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Topic: The Wind And The Lion...where are you?

Alexborn007

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Hi,Anyone know a place where I can get this CD for a reasonable price? (Under 35 would be pristine).
The only places I've seen it available have been for quite astronomical prices...Anyhoo, thanks for the help

posted 09-10-2003 04:01 PM PT (US) 
Camillu

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There's a tiny place called Exotique which is in the Baystreet shopping complex in Paceville, here in Malta, which has a copy for 5 Maltese liri.Honest.
posted 09-10-2003 04:51 PM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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quote:
Originally posted by Camillu:
There's a tiny place called [b]Exotique which is in the Baystreet shopping complex in Paceville, here in Malta, which has a copy for 5 Maltese liri.Honest.[/B]
Why must I be so far from that place
?Just got this Email from Intrada:
"We have no plans for the moment to re-press this title. It's been in our catalog for over ten years but has pretty much dropped off the radar at this point."
78 dollars is hefty...posted 09-10-2003 05:51 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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Wow, how lame. Thank God we have a release of Bones!
posted 09-10-2003 06:24 PM PT (US) 
Dinko

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You ignoramuss! BONS IS BEST SAUNDTRAQ EVER!!!!!!I by 36 copie for my and me friends. They alll say its best score ever!
You suck! You dont know nothign!
posted 09-10-2003 06:55 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

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I wouldn't be surprised if Varese re-issued it as a Deluxe Edition at some point. Wouldn't be the first time they've acquired titles that were previously in the Intrada catalog. Of course, I could just be silly in the head!
-j
posted 09-10-2003 07:42 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Damn, this is news to me. Last I heard, Wind and the Lion was being repressed, same as Rambo III.... I've been telling customers to hold on, as there have been plenty requests. Oh well.I can count 10 Intrada titles that are still in print that have dropped off the radar compared with Wind and the Lion. It was a regular seller. Bones is not, despite Dinko's 36 copie he buyt.
Wow, too bad. But yes, rediscovered masters or something would be nice. The quality did leave a little to be desired. Nonetheless, people wanted it.
posted 09-10-2003 07:49 PM PT (US) 
James

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This wonderful film is finally being released on DVD in early January, so it's definitely going to be back on the radar soon, if it was ever truly off.I like Jeron's theory. In addition to acquiring previous Intrada releases, Varese also has a history of putting out "Deluxe Editions" that are neatly timed with DVD release dates.

Kirk
posted 09-10-2003 08:00 PM PT (US) 
Skycar12

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I was fortunate enough to find a used copy of the score at the "Footlight Records" store on 12th St, NYC, in June. Cost..abt. $9. If you contact them, they may have another copy squeezed into their used Score bins.Roy
posted 09-10-2003 08:14 PM PT (US) 
RogerFeigelson
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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
Damn, this is news to me. Last I heard, Wind and the Lion was being repressed, same as Rambo III.... I've been telling customers to hold on, as there have been plenty requests. Oh well.I can count 10 Intrada titles that are still in print that have dropped off the radar compared with Wind and the Lion. It was a regular seller. Bones is not, despite Dinko's 36 copie he buyt.
Wow, too bad. But yes, rediscovered masters or something would be nice. The quality did leave a little to be desired. Nonetheless, people wanted it.
Licenses do expire. Truth be told, sales on those titles slowed to a crawl. Not much incentive to pursue re-issuing them.Roger
posted 09-10-2003 10:29 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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Well, this film is coming out on DVD in '04, so maybe that will give the incentive for somebody else to license the score recording.
posted 09-10-2003 10:37 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Licenses do expire? No kidding. If that were the reason given 6 months ago when attempting to reorder it for the store, we never would have thought about it again. But that was not the reason given....Here's to hoping the license will expire so someone else can get this out, newly repackaged/remastered/rewhatevah. C'mon Varese, you masters of releasing soundtracks when the DVD hits the stores!! It will sell better than On the Beach, guaranteed (winketh winketh).
[Message edited by PeterK on 09-11-2003]
posted 09-11-2003 07:26 AM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
Licenses do expire? No kidding. If that were the reason given 6 months ago when attempting to reorder it for the store, we never would have thought about it again. But that was not the reason given....Here's to hoping the license will expire so someone else can get this out, newly repackaged/remastered/rewhatevah. C'mon Varese, you masters of releasing soundtracks when the DVD hits the stores!! It will sell better than On the Beach, guaranteed (winketh winketh).
[Message edited by PeterK on 09-11-2003]
Listen to him! My $19.98 (ship charges pending) is already yours! This score certainly merits a Deluxe Edition
posted 09-11-2003 12:21 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Taa-daaa....http://www.moviemusic.com/soundtrack/windandthelion-expanded
posted 08-06-2007 06:20 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Does this thread show us that we shouldn't have to believe what record labels tell us?If we still must believe everything people say, I am glad sales dropped off the radar back then. If that's what it takes to get something reissued in expanded format, and not even a fashionable limited edition, OK by me! Now I just can't wait to hear the remastering job.
posted 08-06-2007 06:23 PM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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Hey Peter I sent you an email regarding this.Edit: BTW You guys can listen to clips on Intrada's site: http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.ACCT67745/it.A/id.5477/.f
[Message edited by BigT1981 on 08-06-2007]
posted 08-06-2007 06:25 PM PT (US) 
Bond1965

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Thanks for posting the link Peter. I just placed my order.James
posted 08-06-2007 06:30 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Damn. Hope this one is still around at Christmas, as I likely won't be able to order this until that time. No sense in buying it now and having it sit unopened for months.
posted 08-06-2007 06:42 PM PT (US) 
Squiddybop
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Well, since it's not a limited release it should be around for quite a while.
posted 08-06-2007 06:45 PM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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Indeed, no limited release on this set. I'm greatful for that one.
posted 08-06-2007 06:48 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

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posted 08-06-2007 07:45 PM PT (US) 
RogerFeigelson
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
Does this thread show us that we shouldn't have to believe what record labels tell us?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, let's be fair. That was four years ago. At that time we didn't know where the original elements were and the idea of just releasing the LP program again was not an exciting prospect. A lot changed in those four years. So I what I said in 2003 was valid...then. But things change.
Months ago a rumor started about a project we were supposedly working on, which I had to deny. It was true...we weren't working on it. Hadn't even thought of it. About four months later, I decided to work on it without high expectations and it came about. Does this mean my original comment when it wasn't even a glimmer in my eye was misleading? Things change...just extend us some flexibility.
[Message edited by RogerFeigelson on 08-06-2007]
[Message edited by RogerFeigelson on 08-06-2007]
posted 08-06-2007 08:07 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Roger, welcome back - I think that 9/10/03 post was your last around here since today!Yes, let's be fair... you quoted only the first line of my message. The latter included a hint of the humor involved, so no, this was not a political post aimed at taking anyone out based on former realities. Quoting something four years old should be reason enough to believe this is humorist prose.
Stick around. We've been having fun. Checkout the soundtrack art thread, see if you come up with anything...
posted 08-06-2007 08:41 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

...but of course, we'll see how much has changed regarding the interest in the title. Outside of the circle of Goldsmith fans and soundtrack collectors, if sales basically came to a halt as of 2003, why would they pick up with any steam in 2007?I would say sales will be good. Why? Because from my seat, sales never lost steam, See earlier posts made above. It was a great seller in the MM store until it was suddenly "out of print." If Intrada thought the sales had come to a halt, I guess the MM store was the only one selling it with any success. Now to hoping that continues. So far tonight, so good. Can't wait to hear it.
posted 08-06-2007 08:49 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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It's great that this release came together. The sound quality of the previous issue left something to be desired, and based on the sound clips it seems like going back to the original(?) 3 tracks solved that problem. It will also be interesting to hear what the LP program sounds like in "remastered" form, though I'm not expecting any miracles there.It makes me wonder what some of the mastering engineers of the LP age were thinking, given how they often they seemed to destroy perfectly fine recordings with too much reverb, too much compression, and/or bad EQ jobs. I do not like vinyl as a format, but it was capable of much better sound reproduction than the masters that a lot of these engineers were throwing at it. Thank goodness that sometimes higher generation elements still survive so we can get a better listen without the disastrous LP-era processing.
[Message edited by jonathan_little on 08-06-2007]
posted 08-06-2007 09:00 PM PT (US) 
BigT1981

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by PeterK:
...but of course, we'll see how much has changed regarding the interest in the title. Outside of the circle of Goldsmith fans and soundtrack collectors, if sales basically came to a halt as of 2003, why would they pick up with any steam in 2007?I would say sales will be good. Why? Because from my seat, sales never lost steam, See earlier posts made above. It was a great seller in the MM store until it was suddenly "out of print." If Intrada thought the sales had come to a halt, I guess the MM store was the only one selling it with any success. Now to hoping that continues. So far tonight, so good. Can't wait to hear it.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Some people can't take jokes really well on the internet Peter.

[Message edited by BigT1981 on 08-06-2007]
posted 08-06-2007 09:42 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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Well, it does have one factor working against it, and that is that it's rather expensive. Casual film or casual music fans might not want to cough up $25 for a CD. (Even a 2 discer). Then again, maybe they do it all the time and I'm just super frugal.
I'll get it eventually I'm sure, I read on the Intrada forums that they are thinking about distributing it in stores which is wonderful cause you can often find things cheaper---such as FSM stuff which used to be distributed through "Hepcat (SP?) Distibution" and readily available at the likes of Overstock.com for a good $4-$5 off the MSRP.
posted 08-06-2007 11:04 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

And just what stores would carry this? I can't think of any brick and mortar music stores that still exist that would carry such a title. The only ones who mean anything to the music industry would never carry this title... Walmart, Best Buy, Hastings, FYE, never.It would be nice to see Intrada in stores again, but unless it's a store like Intrada used to be in Frisco or Footlight was in NYC, there's no sense in it.
I don't want to rain on this parade of thought, but to me there is little opportunity to get such a thing into stores where the time and effort to do it would actually be worth anything. Would love to be proven wrong!
posted 08-07-2007 12:20 AM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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quote:
Originally posted by PeterK:
And just what stores would carry this? I can't think of any brick and mortar music stores that still exist that would carry such a title. The only ones who mean anything to the music industry would never carry this title... Walmart, Best Buy, Hastings, FYE, never.It would be nice to see Intrada in stores again, but unless it's a store like Intrada used to be in Frisco or Footlight was in NYC, there's no sense in it.
I don't want to rain on this parade of thought, but to me there is little opportunity to get such a thing into stores where the time and effort to do it would actually be worth anything. Would love to be proven wrong!
Yeah. I don't think it'd happen either buuuuuuuuuut:from http://www.intrada.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1344&start=0
quote:
Terry Cloth wrote:
Hey Doug or Roger...
since this release isn't a limtied edition, will it be available in stores? There's a store here that can get just about anything.
We're reviewing that option with the unlimited releases, but nothing definitive yet.Looks like a possibility. I was surprised to learn that FSM cds were actually in B&M stores at some point.
posted 08-07-2007 12:52 AM PT (US) 
jonathan_little

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I've given up on B&Ms. They're a complete waste of time, and it usually takes them two months to put out a new film score release, that is if they get it at all. Used CD sections at least hold a hope of something special appearing, but are often filled with songtracks and boring Horner scores.The price? I think the price is alright for a two disc release and seems to be pretty much in line with their peers. I don't really need the second disc, but I'll take it. Overall it definitely feels like a better price point then the $23 Spellbound re-recording.
posted 08-07-2007 06:19 AM PT (US) 
Alwin

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Heh, Peter, if you recall, I asked you if paying $75+ was worth it, and you replied no.This is great news, indeed!
posted 08-07-2007 10:16 PM PT (US) 
Alexborn007

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I'd forgotten about this thread haha...Excellent news! Not only is it re-issued, but complete and remastered to boot. Not being limited is icing on the cake
.A huge thanks to Intrada, FSM, and all involved. These labels have been on a tremendous roll, and it's been a pleasure to get to experience and have access to all this great music--be it a less represented composer [on disc], or a fan favorite like Goldsmith. Exciting times indeed!
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posted 08-08-2007 07:32 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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2000 copies already sold. And they thought nobody wanted it when it went out of print?
posted 08-09-2007 12:26 PM PT (US) 
tjguitar

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quote:
Originally posted by jonathan_little:
The price? I think the price is alright for a two disc release and seems to be pretty much in line with their peers. I don't really need the second disc, but I'll take it. Overall it definitely feels like a better price point then the $23 Spellbound re-recording.I agree Jon. 25 bucks for 2 CDs is fine the 2nd cd just seems unnecessary. Though, I'm sure there is some out there who will enjoy having the 2nd disc.
posted 08-09-2007 05:49 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
