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Topic: The last samourai soundclips

Fabulafr

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Hi, the internet site of the lastsamourai http://lastsamurai.warnerbros.com/html_index.php finally put 3 soundclips of the last composition of Hans ZimmeR.As usual, it seems this guy works best with great story and great movies (i hope).
It sounds good to me. Some link to Gladiator battle music but the quiet themes are much more interesting. I must admit i'm more pleased with 90 seconds of this one than 2 hours of the last two or three moviemusic he made.
I hope the rest of the soundtrack will be like that.
posted 11-03-2003 12:29 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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I like it. I like Hans in his quiet moment. The action cue has shades of Gladiator but that's not a bad thing. It's a phase. There's a buildup cue in there that I really like. I'll buy this for sure.
posted 11-03-2003 12:54 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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Yeah, sounds very cool.
posted 11-03-2003 02:12 PM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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Sounds very promosing!
NP-Silverado (Broughton)posted 11-03-2003 04:01 PM PT (US) 
zimmerito
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I'm a very Zimmer fan.It's my favourite composer.
After the last zimmer's works,Last samurai is my last hope.I hope that Zimmer returns to Prince of egypt or peacemaker.Zimmer tunes,real orchestra and some good synths.
But this 3 clips sounds like Pirates of caribean with oriental elements.
All the samplers playig at the same time.is a very "heavy "sound.THIS IS A ZIMMER WORK!not badelt,or jablonsky....
Please zimmer back to real orchestra chorus and other elements like peacemaker,prince of egypt or beyond rangoon.
Well at least this clips sounds like media ventures styele,and not other extrange expermient from zimmer.
I hope at least a50 minuts composeds and arrangeds by zimmer.
Very disapointed with this sound so "demo".
Zimmer you one of the most importants composers in hollywood.Can you get your time to compose an score?
Real orchestra!no spirit(i like tunes) or pirates of caribean sound!!!!
posted 11-04-2003 10:17 AM PT (US) 
zimmerito
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HI again...
3 Questions:
1-http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/article.asp?ID=181Western melodies?Like spirit?ehehe lol
Taiko Synths?buaaaaa...zimmer zimmer...2-
In the offical site there are a new intro.Is the music by zimmer?
http://lastsamurai.warnerbros.com/home.php3-
And I put here the link of the label record. The cover is horribleSeeu
[Message edited by PeterK on 11-14-2003]
posted 11-08-2003 06:47 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

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Yeuch.It really bugs me when film studios do away with stylish posters in favour of plastering close-ups of the star's face on the cover.
The previous poster, with Cruise giving his back to the camera, was much more stylish. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325710/posters
Ah well, same old rant.
[Message edited by Camillu on 11-08-2003]
posted 11-08-2003 06:55 AM PT (US) 
rkeaveney

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FYI the cover art on the OST is the final one-sheet design for THE LAST SAMURAI.Ryan
posted 11-08-2003 12:00 PM PT (US) 
Dave

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I agree with you guys. As a graphic designer that cover is pretty bad. I'm not a fan of movie posters that 'have to have' the acters head take up 50% or more of the poster/cd cover. It feels like lazy design and your selling Tom Cruise and not the actual movie itself. I would have seen this movie with an unknown actor in it...NOT becuase Tom Cruise is in it. I also find the use of the large Japanese symbols glaringly out of place. They look like they were put there with just a fleeting thought. And since I would say most of the public that will see that cover CANT read the symbols they are wasted elements.But other then that. I am excited to see what Zimmer can pull out of his hat this Christmas.
posted 11-08-2003 01:27 PM PT (US) 
plindboe

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I'm rarely excited about upcoming scores. But with this one I'm really looking forward to the release. My favorite Zimmer is "Beyond Rangoon", and these sound clips very much remind me of it. I think especially the third theme will be great when heard in full. Beautiful stuff.Peter

posted 11-09-2003 12:17 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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Cinescape posted up a small article about it with some quotes from Hans himself...I'll just post the whole thing...
quote:
ZIMMER’S LAST SAMURAI
On November 25, 2003, Elektra Records will release Hans Zimmer's score from THE LAST SAMURAI, an epic action drama starring Tom Cruise. The film marks a career milestone for Zimmer: his 100th film score. A pioneer in the use of synthesizers, digital instruments, and the latest computer technology, Zimmer is widely considered to be the father of integrating electronic sound with traditional orchestral arrangements. Set in Japan during the 1870s, THE LAST SAMURAI tells the story of an American military officer hired by the Emperor of Japan to train the country's army in the art of modern warfare.
"The first obstacle I faced with this score was that Japanese music can be truly inaccessible to most Western audiences," explained Zimmer. "So I needed to immerse Cruise’s Algren character into this foreign world to such a degree that it ultimately becomes his home. The key to this was a concept I formed right at the beginning of the project: writing Western melodies informed by a Japanese aesthetic, to find a way of contrasting the romanticism of America with the formality and stillness of Japan. So I wrote a typically overblown, restless, and, ultimately, very Western theme for Algren; but one that also develops alongside the character as he’s drawn towards Katzumoto’s peaceful themes concerning power and nature."
To highlight the formality of Japanese culture in his score, Zimmer makes great use of the large, wooden Japanese Taiko drum. "Everybody uses Taikos in their scores these days, but I felt that nobody had ever really captured their awesome and emotional power. For example, when you stand next to someone who hits an enormous Taiko with something resembling a baseball bat, your whole ribcage expands from the shear size of the sound; but if you tap them lightly, it’s like thunder rolling down a valley." To achieve these sonic qualities for the film, Zimmer turned to electronics: "I spent three weeks recording and manipulating around 10,000 Taiko hits electronically until they started to sound natural, and then selected the best ones by their emotional resonance. The whole process of molding and sculpting these sounds in my studio was very LAST SAMURAI, and I think it’s best summed up by Kazumoto himself in the movie, that you can spend your life looking for a perfect cherry-blossom and it wouldn’t be a wasted life."
posted 11-14-2003 02:01 AM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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Oh yeah.... Is it just me or is there a new cue playing during the intro?
posted 11-14-2003 02:10 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Just finished listening through this CD for the 4th or 5th time, just to make sure I didn't miss much. This would be an awesome score had Zimmer done what he said he would do in those quotes up there, but he didn't. This music is a simple pastiche of elements heard in Gladiator, Thin Red Line and the Japanese "music" heard in Pearl Harbor. The album is very slow-moving, which is ironic. There are more "action" photos in the liner notes than there are "action" cues on the CD. One would think this would be full of action, say, like a Gladiator score. The only unique quality in the score was the sound of clashing swords as a percussion hit, really cool... but didn't last nearly long enough on the CD. Zimmer fans will be happy with the CD. Nothing new here, though, and again, surprisingly slow moving.
posted 11-14-2003 08:08 AM PT (US) 
Bond1965

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quote:
Originally posted by HadrianD:
A pioneer in the use of synthesizers, digital instruments, and the latest computer technology, Zimmer is widely considered to be the father of integrating electronic sound with traditional orchestral arrangements.
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WHAT THE HELL??? So now Zimmer is the "father" of electronics with an orchestra??? I think you have a ton of REAL composers who did this years before "Video Killed the Radio Star" or in this case MV killed the film music score.And YES I'm being biased. So THERE.
James
FYI...I preferred Hans when he wasn't a corporation.
posted 11-14-2003 10:36 AM PT (US) 
Dinko

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That 'Father' thing is a fairly ridiculous statement.What's even more annoying is what Peter is saying. I was kind of hoping this might be a good old Zimmer score, instead it sounds like it's just more of Zimmer's recent poop.
posted 11-14-2003 11:18 AM PT (US) 
zimmerito
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PeterK If you have the cd can you put the track list and the running time please?
Thanks
posted 11-14-2003 12:14 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Tracklist and total running time:
http://www.moviemusic.com/CD/lastsamurai.htmlBest action track with the clashing sword effect is "Red Warrior," one of the shorter tracks. Has interesting vocal that scares the heebeejeebee outta you if you aren't ready for it. The first and last two tracks are about eight minutes each, the rest average five minutes each... and they all quietly crossfade into each other.
[Message edited by PeterK on 11-14-2003]
posted 11-14-2003 12:24 PM PT (US) 
zimmerito
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All the traks are by zimmer?
The music is composed and arranged by zimmer?
There are aditionals?
The score has a good theme?Real orchestra?Chorus?lisa gerard?
Has a old zimmer touch?
sorry for all the questions.And thanks!
Now searching in filetopia eheh
posted 11-14-2003 12:29 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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quote:
Originally posted by Dinko:
I was kind of hoping this might be a good old Zimmer score, instead it sounds like it's just more of Zimmer's recent poop.I agree with the former but, hopefully, it's not gonna be like the latter.
posted 11-14-2003 02:21 PM PT (US) 
sean

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Peter! Put up sounds clips for this score immediately! Thank you! (especially Red Warrior!)
posted 11-14-2003 02:44 PM PT (US) 
sean

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Peter, are there any moments in this score that are heroic in the action, like the sparse but powerful ones in Gladiator? And what parts are like The Thin Red Line? A "Journey to the Line" theme? He did that earlier this year with Matchstick Men.
posted 11-14-2003 06:02 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

Sean, there a few heroic action Gladiator moments... last minute of track 2 is one of them. Only thing is it's not as good as the Gladiator stuff.The Thin Red Line-type music is heard mostly when Cruise is being shaped by the Samurai leader Kazamoto. He's the peaceful spirit... the powerful one. The music has a heavy calmness. Much of the album is like this.
Zimmerito, all of this music is by Zimmer, although in the liner notes he thanks every one of the Media Ventures teammates. The main theme is huge, heard by itself in sampled orchestral glory in "Taken," and again in "Red Warrior" with the sword clash and scary vocals (they are credited as "Navajo vocals" oddly enough), and eventually the Taiko drums. There are soloists, but nothing to the extent of a Lisa Gerrard-type collaboration seen in Gladiator.
I laugh everytime I hear the shakuhachi, only because Horner used it in every other Ed Zwick film... this time the instrument really does have purpose and "fits," but... but... it cried wolf too many times before, so its effect is lessened. For me, anyway. Thankfully it's not used too much.
Huge huge huge Taiko percussion at the end of "Ronin," but it doesn't last very long.
There's a good build-up of action in the first few minutes of "The Way of the Sword," which eventually gives way to that heavy, slow-rhythmic sampled strings & sampled horns stuff (Hans' meat and potatoes) heard in Thin Red Line... the high dream-like strings from TRL are also in this track... it's as if this is an outtake from TRL.
Anyway, Zimmer-clones will enjoy this CD. I still don't see how the movie is going to do so well - do people really want to see Tom Cruise save the Samurai tradition? It's almost insulting to the Samurai.... Eh, good luck Tom.
posted 11-14-2003 08:41 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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I guess you can expect most, if not all, of the action material to be handled by Geoff Zanelli.
posted 11-14-2003 09:27 PM PT (US) 
sean

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Thanks for the lo-down, Peter! Now, I want sound clips of the best parts you described! lol .... pulllllllleeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz!I too am confused with this need to glorify Imperial Japan. Didn't they do their worst in Pearl Harbour? Like all the Japanese actors (according to the subtitles) speak in haiku and meet outside with funny pools full of toy ships and flags that are a hundred years out of date! On top of that, they aren't evil enough ... like, feeling queesy about bombing Pearl? (the worst had already happened in China) Please! Back to Tom Cruise: I saw a hilarious interview with him on ABC tonight (at least I think it was ABC); I forgot he was one of those weird scientologists!
S.
NP: Outkast ("Good Day, Good Sir")
[Message edited by sean on 11-14-2003]
posted 11-14-2003 09:39 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

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quote:
Originally posted by sean:
! Back to Tom Cruise: I saw a hilarious interview with him on ABC tonight (at least I think it was ABC); I forgot he was one of those weird scientologists!It was Dateline on NBC. I don't know what people have against Scientology, really. I mean, what's wrong with Orthodox Christian anyway.

posted 11-14-2003 10:11 PM PT (US) 
zimmerito
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Thanks PeterK.
Now I think that this new zimmer score disapointed me...again.
I like the new music from the intro(i don't know if is in the cd) but the clips of the web are very bad music.
Action music ,real orchestra...Zimmer you never could be "normal composer"?
At least are 60 minuts composeds by zimmer,this is historical,a record!eheh
I want this cd now!!
NP:Beoynd rangoond and black rain expanded
posted 11-15-2003 02:32 AM PT (US) 
mlw
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So, Zimmer is now speaking for both "inaccessible" Japanese musicians as well as "Western audiences"? How droll. The ever-trendy Zimmer co.posted 11-18-2003 02:12 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
