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Jeron Standard Userer	...or at least, I think that's what it is. I realize the newest trailer isn't in theaters as of this date (Sept. 27), but last night my cousin sent it to me, recorded off of Japanese TV (the trailer's subtitled). The thing that grabbed my attention most prominently was the music. Go figure. Without a doubt, it has to be tracked with music from ROTK's score (either that or new music from TTT Director's Cut), which includes a really cool, new variation or derivative of the Fellowship theme. Has anyone else seen this? If so, can you comment? I'm sure Brian will chime in, I sent the trailer over to him last night. Regardless, it sure did sound good... can't wait to hear what other people think. [Message edited by Jeron on 09-27-2003]
posted 09-27-2003 07:05 PM PT (US)

scoreman Standard Userer	the trailer looks GREAT!! oh man, im so pumped now. anyhoo, as for the music: it does sound like a variation of the fellowship theme, but it sounds a little strange to me.. i dunno if its my speakers or the quality of the vid, but the orchestration sounds almost synth to my ears so i doubt it would be shore's score.. could be wrong. Aragorn is gonna gick some ass though!! matt
posted 09-27-2003 11:38 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	And that's all I'm gonna say --Brian
posted 09-28-2003 12:49 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	I tried downloading the Japanese TV version, but after a handful of tries I decided I'll hold out till Monday and watch it in glorious Quicktime. Of course, Jeron isn't exactly helping my wait....
posted 09-28-2003 03:03 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	http://www.audiblebeauty.net/trailers.htm
posted 09-28-2003 03:12 AM PT (US)

Doug Adams Non-Standard Userer	The music was specifically written and recorded for the trailer, but it's very close to a cue that's in the film (ROTK). And yes, that's the Gondor theme there at the end. -Doug
posted 09-28-2003 06:05 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	And which member of Peter Jackson's team are you sleeping with?
posted 09-28-2003 11:06 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	LOL!!! --Brian
posted 09-28-2003 11:08 AM PT (US)

Doug Adams Non-Standard Userer	>>>And which member of Peter Jackson's team are you sleeping with?>>> Play nice. I was at the recording sessions in London earlier this month. -Doug
posted 09-28-2003 11:09 AM PT (US)

Alexborn007 Standard Userer	I need a time machine... That was quite impressive.
posted 09-28-2003 11:54 AM PT (US)

Richard Standard Userer	quote: Play nice. I was at the recording sessions in London earlier this month. So you must be sleeping with one of them. j/k [Message edited by Richard on 09-28-2003]
posted 09-28-2003 05:55 PM PT (US)

Jeff78 Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Richard: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Play nice. I was at the recording sessions in London earlier this month.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> So you must be sleeping with one of them. j/k [Message edited by Richard on 09-28-2003] Hopefully not Peter Jackson!! Jeff
posted 09-29-2003 01:59 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	Finally saw the trailer. (wow)
posted 09-30-2003 06:45 AM PT (US)

John Zimmer Standard Userer	I can't say much that's not already been said. Lots of CGI horseys and birdies.... Jz
posted 10-01-2003 05:58 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	Shore seems to combine the Gondor and Aragorn themes in the second half of the trailer. How cool is that?
posted 10-01-2003 10:46 AM PT (US)

Pete M Standard Userer	I saw the trailer in front of Underworld yesterday, & totally loved it. However, I was so excited looking at it, that I completely paid no attention to the music. Damn.
posted 10-01-2003 12:11 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Ehhh??? In front of Underworld you say...I know it's probably hit and miss depending on what theatre you go to...but perhaps I will go see that one after all! The only thing about the preview that did not impress me was the final piece of music. I am glad that it is trailer specific...it is not up to snuff with the rest of the films' excellent scores.
posted 10-02-2003 09:29 AM PT (US)

Bryan T Standard Userer	The music in the last part of the trailer is the same theme that was played under Boromir's speech at the Council of Elrond in Fellowship. Different orchestration and mode, to be sure, but it's the same theme. So there was the Gondor theme all along.
posted 10-02-2003 10:38 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	I've seen the trailer about a zillion times by now. At first I thought it wasn't as superb as last years' TTT trailer, but I'm now having my doubts. >> There's a split-second shot of the Paths of the Dead in the beginning. >> I think two of the last shots - one of Faramir (is it him?) in his helmet, in profile, charging, and then one of a Oliphaunt's foot stamping on the ground, are the best marriage of images and sound I've seen in any trailer this year. >> Having said that, the whole final sequence, with the fast shots, is great. >> The first shot of the sequence, a close-up shot of Aragorn charging with a grey sky behind him, reminds me very much of the poster of The Messenger (Joan of Arc). I believe the same image was used as the CD cover too. >> At first I thought Shelob was relatively small, but I think all we get to see in the trailer is her head. >> I love the look Gollum gives Sam after Frodo says he won't send him away. >> Legolas looks cool in a hood. >> The shot of Gandlaf riding with his staff alight, and the Nazgul in the distance, is another great use of music and images. It looks great. >> What exactly does "that would take the heart of me" mean? I get the gist, but I think they should have used something more commonly used... >> I finally found that great quote "The board is set. The pieces are moving." in the book. It's only a few pages into ROTK. >> I hope they come up with a better poster than they did with TTT (a lot of faces 'floating' between the two towers). >> I can't wait.
posted 10-03-2003 06:41 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: >> I hope they come up with a better poster than they did with TTT (a lot of faces 'floating' between the two towers). The best ROTK poster so far is that of Elessar in his Gondor armour. Of course, that doesn't represent the whole story. A shame, since I think it would make a great DVD cover. NP: Spherical (Chris H�lsbeck)
posted 10-03-2003 07:17 AM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	There was a great poster for TTT - Saruman looking out of his baclony onto the Uruk-hai army, seen from behind, with his hair blowing in the wind. That would have made a great DVD cover... Ah well.
posted 10-03-2003 07:32 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	I'm with you Camillu...the knowing smirk the Gollum gives Sam is absolutely classic. Strangely enough, those few moments in the trailer (both images and music) stand out to me as the most memorable. Now, it could be that the online version of the trailer is dark (as they often are) but the shot of Gandalf riding Shadowfax onto the parapet of Minas Tirith is much darker that it was on the Two Towers DVD preview. I wonder if they have darkened the entire scene or if this is a quicktime issue? All in all...can't wait!! ____________________________ Small sidenote...here is a list of the theatres that will be showing the extended versions of Fellowship and Two Towers in December. There will be a marathon on the 16th...Fellowship at 3pm, Two Towers at 7pm, and ROTK at 11pm. Tickets go on sale Oct 9th. http://www.lordoftherings.net/trilogy/index.html Of course...I don't think I am die hard enough to fight for tickets. And I don't know if my ass could take 11 hours of straight sitting... [Message edited by Quill on 10-03-2003]
posted 10-03-2003 07:41 AM PT (US)

MrSpock Non-Standard Userer	...have now watched the trailer at least a dozen times. The music is gorgeous beyond belief--as are the images. This year, I'm going to make myself wait until AFTER I've seen Return of the King before I buy the soundtrack.
posted 10-03-2003 01:47 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	I love that "I see in you such fear as would take the heart of me" (or close to that) line. I think that is going to be one of the more memorable moments in the film.
posted 10-04-2003 02:09 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I'd like to point out that I have both the Frodo and Sam and Gollum ROTK posters on my wall framed --Brian NP: Lake Placid (Ottman)
posted 10-05-2003 12:57 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: I'd like to point out that I have both the Frodo and Sam and Gollum ROTK posters on my wall framed ahem (cough) braggart!
posted 10-05-2003 01:25 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	And I'll ship yours when I seal it and have money TO ship it ya goof --Brian
posted 10-05-2003 09:25 AM PT (US)

JClark Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by franz_conrad: I love that "I see in you such fear as would take the heart of me" (or close to that) line. I think that is going to be one of the more memorable moments in the film. I actually think that's a terribly-written line. It doesn't even make sense! In context, it might be better than it sounds initially, but in general, Tolkien's dialogue is much better than that of the screenwriters. Tolkien didn't write that clumsily.
posted 10-06-2003 07:18 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	I agree, JClark. It's a poorly written piece of dialogue. He pulls it off because of the intensity and emotion in his voice, but I can't help but roll my eyes when I hear my friends quoting it. LOL. [Message edited by Jeron on 10-06-2003]
posted 10-06-2003 11:11 AM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	Only Shakespeare could write that poorly. NP Hulk (Elfman)
posted 10-06-2003 03:41 PM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	I think the best example of intensity and emotion in a voice is the great "The End Has Come" at the beginning of the trailer. But my favourite line from the trailer has got to be "Not for ourselves, but we can give Frodo a chance". On a totally separate note, Hugo Weaving has got to be the most donwloaded guy of the year (apart from the Jenna Jamesons and the Ron Jeremys).
posted 10-06-2003 03:45 PM PT (US)

Doug Adams Non-Standard Userer	>>>Shore seems to combine the Gondor and Aragorn themes in the second half of the trailer. How cool is that? >>> If this is the sort of thing you enjoy, you're going to be extraordinarily pleased this December.
posted 10-06-2003 06:22 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Doug Adams: If this is the sort of thing you enjoy, you're going to be extraordinarily pleased this December. Care to elaborate on that?
posted 10-06-2003 06:48 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	I will probably get a decent amount of flack for this...but I equate Tolkien's style to a talking piece of wood. Don't get me wrong, I will always love his work simply because of the ideas themselves, but there are times when we fails to deliver a compelling narrative. That being said, I think quite a bit of his dialogue in the books was clumsy. If not clumsy then overly rigid and without an emotional voice. While the line from the preview may not be Jackson's best (and it does make sense, if you consider his heart the source of his courage and will) I would submit that Jackson's team has taken dialogue completely unsuited for the screen and molded it to work and work well. For the most part, they have communicated Tolkien's voice without the endless blather that plagues many portions of his stories. And they have done this without "dumming it down" if you will. Another reason why it baffles me that the first two films were not in the very least nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay. They have adapted a novel that simply could not be adapted, while remaining true to the source material and improving several elements.
posted 10-07-2003 07:34 AM PT (US)

JClark Standard Userer	I maintain that the line does not make sense. What does it mean to "take the heart" of someone? Even if it did mean something, he isn't saying that his soldiers' fear is "taking" his heart. He's saying that their fear, if he had it himself, would take his own heart. That's what doesn't make sense. Maybe we can kind of get the gist (i.e., "I know you're afraid. I am too.") of the speaker in the context of the scene, but the words themselves do not cohere. The quality of Tolkien's dialogue in the books is a separate topic, I suppose. This quote, however, strikes me as an attempt to imitate Tolkien's "wooden" style without his exactitude and clarity.
posted 10-07-2003 08:20 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Standard Userer	I just want to hear more from Doug about the ROTK score - what other hints can give us as to its greatness?
posted 10-07-2003 09:48 AM PT (US)

Boatnh8084 Standard Userer	The actual line is "I see in your eyes the same fear (not "such fear") that would take the heart of me," which does make sense, despite being overly convoluted. He's basically admitting that he shares the soldier's fear, that he too is afraid, not that their fear is disheartening to him.
posted 10-07-2003 10:08 AM PT (US)

JClark Standard Userer	The word "would" in the line indicates that he doesn't share the soldiers' fear. And still, what does "take the heart" really mean? I've never heard the idiom before (I think), and I think it's a dumb one. Anyway, my point is that Tolkien's dialogue, whatever else you might say about it, is not susceptible to the same unintentional ambiguity as the film's.
posted 10-07-2003 11:09 AM PT (US)

Lancelot Standard Userer	Oh boy, an English lesson! The line in question: "I see in your eyes (such/the same?) fear that would take the heart of me." In this instance of formal speech, (often the grammatical phrasing of Shakespeare) "would" also means "does" (or likewise some appropriate form of the verb "to do".) Often, the placement of the the word "would" before the verb often makes it present tense in such grammatics. From "Much Ado About Nothing": Don Pedro You have put him down, lady, you have put him down. Beatrice So I would* not he should do me, my lord, lest I should prove the mother of fools.* Simple translation: "You made [Benedick] look like a fool." "I put (present tense) him down rather than have him make me look like a (really big) fool." Beatrice doesn't mean that in the future, she pre-considers making him (Benedick, in this case) look like a fool--because she already did (in the preceeding scene.) Back to our original line: "I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me." Simple translation: "That scares me to death, too." (Not knowing what the "that" is, in this particular instance...maybe it's just the fear of conflict against Sauron.) Still, considering the film, considering the actors, considering the setting, considering the source, "would take the heart of me" is perhaps more formal, more poetic (in a Shakespearean sense), and more appropriate than "scares me to death." That you would take this to heart upon viewing the film....
posted 10-07-2003 12:07 PM PT (US)

JClark Standard Userer	Your Shakespearean example of the word "would" is inapt. In that case, the word means "wish." Beatrice is not using the conditional voice. In our example, however, "would" is purely conditional. I know that arguing about grammar is stupid, even if one or more of us is a bona fide expert. (I'm not.) But to call the film's phrase "poetic" seems to be a wild stretch to me. Rather, it's merely an attempt to be poetic. And a meager one at that. Oh, and your translation of Beatrice's line would be better rendered: "I didn't want him to put me on my back, because then he could knock me up."
posted 10-07-2003 12:25 PM PT (US)

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