Looks like this series is going out with class, in no small part due to Don Davis' music, the best of the trilogy!

I am very much looking forward to hear that cue and am very pleased and happy to hear that Neodämmeung wasn't the very best the score will have to offer!

The only thing that bothers me a lot (that's why I've chose the thumb-down icon ) is the apparently bad mastering yet again! http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a9600106/images/bad_mastering_rev.jpg
Here you can clearly see the desastrously pour mixing of Neodämmerung for example which explains the hiss of the track i.e. at around the 1:20 minute mark...

Yet Again, after the terrible Reloaded-Suite sound, this brain-amputated sound-mixer at Maverick-Reckords seems to manage to ruin an ingenious score highlight ..

I hope to get the promotional release some day which will then provide, just like the promo of Reloaded does, a far superiour and clear perfect sound!

Regards

Markuz

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Markuz - how can you determine the quality of a piece of music when it's a compressed MP3? I'm sure that the samples on Maverick's site are 128 kbps at best -- certainly not good enough to judge the original quality of the recording.

Ryan

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Because of the bad mastering of the previous Album this label produced! It had the same problem, the same visual symptoms seen here on the picture I posted above on the sample analysis of the mp3.
Maybe the actual sound of the CD might be slightly better than the one of this 128-mp3, but the very general problem, the sound-editor at Maverick-Reckords, obviously remains ...

Regards

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Let me tell you that the sound is a helluva lot better on the OST. The disc I am playing right now sounds fantastic, and I have the Maverick samples to compare. The OST is brighter, crisper and is free from that slushy distortion that mp3s suffer from.

Ryan

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Thanks, that is fantastic to hear! I hope so very much that you're right, believe me!

On the other hand I see that sample-analysis of the mp3, and while mp3's might suffer a bit under compression and cause worse sound-quality, those visual symptoms, the volume at the very top causing loss of dynamic, can't so easily be taken as the result of that process of conversion I fear...

Best Regards

Markuz

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
You thought you'd hear the best stuff on Maverick's website? Uh-uh, my friends. Think "Neodammerung" is as epic as this score gets? Wait until you check out the track which follows it, "Why, Mr. Anderson". Big!

Looks like this series is going out with class, in no small part due to Don Davis' music, the best of the trilogy!

Ryan

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Yes it does.

Ryan

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
The first review of Davis' REVOLUTIONS is now online... Try to catch it if you can... Server has been spotty all day... Over.
http://www.cinemusic.net/reviews/2003/matrix_revolutions.html

Ryan

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
The first review of Davis' REVOLUTIONS is now online... Try to catch it if you can... Server has been spotty all day... Over.
http://www.cinemusic.net/reviews/2003/matrix_revolutions.html

Ryan

Well theres also this one.... http://www.soundtrack-express.com/osts/matrixrevolutions.htm <HR size=1>

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And this one:
http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/review.asp?ID=1856

mikael

How do you comment on this statement here from the review on cinemusic.net? Apparently you were not right concerning the sound:

"Unfortunately, the album has still been mastered with the "everything loud" mentality. This is perfectly fine for listening while in the car, but some of the subtlety of the dynamics during the action cues has been lost from the ridiculous amount of compression applied. This same problem, where the quiet moments were pushed up, and the loud parts pushed back to even out the dynamics, was a major annoyance in Reloaded, and has been carried onto Revolutions, though not as extreme."

Just like I said, the same dumb mixer causes the (nearly) same horrible sound-quality?! That really sucks!!

Regards

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@rkeaveney:
How do you comment on this statement here from the review on cinemusic.net? Apparently you were not right concerning the sound:

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Markuz:
[b]@rkeaveney:
How do you comment on this statement here from the review on cinemusic.net? Apparently you were not right concerning the sound:
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He didn't write the review. [/B]

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Of course he did not, but he told us that the sound would be OK and annoyed me somehow a bit for pointing that out here public while that quote clearly responds to that statement

Regards

The OST is brighter, crisper and is free from that slushy distortion that mp3s suffer from.

I prefer scores that are mastered loud. Who really thinks UNBREAKABLE sounds fantastic as it hums away almost incomprehensible in it's low volume, only to smash your stereo with a blasting stinger? I prefer to hear the music without riding the volume control.

I wasn't wrong -- I gave an opinion. If you have a problem with the Maverick album, then don't buy it and wait until you get your hands on the "promo".

Ryan

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Markuz -- your original post complained about the sound quality, and you provide an analysis of a mid-quality MP3 as evidence. I wrote:

The OST is brighter, crisper and is free from that slushy distortion that mp3s suffer from.

I prefer scores that are mastered loud. Who really thinks UNBREAKABLE sounds fantastic as it hums away almost incomprehensible in it's low volume, only to smash your stereo with a blasting stinger? I prefer to hear the music without riding the volume control.

I wasn't wrong -- I gave an opinion. If you have a problem with the Maverick album, then don't buy it and wait until you get your hands on the "promo".

Ryan

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In this case we don't share the same opinion, and as the Maverick-Album will be the only source for the Don Davis-Junior-Collaboration-Tracks and I intend to support Davis' great achievment, I've already preordered it a long time ago

And my mp3-sample evidence is absolutely valid if you reconsider my arguments. As I said, the visual symptoms of the sound-damage I discussed are not affected by the mp3-compression process.

And if you prefer CDs that are mastered loud with no dynamic sound and an unorganic synthetic feel, you'll probably dislike concerts either? I mean, that's just the original natural sound, why should one alter it? But that's a question of personal taste of course

Regards

The Juno Reactor tracks are part of Don Davis' score. So why wouldn't they be included in the "promo". They were included in the RELOADED "promo" (though Davis' original "Burly Brawl" is substituted for the film version).

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No, I don't like CDs with concert sound either (a la the PSYCHO re-recording, etc.). I prefer the dry sound of a studio recording. And I want it loud so I can hear the damn thing when I'm pushing my poor Jetta at 140km per hour!!

The Juno Reactor tracks are part of Don Davis' score. So why wouldn't they be included in the "promo". They were included in the RELOADED "promo" (though Davis' original "Burly Brawl" is substituted for the film version).

Ryan

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So, I guess the mixing is perfect for listening to it while driving, that's right Maybe another reason for purchasing the album, so that I have a regular sounding promo and a car-suitable version *g* ...

Mhh... I've already seen a tracklisting for the 2CD-Set, and there was no Navras, maybe because up to that time (appr. one and a half months ago) it wasn't finished?

Regards

It's a truly fantastic score. Davis uses pretty much every motivic idea he's had throughout the films, only here everything is far more epic. There is more peril, the stakes are much higher, and all the music has been elevated to a biblical level. If the last act of this film matches the scope of the music that accompanies it, it may very well make up for the wretched mess that was THE MATRIX RELOADED (the film, not the score). I was trying very hard not to get my expectations for the movie too high, as happened with the previous outing, but Don Davis has gone and ruined it for me. I'm squealing in anticipation now.

Anyway, it's a great score. As others have said, if you haven't warmed up to the MATRIX scores already, this probably won't convert you. But anyone who liked the previous scores is in for an awesome experience. It is now more certain than ever (at least to me) that Davis is one of the most brilliant and significant composers working in films today.

The listening experience comes off as extremely monotone because of the sonics.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
I didn't know mono recordings were still produced in 2003. This disc sounds like AM radio. Ok, two highly exaggerated remarks.
But everything Chris Tilton mentioned in his review is true about the sound.

The listening experience comes off as extremely monotone because of the sonics.

I don't like excessive sonic extremes and ridiculously high dynamics, but this thing is on the other side of the spectrum. Even the latest Barbra Streisand album has better sound with richer textures and wider sonic range. Seriously!

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Unfortunately, you're so absolutely right! The Mixer who already worked for the Reloaded-Album hasn't learned anything, the sound is really dull and completely unappropriate for an ochestral score.

It's a shame that such things do happen to the best scores of the year ..

My question is:
Why did Don Davis let this happen???! He was obviously an executive producer of the album, so why didn't he warrant the adequate sound?
Mhh... still wondering 'bout that...
At least we should be grateful for the huge amount of music we got on this album!

Regards