This is the most disgusting film to receieve a theatrical release in a long time. 150 minutes. Within that timeframe director Michael Bay and producer Jerry Bruckheimer seem determined to blow **** up, make fun of homosexuals, use racism for comic relief, and do what is unforgivable: treating guns with total disregard to their actual function, and fashioning them as toys.

Outlining a theatrical release with those goals in mind should have been easy, if not painless, on the filmmakers part. Normally these targets would be called the "hidden agenda", but it would be impossible for Michael Bay to hide anything from the audience, much less his stupidity.

My only complaint about Roger Ebert's review of the film is that he wasn't harsh enough.

Even if we eliminate the obvious agenda of this film, its just made badly. Actually what Michael Bay and his team of editors were really good at doing was hiding plot points and reasoning behind the action; because there was none. The action was completely useless at times, and I hate the term, but it was just flash, and nothing more. Not only that, there was awful continuity throughout, and bad coverage. Why have five cars and a boast crash on a freeway and explode if you're going to shake your cameras like there's no tomorrow.

The fact that Will Smith and Martin Lawrence are black, does not mean that because they say the N-word its not racist; in fact, its extremely racist and sick. What on Earth were they thinking? I'm talking specifically about the scene where the two of them are threatening a young boy with violence and even death as he arrives at the door to take Lawrence's daughter on a first date (an incredibly stupid scene that doesn't even qualify as a subplot). They repeatedly cut the boy down with the N-word and homophobic jokes, shoving a gun in his face, which is just incredible (I mean, aren't these guys supposed to the police?), it's amazing they got money for this rubbish. By the way, the audience was dead silent at this point in the picture, which is very telling; it's not funny! And no one is interested in being cruel in this manner.

Michael Bay is sadly mistaken, racism is not cool no matter who's delivering the dialogue, and I won't believe for a second that he didn't have a part in this **** , and neither are guns, or being homophobic. He really shows of his extreme conservatism with this one. Same with Bruckheimer, I mean if it already wasn't apparent, that he delights in this kind of humour at other people's expense. It's about obsession, the white man's fantasy of justice, and self-serving characters; everyone in the film is only concerned with themselves, like the makers, who seem to have forgotten that people are actually gonna watch their crapp.

I'd really like to know what Spike Lee has to say about Bad Boys II.

The score, in fact, isn't even worth discussing its so bad.

So now, Jeff 78, do you racism funny? Entertaining? Do you homophobia enetertaining? Explain yourself. Tell everyone whats so good about this film. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I find it funny because it's a damn movie and nothing more. I'm not there for how they use the guns, what language they use, who they make fun of. I'm there to be entertained. And the crowed that was there when I went loved every bit of it. I'm not a wanna be critic who goes in there looks for something to complain about. And I could tell from the traailer plus the original film what type of language and gun play this film would be. And I'm sure you would now if you saw the original film. And I don't see you complaining about the Adam Sandler movies which he always making homophobic jokes.
No I am not raciest (my best friend if african-american), no, I have no problem with homesexuals (because I know a few and act better than most people I know in here) and no, I don't belive that the movie represents that it's ok to go play with guns. If a kid shoots someone and parents say the kid was "acting" out a seen from a movie they saw..Then the parents are morons and the kids are just crazy and they are using the "blame the movies" crap to get their kids out of trouble. It's just a movie, I did not except it for anything else other than a entertaining film that has come out this year so far.
And I will be awaiting Bad Boys 3.

Jeff

Why did you assume I hadn't seen the first Bad Boys? I have seen it, and it isn't very good. So yeah, I knew what to expect, I just didn't think it would be this bad. Also, I didn't pay to see this movie... and the funniest part about Bad Boys II was Peter Stormare.

As far as Adam Sandler is concerned, I don't find him funny; never have. It doesn't make much sense to mention him, though.

So, you know homosexuals "in here". I guess that means here at moviemusic.com, right? That's pathetic.

And what about the gun play in the Matrix movies? what are your views on that?
I have not seen you complain about that when people said they liked the crap movie they called Matrix Reloaded.

That outrageous scene you guys mentioned with the boy coming to take the girl out on the date before being confronted by Lawrence and Smith. It did have people laughing alot during every screening. People were entertained by it. But this isn't only because "Its Just a Movie", its largely inpart of the "Numbness" that these people have instilled in themselves over time. Rememeber that famous line in Gone with the Wind that shocked audiences 1939? "Frankly My Dear I don't Give A Damn" That line was a big deal. It was almost a sin to curse in front of Women and Children, and you never heard it in a movie back then. And then you started hearing it more and more and more, until the mid 90s when it seems like you can say whatever you want not just in movies, but on the radio and on TV. Oh and kids are allowed to do it too!

Its like in the Gladiator days, people actually came to these events to see REAL Murder, Blood, Gore, Torture, Rape, self-mulilations etc, Those "Plays" literally had blood pouring from the stages. (That movie Gladiator (2000)) only focused on the battles, but ALOT more went on in those colloseums). And to these people, who were used to it. "Its just a show!". And people today who watch this same stuff in movies (makes no difference whether its real or not) say "Its just a movie!" But its the exact same numbness. There is no difference whether its real or just a movie.

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Best Regards,
Dylan

Oh yeah what about Lethal Weapons 1-4, Die Hard, Die Harder, Die Hard with a Vengeance,
Matrix, Matrix: Reloaded, Rambo 1-3 etc. That stuff is in all action movies why have a problem with it now?

* QUOTE * The fact that Will Smith and Martin Lawrence are black, does not mean that because they say the N-word its not racist; in fact, its extremely racist and sick.* QUOTE *

Not a big fan of Rap music, huh? ooh, but what about: Boyz 'n the Hood, Menace to Society, 8 Mile, Friday, Next Friday, Shaft 2000 and other films starring Sam Jackson, etc.?
If I remembered correctly they actually advertised Die Harder as the movie with the highest bodycount.

* QUOTE * make fun of homosexuals, use racism for comic relief.* QUOTE *

What about As Good As It Gets, Jack Nicholson is making fun of his gay neighbour, Eddie Murphy has been pretending to be overly gay more than once?

* QUOTE * What on Earth were they thinking? I'm talking specifically about the scene where the two of them are threatening a young boy with violence and even death as he arrives at the door to take Lawrence's daughter on a first date (an incredibly stupid scene that doesn't even qualify as a subplot). They repeatedly cut the boy down with the N-word and homophobic jokes, shoving a gun in his face, which is just incredible (I mean, aren't these guys supposed to the police?), * QUOTE *

Just a new way to show that a father can't stand it that his daughter is growing up, been done quite a few times also

My points being that although I don't find some of these things okay (although I don't mind a good shoot out in a movie and stuff blowing up, and I personally don't use the N-word but don't mind seeing black men say it to each other (okay, white men saying it to black men is highly questionable!)) It's really dense to get all worked up about Bad Boys 2 and not about these other movies.

Just my 2 cents

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This is pure and outright social hypocrisy. If the word has racist connotations, it has racist connotations and that's the end of that.
An idiot is an idiot, and it doesn't matter who says it. It's no different if an idiot calls another idiot an idiot, or whether a non-idiot calls an idiot an idiot.

If the n-word is judged racist, it's racist, no matter who says it.
For one thing, if only 'black' people are allowed to use it, then you just end up with reverse racism: exclusion of the 'white' people, and we're no better off than we were before.

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Originally posted by Dinko:
Why exactly is it ok for African-Americans to use the 'n-word' but not for white people to use it?

This is pure and outright social hypocrisy. If the word has racist connotations, it has racist connotations and that's the end of that.
An idiot is an idiot, and it doesn't matter who says it. It's no different if an idiot calls another idiot an idiot, or whether a non-idiot calls an idiot an idiot.

If the n-word is judged racist, it's racist, no matter who says it.
For one thing, if only 'black' people are allowed to use it, then you just end up with reverse racism: exclusion of the 'white' people, and we're no better off than we were before.

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Black people started using that word amongst themeselves jockingly to mock and make fun of the white people who used it (it actually started in prisons and then spread out). The point was so that they could become insensitive to it, and it was no longer a put down. Eventually it became common slang, and took on some other meanings, when used in certain context. Today its used mainly by gangters or wanna be gansters, who admire or influenced by prison life. Its no longer really ment to mean anything racial. You can replace words or expression like Friend, Dude, Boy, My Man, and stuff like that.
I find that within every culture, there is always a word used amongts those people commonly as slang, but is offensive if anybody else says it.

The fact that White people aren't allowed to say it is a cruel joke. Because if its used in the same manner as a Black person would say it, its not offensive at all! Yet Black people just have the urge to try and start a fight about it. No real reason, I guess they just feel obligated especially if other Black people are watching. If you ask why can't White say it if Black people can, you're not likely to get an answer that makes sense. There is no anwser, its "Just Because!".

By the way...not all Black people use this word...only ones with certian lifestyles.

NP- Intolerence - Carl Davis

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Originally posted by TimT:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Dinko:
[b]Why exactly is it ok for African-Americans to use the 'n-word' but not for white people to use it?

This is pure and outright social hypocrisy. If the word has racist connotations, it has racist connotations and that's the end of that.
An idiot is an idiot, and it doesn't matter who says it. It's no different if an idiot calls another idiot an idiot, or whether a non-idiot calls an idiot an idiot.

If the n-word is judged racist, it's racist, no matter who says it.
For one thing, if only 'black' people are allowed to use it, then you just end up with reverse racism: exclusion of the 'white' people, and we're no better off than we were before.
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Black people started using that word amongst themeselves jockingly to mock and make fun of the white people who used it (it actually started in prisons and then spread out). The point was so that they could become insensitive to it, and it was no longer a put down. Eventually it became common slang, and took on some other meanings, when used in certain context. Today its used mainly by gangters or wanna be gansters, who admire or influenced by prison life. Its no longer really ment to mean anything racial. You can replace words or expression like Friend, Dude, Boy, My Man, and stuff like that.
I find that within every culture, there is always a word used amongts those people commonly as slang, but is offensive if anybody else says it.

The fact that White people aren't allowed to say it is a cruel joke. Because if its used in the same manner as a Black person would say it, its not offensive at all! Yet Black people just have the urge to try and start a fight about it. No real reason, I guess they just feel obligated especially if other Black people are watching. If you ask why can't White say it if Black people can, you're not likely to get an answer that makes sense. There is no anwser, its "Just Because!".

By the way...not all Black people use this word...only ones with certian lifestyles.

NP- Intolerence - Carl Davis

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And Wangsters!

After all, they aren't well paid so gun safety and police training aren’t prerequisites. Anyway, one of these mental giants tried to scare his girlfriend’s hiccups away and accidentally shot her in face killing her.

Moral of the story is that people should take guns seriously and using them as a means to frighten your daughter’s date, even in a movie, is pretty stupid.

I'd like to ask Sean, that with the cultural and political sensitivies you have (nothing wrong with those mind you) how could you have been interested in seeing this film?

Who here doubted it would be perverse, overly vulgar, and unashamedly politically incorrect?

Like most people here, I love movies and I try to see as many as I can, especially if it's free (who wouldn't?).

Look, anyone going to ANYTHING done by Michael and Jerry Bruckheimer (or just the latter for that matter) knows what to expect: not very much.

scoreguy16, I have no idea where you come into the picture, I don't remember reading anything by you in this thread. So, no, I was not attacking you personally.

SPOILER WARNING

Kiefer Sutherland is still basically a cop when he brutally murders Victor Drazen in the last episode, talk about unprofessional behaviour

END OF SPOILER

And the point is not if you like the movies or not , the point is that no one ever complained about the violence or harsh language in them and clearly Bad Boys 2 has you rattled so much.

About the rap thing even artists who are considered to be more intellectual or less hardcore like A Tribe Called Quest or De La Soul use the N word so I doubt you can find an artist that doesn't, not counting Eminem who would be a rascist if he used it, which I don't think he does.

But it's your good right to not like Bad Boys 2, hell I really hated Matrix: Reloaded it's just that I think the reasons for not liking it are not exclusive to Bad Boys 2 and yet it seems like you think it is.

Its a MICHAEL BAY SUMMER POPCORN FLICK WITH WILL SMITH AND MARTIN LAWRENCE.