JAMES HORNER FOREVER............

I love film scores,and i don't make them a way of living,so i don't have a site,and i'm not a critic,and don't give a crap if it's an ostinato or a crapinato on that score,I JUST LOVE THE MUSIC,so why can't you just say you don't like his style of music,and prefer other composers,instead of saying the same old crap that his scores are all alike,FINE EVEN IF THEY ARE SOME OF US LIKE IT THAT WAY,so just let it be,and go praise how good Prokofiev or some other dead dude his so good,,,,,

I mean, I don't see why I should buy the same score 15 times over, but if you like paying for the same music under a different title, hey that's fine by me.

At least when I buy different recordings of the same Prokofiev composition, I'm not being told it's a different piece of music.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
Ok sure. If you put it that way. I guess there are a lot of losers out there who like buying the same crap over and over.

I mean, I don't see why I should buy the same score 15 times over, but if you like paying for the same music under a different title, hey that's fine by me.

At least when I buy different recordings of the same Prokofiev composition, I'm not being told it's a different piece of music.

Though I still don't understand why the Hornerfreaks can't understand that plagiarism is still plagiarism, and that selling the same lemon over and over again under different titles is still screwing the consumer through false information.

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Heh, Dinko, I wonder how many times you've written something similar? We should do a search... lol. It's taken some time, but you've really refined it, bro.

Come to think of it... I really should ask Horner what photocopier model he has. It seems to be lasting him quite a long time. If I'm going to blast him in the future, I'll need a model which is just as endurable as his.

I've been gone for a long while, but man, making fun of good ol' Jimmie is just a cop out these days. Film music is in such a rut that it isn't even funny; you guys should try some other stuff out there, maybe.

Go listen to Radiohead's Hail to the Thief or Dave Matthews' Some Devil, by far better than any score I've heard this year.

Oh yeah, I haven't heard Beyond Borders, but I am interested in hearing both it and Radio.

[Message edited by Hasta on 10-28-2003]

The difference between a person who listens to James Horner, and actually likes his music, despite the lifts, and a person who can't stand Horner's re-uses is that the former doesn't try to force his opinion on the other guy.

Give it a rest!

Some people like Horner's music, while some can't stand it. Why the latter group has to convince the other group that they are completely wrong over and over and over again, like some kind of religious fanatic, is beyond me. If you don't like his music then a) don't buy his music and b) don't watch the movies he scores. No one is forcing you to listen to his music, or watch the films. And if you don't like it, tell Horner himself instead of bitching about it here where no one will benefit from it. Jeez...

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Originally posted by Jeron:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by John Baxter:
[b]We all know that Goldsmith is washed up. That's why he couldn't cut it on Timeline.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's laughable. You couldn't be further off the mark, dude. But nice try!![/B]

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Just answer me this,what movie scores composer,of those we all know and like,haven't repeat the same type of music and themes in his scores?

Just tell me one or two so we can see if Horner do sutch reused music like you say...

Workaluk, again you bring up the argument of other composers. It's not about whether anyone else has done it, it's about how often and how blatant it is being done by them. No other photocopier has done it this often, and at such ridiculous levels of reuse.
And no one's talking about style. Every composer has a style. No one's holding that against Horner (whose style of soaring strings and long lines I love). What's so annoying is that virtually every single score Horner has ever composed featured significant elements which were either not his own, or almost complete lifts of themes from previous movies.
We can all find similarities between this or that Jerry Goldsmith score, but you cannot find similarities between 90% of Goldsmith's scores. Or Williams'. Or virtually anyone else's. Where similarities is defined as "lifting or reusing significant portions of identical or almost identical material from previous movies". Nor will there ever be any other composer who just takes what he likes in Prokofiev cantatas or Khachaturian ballets without providing due credit.

The whole Russian classical music school is based on incorporating traditional folk melodies in symphonic works. But whenever this was done, the songs were readily aknowledged as the source. Even though no one owned the songs, and even though everyone would know the songs, they were still credited.
If Horner can't quit Xeroxing, can't he at least begin crediting his 'inspirations' or 'recyclings'? Of course sometimes there would be too many. On something like Titanic, you'd need a whole page in the booklet to let you know what came from where. But it's one step toward decreasing deception of the consumer. Besides, Horner could also attract environmentalists: "This musical score consists of 10% recycled material". That both admits his practice (no more fraud, no more criticism), and attracts people concerned about all the wasted paper and the health of the planet.

It's the same reason I get upset when Danielle Steele makes the bestseller list or Bringing Down the House grosses $100 million. I care about literature and film deeply, and I hate seeing people settle for such tripe when there's so much more rewarding material out there.

I don't want people to like all the same things as me. It's better that they don't. But I just hate seeing people buy into art or entertainment whose creators treat their audience like idiots.

And yes, we can avoid the music and even avoid the movies, but by the same token no one has to read our posts.

Touché.

Maybe Horner fans should try to convert the non-Horner fans, try to "force" their opinions on others, as you put it (wrongly, in my opinion, since nobody's breaking into anyone's house and stealing their James Horner CD's). There's no harm in trying to convince other people you're right.

This is, of course, an argument that can't be won by anyone. As such, I'll see you at the next match.

"As such, I'll see you at the next match."

NP-The Messenger:Eric Serra

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Originally posted by John Baxter:
Probably explains why he couldn't finish Timeline. What a loser!

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
Though I cherish what little reason I have to believe that film music message boards are not merely locales for fanatic instigators, the way these informational topics absolutely dissolve into my "My composer is better than yours [for whatever reason]" is wholly pathetic.(I can only imagine that sports-related sites, or television cooking related bulletin boards shake down into something along the lines of "Emeril Lagasse kicks way more ass than Paul Prudhomme, because he doesn't use as much cumin in his sauces....")

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Lancelot, I couldn't agree more. This kindof stuff is why I rarely visit or post at boards anymore.