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    Topic:   Your thoughts of Shirley Walker's "Final Destination" scores

     Dylan
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    Hello,

    I just saw the film "Willard" yesterday (read my review in the OCTOBER thread located on the JUST MOVIES area of the website), and Walker's brilliant Herrmannesque score made an enormous impression on me. I suddenly remembered what an excellent composer she was.

    I visited Ryan Keaveny's website (walker.filmmusic.com) and discovered the expressively haunting Main Title theme from "Final Destination." I would love to hear opinions of this score, and it's sequel score, from members. If you can also describe some of the thematic development in both scores, then I would also enjoy reading that, as I believe that her "Final Destination" theme is potential of great thematic development.

    And here's hoping Shirley Walker will compose another score very soon! She is a vastly underused genius.

    Best Regards,
    Dylan

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    posted 10-12-2003 03:21 PM PT (US)     

     La La Land Records
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    <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Dylan:
    Hello,

    I just saw the film "Willard" yesterday (read my review in the OCTOBER thread located on the JUST MOVIES area of the website), and Walker's brilliant Herrmannesque score made an enormous impression on me. I suddenly remembered what an excellent composer she was.

    I visited Ryan Keaveny's website (walker.filmmusic.com) and discovered the expressively haunting Main Title theme from "Final Destination." I would love to hear opinions of this score, and it's sequel score, from members. If you can also describe some of the thematic development in both scores, then I would also enjoy reading that, as I believe that her "Final Destination" theme is potential of great thematic development.

    And here's hoping Shirley Walker will compose another score very soon! She is a vastly underused genius.

    Best Regards,
    Dylan
    <HR size=1></blockquote>

    Walker is an amazing composer who is sorely unrepresented on CD. The reason: EVERYTHING SHE DOES IS RECORDED IN LA!

    La La Land would release her scores to Willard and the Final Destination films in a millisecond if it weren't for the high re-use fees.

    SIGH. Hopefully one day those scores will see the light of day.

    BTW, her Space: Above and Beyond is some of the best music ever recorded for a TV show.

    MV Gerhard

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    posted 10-12-2003 04:10 PM PT (US)     

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    Hi Dylan -- Shirley's FINAL DESTINATION scores are really fantastic. The first is a bit more of a traditional thriller, the second adds more contemporary drum rythms to the mix. The five-note theme is deceptively simple -- it does the trick in each of it's many variations.

    The Shirley Walker website will be updated soon (I know it's been a long time!) with clips from WILLARD and FINAL DESTINATION 2, plus samples from Shirley's chamber music piece commissioned by Pacific Serenades.

    Ryan

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    posted 10-12-2003 05:06 PM PT (US)     

     Dylan
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    Hello,

    Thank you both for the comments. MV, I'm off to listen to the "Space, Above and Beyond" clips at Ryan's website.

    And Ryan, you're somebody who knows Shirley Walker personally, so of course I'm pleased that you responded. And naturally, I'm very much looking forward to your site update.

    Have you heard the scores Walker composed with Richard Band? "The Dungeonmaster" and "Ghoulies," both are really excellent scores (especially the magical and scheming "Ghoulies"). Someday, it would be interesting to hear anecdotes from her about working with Band on those scores.

    Is there anybody else on the boards who has heard the Final Destination scores?

    Dylan

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    posted 10-13-2003 12:34 AM PT (US)     

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    I really like Final Destination. It's isolated on the dvd also. Runs about 65 min. in length. I like the simple theme. Kind of haunting. Final Destination 2 is also a good score, but (in my opinion) not quite as good as the first. But very well done still. If you like Walker, you should pick up the dvd of Final Destination. There's also good commentary from her as well.

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    posted 10-13-2003 08:27 AM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    How about before those we get Batman: The Animate series scores first.

    Having both FD scores myself I can say the first one deserved a release.
    The second has some good cues.
    Might make a good double CD.

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    posted 10-13-2003 09:29 AM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    Walker is very underrated. She has real talent and it seems she is ignored to an extent. I sometimes call her the female Goldsmith.

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    posted 10-13-2003 09:53 AM PT (US)     

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    While the FINAL DESTINATION scores are good, they are not, by any means, Walker's best work. I bestow that title upon BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM. It is truly astounding how many themes she wrote for that film. MEMOIRS OF AN INVISIBLE MAN is also very good.

    However, I am in full agreement about WILLARD. The main titles are simply incredible and I loved the Herrmannesque touches.

    I also look forward to the site update.

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    posted 10-13-2003 10:26 AM PT (US)     

     Jeff78
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    I've got to hear her scores for for both Final Destination films and Willard..and out of all three, I think Willard is the best.

    Jeff

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    posted 10-13-2003 05:13 PM PT (US)     

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    Walker's scores are damned good. Her commentary for the first Final Destination dvd is priceless.

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    posted 10-14-2003 02:36 PM PT (US)     

     Dylan
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    Willard is an absolutely marvelous score, SBD. I believe it's the best score of the year so far, and the best film of the year (from the ones I've seen).

    I'll keep my eyes peeled as far as the unreleased market goes for the "Final Destination" scores (and other scores of Shirley's that haven't been released). Here's hoping the next one will get officially released.

    And Ryan, have you heard Shirley's work with composer Richard Band? Great stuff.

    Dylan

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    posted 10-14-2003 09:04 PM PT (US)     

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    Dylan, I was going to buy the GHOULIES/GHOULIES 2 DVD the other day, but the movies are so bad I don't think I could stomach them. I remember the score for the first film being a highpoint when I caught some of it on latenight cable one night.

    Ryan

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    posted 10-14-2003 09:38 PM PT (US)     

     Jeron
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    LOL, here's an entertaining review from amazon.com:

    quote:

    Ghoulies are some pimps, September 25, 2003
    Reviewer: Matthew Davis from Detroit, MI
    I LOVE THESE LITTLE BASTARDS!
    reasons you should love them 2?

    1.The green one bites some guys ass on the toilet
    2.um... The green one bites some guys ass on the toilet
    3.They like to party

    this is a good movie to wach drunk or stoned of ya rocker
    hillarious
    thats all I give this dvd a 4 out a 5


    I had completely forgotten what "Ghoulies" was about, but as soon as I saw the artwork, I remembered. I saw the toilet sequence when I was about 6 or 7 years old. That scared the bejeepers out of me. Of course, now it's just silly.

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    posted 10-14-2003 10:16 PM PT (US)     

     Dylan
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    The first "Ghoulies" is a pretty good film until about thirty or forty minutes in, then it becomes unbelievably bad and unwatchable. The score by Band and Walker is magnificent though, and it's worth watching the movie to hear the score. It's THAT good (IMO).

    The second one is better than the first. The synth score by Fuzzbee Morse is decent (though it doesn't come remotely close to Band and Walker's orchestral score for the first), and the puppet effects (this time including stop-motion animation!), acting, and everything else is better than the first.

    I never watch any of these films anymore, except for select scenes from the first Ghoulies with the wonderful score, but I liked them when I was little.

    Dylan

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    posted 10-15-2003 02:50 PM PT (US)     

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    Shirely is one of my favorites. I've got nearly every score of hers, including Final Destination and the sequal.

    Great stuff.

    Joe

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    posted 10-16-2003 12:06 PM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    Hey, if you got her wonderful, unreleased treasures to Batman: The Animated Series, feel free to e-mail me.

    Think I'll pop in Willard again. Everyone just kept bringing it up again and again and now I just have the urge.

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    posted 10-16-2003 03:14 PM PT (US)     

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    Her scores to Mystery Men (Co-composed with someone I forget the name of. I think it's the Gary the Rat show composer.) and Turbulence are not that bad.

    Everyone keeps bringing up MOTP, but besides the main title, much didn't really work for me. It was spotting sounding and not very flowing. Didn't have a certain cohesiveness it could have. I still prefer her work to B: TAS. And still am awaiting a e-mail from Bats up there. I'm ever the Joker aren't I? It's okay, you can laugh later.

    Didn't she also do some of the Superman animated series?

    Now that I am rambling, when will we ever see a CD release, or 2, or 3 of B: TAS, or Justice League?

    If B: TAS CD does happen, right off the bat I hope it has "Last Laugh" and "Feat Of Clay" on it. My personal favorites among many favorites.

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    posted 10-29-2003 12:19 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by justin boggan:
    Her scores to [b]Mystery Men (Co-composed with someone I forget the name of. I think it's the Gary the Rat show composer.) and Turbulence are not that bad.[/B]

    The story of MYSTERY MEN's score is an interesting one. Stephen Warbeck (fresh off his Oscar win for SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE) was hired to do the score. Before the film's release, Shirley Walker was brought in to write additional music. From what I remember from the film and the clips at her site, she wrote the opening cue, the scene where Mr. Furious, The Shoveler and the Blue Raja try to stop the Redeyes, the team's assault on Casanova Frankenstein's limo and that wonderful moment when the team walks through the mist (if a score album was released, I would've loved for that still to be the cover). Mark Mothersbaugh (who scored "Gary the Rat" with Josh Purcell) is credited with additional music, but it's really just the source music at the old folks home before the Redeyes attack.

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    Everyone keeps bringing up MOTP, but besides the main title, much didn't really work for me. It was spotting sounding and not very flowing. Didn't have a certain cohesiveness it could have.

    You really, really ought to listen again. There's a theme present in every single cue. (I'm loathe to use the "swinging a dead cat" metaphor.)

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    I still prefer her work to [b]B: TAS.[/B]

    It's great, but just below MOTP.

    quote:
    Didn't she also do some of the Superman animated series?.

    Yes, she did, but only a handful. I really loved her theme to "The New Batman/Superman Adventures".

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    If B: TAS CD does happen, right off the bat I hope it has "Last Laugh" and "Feat Of Clay" on it. My personal favorites among many favorites.

    As well as "Mad as a Hatter", "The Laughing Fish", "Legends of the Dark Knight" and "Joker's Favor", among others.

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    posted 10-29-2003 03:55 PM PT (US)     

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    I wasn't talking about themes. MOTP has themes, sadly a number of them are just ones we heard in TAS (Not that I am complaining mind you...).

    Now that I got Walker fans here, what are Majority Rules[b] and [b]Asteroid like? Are they any good?

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