloaded and Revolution is about the fight, to win, to achieve a final resolution, and to end the cycle. And on our way, we learn what NEO and SMITH is ultimately about, a dynamic duo of opposites.... Never mind. The creators made a series that told their vision. It can suck in many eyes, but that doesn't make it suck. Any film is neutral in it's approach to the audience, allowing them to feel certain ways and react to it in certain ways. The first movie set a precedent, true, but Reloaded were meant to explore the precedents and setup Revolution and Revolution, in turn, lead to the end. Different expectations had to be set or else, you'd never be satisfy with the result. I proudly say that I understood what the goal and purpose of the movies was about (not talking about understand subtext or the religious underpinning and what not)and I thoroughly enjoyed myself. That's what I meant in my original post. I'm not accusing people of any level of intelligence here. I'm perhaps obsessed over the fact that people should know better already and just think before offending me and my girlfriend by telling me that I have no girlfriend. It's only a film, you don't have to get personal, you know...
posted 11-06-2003 03:54 PM PT (US)

Southall Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by HadrianD: I'm not accusing people of any level of intelligence here. I'm perhaps obsessed over the fact that people should know better already and just think before offending me and my girlfriend by telling me that I have no girlfriend. It's only a film, you don't have to get personal, you know... Sorry for my silly words... they were more directed at people in the other thread who irritated me greatly by saying how stupid I was rather than you, whose arguments were intelligent and measured. My apologies.
posted 11-07-2003 12:34 AM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	That is silly. Responding to other people in another thread in this thread. If one can't follow and respond to the correct thread on an internet message board how are we to take your criticisms of three complex movies seriously?
posted 11-07-2003 12:43 PM PT (US)

JeffBond Standard Userer	One of the problems for me is I felt I learned practically nothing else about the Matrix other than it was good for car chases and kung fu fights. And if the last movie's about the fight, I think they completely lost track of what they were fighting FOR--i.e., the lost souls in the Matrix who are barely referred to after the first film. In fact, EVERY person/program the crew encounters in the matrix after the first movie knows who Neo and everyone else is and what they can do so the sense of awe and mystery is gone. I guess that's unavoidable but the second two movies are so sucked dry of any interesting drama or characters that I really felt like I was marking time in there. I'm pleased to be able to learn more about Gnostic philosophy but there has to be something beyond that and great special effects to pull me through a movie. I just did not care about any of these people, particularly everyone involved in the damn battle for Zion. I mean seriously--"The Kid"?!? That's who I'm supposed to be rooting for during the battle for Zion? Once the fight starts we are reduced to watching five uninteresting characters and you barely get a sense that there are thousands of people involved in this battle. The Animatrix stories were far, far more interesting than anything in these past two movies. Filming any of those stories, even the more intimate ones, would have held my attention much more than this bloated mega-video game action. But that's just me...
posted 11-07-2003 02:22 PM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	I am starting to see a trend in Message Board posts (be it a movie, music, book, comic books etc.) on several different sites. And here is no different. I don't believe true fans actually post. I read so many unconvincing, hateful, bashing, arguments against things it makes me wonder why anyone bothers coming. I find the arogence in these types of posts not only amusing but frightfully arogent. Here are some numbers to maybe explain more of what i mean. Revolutions made $35,315,000 on its opening day. Now figuring tickets cost on the average about 8 bucks thats 4,414,375 people that saw the movie on Wednessday. Assuming that 10% of the people that saw the movie hated it that still means almost 4 million people enjoyed the movie. And yet when I go surf the internet I mostly see negative reviews. So that 10% that hated the movie went home to their favorite message board and started bashing away. Not a fair cross section of the movie going public. I know this is far from a complete sociological, and or statistical deduction. But it leads me to believe that the more bitter, critical, and synical people are the more likely they are to post on a message board. I'm not sure if it makes them feel good about themeselves or smarter then other people. But I feel safe in saying that the opinions of message board posters are slightly skewed and far from reliable in instances such as these.
posted 11-07-2003 03:09 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Dave: Here are some numbers to maybe explain more of what i mean. Revolutions made $35,315,000 on its opening day. Now figuring tickets cost on the average about 8 bucks thats 4,414,375 people that saw the movie on Wednessday. Assuming that 10% of the people that saw the movie hated it that still means almost 4 million people enjoyed the movie. And yet when I go surf the internet I mostly see negative reviews. So that 10% that hated the movie went home to their favorite message board and started bashing away. Not a fair cross section of the movie going public. I know this is far from a complete sociological, and or statistical deduction. But it leads me to believe that the more bitter, critical, and synical people are the more likely they are to post on a message board. I'm not sure if it makes them feel good about themeselves or smarter then other people. But I feel safe in saying that the opinions of message board posters are slightly skewed and far from reliable in instances such as these. I'm a statistician, and believe me, it counts for nothing when people hate a film as much as they hate Revolutions.
posted 11-07-2003 09:22 PM PT (US)

Hornerfan Standard Userer	I really think everyone hates REVOLUTIONS because they forget that it's half of a larger whole. You have to remember most everything important, particularlly key spoken lines (by the Oracle and especially the Architect) to fully follow what Neo is trying to do. As a result, everyone doesn't 'get it', and therefore hates the movie. Either that, or they got their hopes up so astronomically high that, no matter how good the movies were, they'd be let down. The Wachowski's wanted to make a thinking man's sci-fi trilogy, and I fully believe, after seeing the movies, that they fully achieved what they set out to do. Mike
posted 11-07-2003 09:54 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	Just a slight correction to Dave's post. Revolutions made $24,311,365 on it's opening day. The $35,314,846 number is Wednesday and Thursday combined. Kirk NP - Music for 18 Musicians, Steve Reich (Revolutions is a very draining album) [Message edited by James on 11-08-2003]
posted 11-08-2003 02:18 AM PT (US)

Dave Standard Userer	Thanks James I just grabed that number from the movies.yahoo.com site. [Message edited by Dave on 11-08-2003]
posted 11-08-2003 01:19 PM PT (US)

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