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    Topic:   Kill Bill Music and Movie

     La La Land Records
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    As an avid fan of both Japanese (not anime) and Hong Kong films I just want to say my hat is off to QT for making, quite possibly, the greatest "homage film" ever made. Truly this man LOVES the genre.

    My expectations were low going into this flick, but after the end credits rolled I couldn't help but smile with glee. Not only was I in hog heaven with the Asian cinema aspects, but that music -- that AMAZING soundtrack hand picked by this maniac -- is truly something to behold!

    The CD that was released doesn't do justice to the wonderful weaving of images and score QT has created. He uses everything from Bacalov and Morricone to Hsun Chi Chen (Master of the Flying Guillotine) and Herrmann! It was like an education to those who have not experienced Spagetti Western scores (outside of Clint films) and who have no CLUE about Samurai films and Shaw Brothers classics!

    The film is a wonder to behold. If you can find them, rent the old Shaw Brothers films like the 5 Deadly Venoms and 36th Chamber of Shaolin. Seek out the masterpiece series of Lone Wolf and Cub films. Behold the artistry of Samurai Fiction. Educate yourself in this genre and you will appreciate the insanity and pure love that went into making Kill Bill.

    February 20, 2004 can't come fast enough!

    MV Gerhard
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    posted 10-11-2003 12:30 AM PT (US)     

     HadrianD
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    I'm thinking about going to see it soon. Only one thing bother me is that the movie's story is split into two volume. Could you see this movie without needing to see the second one?

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    posted 10-11-2003 03:00 AM PT (US)     

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    No... Hell no.

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    posted 10-11-2003 03:27 AM PT (US)     

     sean
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    Hey La La, where was Morriconne used in the film? I recognized the Baclov piece from the CD and burst out laughing when I heard the Zamphir track (remembering from TV: ..."for just $20.99 you too can own the 'Zamphyr Anthology' in this unique, one-of-a-kind offer"... with Zamphir up in the Andes playing his flute; HAHAHA!)

    By the way, this film is excellent, it is Tarantino's best; I don't own any of his other films and never will, but this one's a keeper (beware: he has crazy plans for the DVD so don't waste your hard earned cash on buying the first thing that comes out, his comments from Dark Horizons sounded suspiciously like George Lucas and that Star Wars fiasco he's created with which one's to buy 'cause this one has that and the other has this! grrrr). The audience got a kick out of the Nicholas Meyer quote at the beginning from The Wrath of Khan: "Revenge is a dish best served cold." And it just got better from there... the anime was pure art, the fight choreography astounding, Sonny Chiba awesome! (The Street Fighter!)

    Hey Hadrian, why do you only wanna see the first volume? That's like watching Star Trek III and not bothering to see Star Trek IV! Lame-o!!! j/k


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    posted 10-11-2003 08:19 AM PT (US)     

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    I loved the movie, and hated it. It was really the most unique film I've seen in a long time. There is practically an entire thesis that could be written about the movie. He just needs to hold back a little bit.

    As usual, very interesting use of music (and bizarrely appropriate).

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    posted 10-11-2003 07:23 PM PT (US)     

     La La Land Records
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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Hey La La, where was Morriconne used in the film?

    Hey Hadrian, why do you only wanna see the first volume? That's like watching Star Trek III and not bothering to see Star Trek IV! Lame-o!!! j/k


    Or like watching FOTR without seeing TTT or ROTK.

    I can't recall where the Morricone piece is. At first I thought the Zamphir piece was his. I'll most likely see the film again this weekend. When I do I'll pay closer attention.

    BTW, if I'm not mistaken the Master of the Flying Guillotine piece is Track 17 on the soundtrack entitled "Super 16 by Neu!".

    MV Gerhard


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    posted 10-11-2003 07:35 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    Hey La La, unless it says in the end credits, I think the only pieces that sounded even close to Morriconne were the Baclov and Zamfir tracks.

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    posted 10-11-2003 09:54 PM PT (US)     

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    Musical highlight of the film is the use of Ennio Morricone's DEATH RIDES A HORSE ("From Man To Man"). A brilliant collection of music. No score needed!

    Ryan

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    posted 10-11-2003 09:56 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by sean:
    Hey Hadrian, why do you only wanna see the first volume? That's like watching Star Trek III and not bothering to see Star Trek IV! Lame-o!!! j/k


    I really wanted to watch the movie as a whole, not divided up into parts. I watch Tarantino movies as an experience. And I know that this first volume is the action filled one while the second is just the dialogue filled part. Sometime I just want to see the movie for the action itself and be entertained and if that's all the first volume offers then what's the point of waiting to watch the second?

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    posted 10-11-2003 10:09 PM PT (US)     

     Camillu
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    I haven't seen the film yet, but the soundtrack is great.

    It's reached a point where every so often, a large chunk of the general population blindly trust a certain guy to put together a compilation of hidden gems, and they pay willingly for it.

    And yet again, we aren't let down.

    NP: Santa Esmeralda - Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood

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    posted 10-12-2003 05:48 AM PT (US)     

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    Hadrian, I think Tarantino is banking on the idea that the audience cares enough about the characters to go see a Volume 2 of the KIll Bill story.

    For me, it would be like not being interested in finding out what's gonna happen in Return of the Jedi or The Voyage Home, they both leave unanswered questions, as does Kill Bill; and, hopefully, the audience wants to know what the next step is.

    Ryan, thanks for the Morriconne info.

    Camillu, I'm listening to the same song!

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    posted 10-12-2003 08:09 AM PT (US)     

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    It was an experience to watch, and I admit to being VERY entertained. Also thought the
    use of source music was excellent. The music during the Anime episode was gorgeous and an effective counterpoint to horror. The ending certainly makes me eager for Volume II.

    The last sequence in the restaurant was suppose to be over the top which is fine, but it
    also lasted too long. (I was never grossed out by the violence; it was so exaggerated, it
    inspired giggles from the audience.) It made its point but began to drag on and on and on.
    Hello editor???

    Speaking of its point, maybe volume II will have one. When I consider the plot, there
    isn’t much. Pulp Fiction was much more intricate, layed, and detailed. So at this point I’m wondering if I was really handed only empty calories all glossed and veneered with the appearance of high art? I don’t know yet. Is this really anything more than a, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scored," movie? (Make Fatal Attraction look like a Disney flick. Certain women should be ticked off. )

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    posted 10-13-2003 09:32 AM PT (US)     

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    This is the most idiotic movie I've seen all year. My friends kept annoying everyone by doing mst3k dialog over the actual dialog. wish they wouldn't do that, so rude! I can say at least that i am now 70 percent dumber for seeing this than before.
    I guess if you've never seen photography before, or MOVING photography you'd be all wowed by the cinematography and editing.

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    posted 10-13-2003 03:43 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by rkeaveney:
    Musical highlight of the film is the use of Ennio Morricone's DEATH RIDES A HORSE ("From Man To Man"). A brilliant collection of music. No score needed!

    Ryan


    When was that used? If its the piece I'm hoping it is...I must find it (as nothing by Morricone is on the CD).


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    posted 10-13-2003 04:26 PM PT (US)     

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    I don't know what it is. Everyone wants to see this movie and I take one look at it and mute the tv, or turn the channel. I just don't have any interest.

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    posted 10-13-2003 05:01 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    Well poor you, Justin.

    And mlw, what do you like? Michael Bay?

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    posted 10-13-2003 09:57 PM PT (US)     

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    No I like movies by real filmmakers!
    Lessee...
    Sam Peckinpah
    Kinji Fukasaku
    Takashi Miike
    Beat Kitano
    John Milius
    Howard Hawks
    Akira Kurosawa
    Steven Spielberg
    David Lynch
    John Ford
    Oliver Stone
    Brian DePalma
    Julie Taymor
    Yasujiro Ozu
    Kiyoshi Kurosawa
    Shusuke Kaneko
    Seijun Suzuki
    Tsui Hark
    Wong Kar Wai
    Fruit Chan
    Johnny To
    Francis Coppola
    Spike Lee
    John Frankenheimer
    Stanley Kubrick
    John Carpenter
    Walter Hill
    Jackie Chan
    Zhang Yimou

    why waste your valuable time with pirated goods when the real thing is much more nutritious?


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    posted 10-14-2003 02:32 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    Sounds like another case of "in order to praise what I like, I must condemn others." Nothing new here, sadly.

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    posted 10-14-2003 11:12 PM PT (US)     

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    I'd say it sounds like a case of "I have refined tastes so I throw in a few unknown names in my list to look avantgarde" to me...

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    posted 10-15-2003 06:51 AM PT (US)     

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    But those aren't unknown names. The Japanese directors are and were extremely well-known in Japan. The movies are available to anyone in the world by airmail, obtainable in just a few days. Basically if you don't agree with someone you look to cut them down somehow. I don't do this to other posters, it's a waste of time.

    If it's an inanimate object like a movie, there's no reason to be cordial especially when it's one as arrogantly overhyped, conceitedly unoriginal and racially dubious as Kill Bill.

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    posted 10-15-2003 02:09 PM PT (US)     

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    mlw, I didn't really want you to make me a list; I just like making fun of people who admire Michael Bay! But, just to re-enforce your point: none of those names are "avantgarde" or "unkown"; there's only a couple of names I don't recognize on there, otherwise, Camillu, it's pretty basic stuff.

    I feel that some of those directors, especially John Ford, Steven Spielberg, and Francis Ford Coppola, are VERY capable and willing to direct some incredible garbage—same goes for Tsui Hark.

    It's really too bad that Kinji Fukasaku died before completing Battle Royale II, since after the opening introdcution and first fifteen minutes of the film, it got lost, and there's an easy answer as to why: his son took over in the director's chair, producing a sub-par picture, never reaching the distance the first got to; maybe because Takeshi's hardly in it. (your list just reminded me of this! lol)

    Anyway, on to film music...

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    posted 10-15-2003 08:37 PM PT (US)     

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    The music worked very well in the film...it just needed a better film (imho). I like QT's stuff and actually thought "Jackie Brown" was his best yet. But the bloat of this one is just too much. There's wasn't enough story in Vol.1 to justify almost 4 hrs total screen time ( counting Vol.2 of course). I'll buy the CD, but couldn't recommend the movie, even it it DID have the occasional good moment.

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    posted 10-16-2003 10:34 AM PT (US)     

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    WELL, I finally saw this movie. Here's my 2cents

    Movie: Missed the first 5-10minute Mucho gore, mucho action, leaning on the side of excessiveness. Uma Thurman was very nice. She carries the film quite well even though she didn't possess enough charm to make me feel more involved. Lucy Liu was good. Her character's backstory seems like a pastiche of various HK flicks, which is the point. Every scenes with Sonny Chiba seems to float with such airy/magical personality. What a great actor. The story is simple, so basic and the plot is as linear as you can get with a revenge arc. I'd see the second vol, just so I can find out if half of the first vol was a waste or not.

    Score: Is it just me or that whenever the Ennio Morricone music come on, the movie got cool? I love all the brassy cues that underscored the Japan sequence and before that. Are those cues on the album? Are most of the tracks that's in the movie, on the album? If so, it's definitely worth it for me to buy it.

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    posted 10-24-2003 01:31 AM PT (US)     

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    Finally saw it last Wed (we get our films a month late), and loved every minute of it. Definetely the best 2 hours spent in a cinema so far this year.

    Geek note - did anyone else hear the 2 uses of the Wilhelm scream during the bloodbath? If you don't know what the Wilhelm scream is, or haven't seen the great video compilation about it, head over here.

    (the video needs some updating, becuase the scream was used in AOTC, LOTR:TTT and Kill Bill, amongst others)

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    posted 11-09-2003 03:04 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Camillu:
    Geek note - did anyone else hear the 2 uses of the Wilhelm scream during the bloodbath? If you don't know what the Wilhelm scream is, or haven't seen the great video compilation about it, head over here.

    (the video needs some updating, becuase the scream was used in AOTC, LOTR:TTT and Kill Bill, amongst others)

    [Message edited by Camillu on 11-09-2003]


    Yeah, that was a nice little touch. I wondered why the good old Wilhelm scream didn't make its way into the Matrix sequels actually. (I'm sure there's a deep reason for it.)

    I just saw it myself and for my money, Kill Bill vol 1 is a masterpiece. Just beautiful, bloody and not for a moment boring. My favourite Tarantino by a very very definite margin. Best scene: in the swordmaker's loft.

    P.s. And "Bring the sake!" now joins "But why is the rum gone?" as my favourite line of the year.

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