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SCimmerian Standard Userer	A real turkey this film is and the "score" by Badelt is an atrocity.The main theme is ripped from Zimmer's Gladiator score-it is the Maximus theme.He even rips off Kilar's Dracula music-in fact it is so similar I thought that they used it in the film.This score is a real distraction-hack music badly spotted.I wonder what Silvestri came up with?This film makes make Cutthroat Island look good-and Debney's score for that was the only think going for it.Johnny Depp was a real embarassment. The girl was nice to look at though.
posted 07-09-2003 04:38 PM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	I'm getting a mixed message here...could you more clearly define your opinion of the movie and score? Just kidding. Oh well...maybe my expectations will actually be lowered enough to actually enjoy the movie. (Probably not though...)
posted 07-09-2003 05:45 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	It's been understood that Hans doesn't like ripping off his own score cause he always send in his protoge to do the dirty work when the job means copying the temp.
posted 07-09-2003 06:01 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I thought the film was at the very least entertaining. I mean the VFX were really nifty The score wasn’t all that great, Badelt has done better. Heh, even my friend said "The music was very Jerry Bruckheimer." I do wish Silvestri was kept. --Brian
posted 07-09-2003 11:12 PM PT (US)

franz_conrad Standard Userer	Over at Ain't it Cool (no, it ain't) Harry Knowles gushes about the film and the fact that Johnny Depp is god among pirates. Amusingly, the know-it-all Knowles praises "Alan Silvestri's fantastic score". And this is the man who dared to review The Two Towers score first on the net!! (All respect intended to SoundtrackNet - I know you guys were the first reviewers...)
posted 07-09-2003 11:37 PM PT (US)

James Standard Userer	I couldn't disagree more about the film. Sure, it was like a big, loud cartoon, but it was a good cartoon. It was really the actors that made it work. Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush are both positively brilliant, and they generate suspense just by being in the same frame because they're both just so good at stealing the show. Depp said in an interview that he played Jack Sparrow as if he were a cross between Keith Richards and Pepe Le Pew. That alone should sum up his performance (and the spirit of the entire film) for everyone. Honestly, I had a great time. This is the first good movie Gore Verbinski has made since Mouse Hunt. But that score...Mr. Cimmerian and I are in total agreement there. What a fantastically awful piece of tripe. Maybe if I had never heard anything by Hans Zimmer or his disciples it would have been astounding, but instead it's the most basic, predictable, distracting pile of moldy socks you could imagine. People who can't get enough of that brand of action music (dadadadadada-DUH-DUH dadadadadadadada-DUH-DUH) will eat it up, and if that's your thing, I wholly respect that and highly recommend the CD when it comes out. But I'll be staying far away from it. Aside from that, my only other major problem with the film was the unforgivable waste of Jonathan Pryce. I simply can't understand why anyone would want to cast JONATHAN PRYCE in such a boring, insignificant, uninteresting role. This film had a great triumvirate of genius actors in Depp, Rush, and Pryce, but Pryce's genius was tossed in the trash. Overall, a very entertaining movie. If you think you're going to like it, you probably will. If you think you won't, you won't. Just remember what Depp said about his character: Keith Richards meets Pepe Le Pew. If that sounds too ridiculous to you, don't see this movie. Kirk NP - Beyond Rangoon...Zimmer's last great work, which (if I'm not mistaken) also has a cameo in Pirates.
posted 07-10-2003 12:39 AM PT (US)

SPQR Standard Userer	I've never been willing to pay to go see a Bruckscammer film, but with all the praise Depp is getting for his out-there performance, I may finally have to conceed defeat and pony up that $10 afterall. Couldn't care less about the score...except, that if I went, I'd have to hear it.
posted 07-10-2003 01:27 AM PT (US)

Dinko Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by James: People who can't get enough of that brand of action music (dadadadadada-DUH-DUH dadadadadadadada-DUH-DUH) will eat it up, and if that's your thing, I wholly respect that and highly recommend the CD when it comes out. But I'll be staying far away from it. If the action music resembles The Rock (or the 20-minute action cue from The Peacemaker) more than it does Gladiator, it sounds like something I might actually like.
posted 07-10-2003 06:03 AM PT (US)

Rich Douglas Standard Userer	Im with you Dinko, but Damnit people, does the movie make any references to the disney ride it's based after?? Rich
posted 07-10-2003 08:17 AM PT (US)

Ace Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Rich Douglas: Im with you Dinko, but Damnit people, does the movie make any references to the disney ride it's based after?? Rich I noticed two things in the film that related to the ride. One is the famous "pirates life for me" song. As for the other, I won't really give it away since it may be fun to discover on your own, but it involves the prison scene.
posted 07-10-2003 09:59 AM PT (US)

Rich Douglas Standard Userer	Excellent! Did Badelt adapt the "Yo Ho" theme? Hope so. Rich
posted 07-10-2003 10:31 AM PT (US)

JJH Standard Userer	Movie's getting some fairly good reviews; see Time Magazine for one. As for the score -- it's by Badelt, a rush job, and so therefore I reserve judgment till I see the movie. There are many fine composers working today and he is not one of them, though he does have talent, he has yet to truly capitalize. If it's anything like The Peacemaker, I'll want to kill myself with one. NP -- Spartacus, North
posted 07-10-2003 02:01 PM PT (US)

Rich Douglas Standard Userer	Just saw the film... and I Loved it! Most fun Ive had in a long time. Many nods to the ride (of course) and for a rush job I actually quite enjoyed the score. Sure it's got your everyday MV sound to it, but I thought it fit the film very well and Ill definately be picking up the score when released later this month. Depp totally reincarnated his actions from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and mixed those movements with a more sophisticated character making him a very fun character to watch. Go see it, some of you are simply to serious and intense about films to enjoy it, but for those of you that like going to the movies everynow and again to simply be entertained... go, fun fun film. Rich
posted 07-10-2003 07:10 PM PT (US)

Steve Hughes Standard Userer	Liked the movie, but did it have to be 2hours and 20minutes??? Too long! Apart from that it was good fun, and Depp rocked. I found Badelt's score to be distracting. Sure, it was a rush job, but sure he could've done better than plastering it with the usual, unispired Media Venture wallpaper? That bounding Zimmer march that repeats itself twice and ends with dum-dum-dumdum? Silvestri's mastery was missed...
posted 07-11-2003 11:50 AM PT (US)

Jeremy Non-Standard Userer	To be honest- The film was not that bad. I'm a film/tv major at a local school of the arts here in Jacksonville Florida (What prestiege huh?) and I found it to be a wonderful 2 hrs and 15 mins of escape. We need movies you can just sit back and enjoy every once and a while. And because my family is filled wth Disney fanatics I was able to pick out specific nods to the ride, which I found to be quite entertaining. Overall the reason I felt the movie worked was because it stayed true to the feeling you get riding the ride. The inert sense of danger, the comedy, and the enjoyment. And as for Badelt's score. I am not a fan of him, but I was not able to pick up his "rip off" of the GLADIATOR theme, and because I have not heard a lot of Zimmers earlier work, the music was not so much of a dissapointment. I will have to hear it on it's own to make a firm and just desicion about it. However it did work well in supporting the story of the film, which is the true use of music in film. A tool with which to tell the story. I think it "supported" well enough in the story, and so I am not going to bash it. Like I said, I'm going to have to hear it on it's own before I can make a judgement.
posted 07-11-2003 06:23 PM PT (US)

TV's Frank Standard Userer	Just got back from seeing this with my wife, we both thoroughly enjoyed the film, its performances and story. However, her first words to me as the credits rolled were "Are all the Zimmer clones one-trick ponies?" She has learned much about film music since being married to me and she knows she hates the Zimmer School of Non-Style. I must admit, I thought the music worked AGAINST the film several times, hammering around like the end of the world was at stake. All Badelt could haul out were the big Zimmer POWER CHORDS of Backdraft/Crimson Tide/ConAir/The Rock/Gladiator infamy? Seriously, why does anyone enjoy this simple minded drivel? The score has all the orchestra playing all the same notes at the same time and sounding like one amped up synth. It's a waste of good union orchestra players. This film needed Silvestri's nimble strings, melodic brass and woodwind counterpoints. I think it's amazing that my wife and I enjoyed the film as much as we did, despite the amateurish banging of Zimmer Clone #836.
posted 07-11-2003 09:32 PM PT (US)

ESB Standard Userer	Great story Frank. You and your wife hit the nail on the head. I think the Mafia Ventures, err MEDIA Ventures, concept is horrifying. Zimmer clones putting their synthesizer in repeat mode and mindless people are accepting and buying it while the big bucks are roling in and they laugh their ass off. Maybe it's not that simple but when you think about it, it comes to that. A very sad development. And after this hostile Pirates score takeover led by MV's Bruckheimer they lost every ounce of respect from me. Or lets say they have awoken me. [Message edited by ESB on 07-13-2003]
posted 07-12-2003 04:26 AM PT (US)

Donovan448 Standard Userer	The score was as bad as the movie. It seems like everyone is living in the past now. Reusing music, remaking music, remaking movies or watching older movies because there are not any good ones. Where are the brillant people, whom create original music and scripts? I hope they emerge soon! This movie would have gone down in flames if it weren't for Johnny Depp. He was funny in certain parts but I almost fall asleep durring the middle and the end. There is plenty of action but it is lame as well as the script. This movie was made for people that have short attention spans. In other words, it was another Armeggedon movie. I wish someone in Hollywood would fire Jerry Bruckeimer. He creates too many bad movies. In my opinion, this movie is worse than all the Sopa Opera series on TV. Yes, it is that bad. I rolled my eyes several times. Jonny Depp gets captured, then he is set free. Jonny Depp gets captured, then he ecapes. Jonny Depp gets captured, then he ecapes. The British were casted as morions. I can't believe the British would cature a ship by sending all their crew to another ship when there were only two people on that ship. COME ON, the very thought is insulting! The whole movie is plan and STUPID! Not an ounce of excitement. I should have seen T3 again. Don [Message edited by Donovan448 on 07-12-2003]
posted 07-12-2003 07:17 AM PT (US)

ESB Standard Userer	Very funny: some guy at the FSM forum named MV in a way a "monkey scoring factory"
posted 07-12-2003 08:53 AM PT (US)

Big Owl Non-Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by ESB: Very funny: some guy at the FSM forum named MV in a way a "monkey scoring factory" Ha-ha, that's Michael Ware for you...that man has taste.
posted 07-12-2003 12:11 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Standard Userer	The film has its moments: there are a few good laughs, some fair fencing, that moment when Depp is "killed". The girl is beautiful. But, even if this was never intended to be taken seriously, a lot of the fun is killed by a rambling, climax-after-climax approach that could have easily been tightened up. The film lurches from one good moment to shtik I'd rather not see. Depp is...what? Good. But affected. Even if you think he's giving us yet another interesting performance in his catalogue, did it have to be this one? The score? It just didn't seem to do or add anything. The end credits were interesting. One composer, then Zimmer as producer, than additional music by like 5 more guys and then another 4 as orchestrators. During the end credits there were a lot of different phrases, and I was like, "Well, that's composer #6 kicking in." Of course, just because the score is a mongrel alone is no reason to condemn it (after all the Universal B-movies from the 50s mostly have good scores from a similar approach). But as I said, it just seemed generic. At least, it wasn't a synth score or used its chorus at in-opportune moments.
posted 07-12-2003 08:55 PM PT (US)

otten Standard Userer	It seems that many people here didn't like the score or the movie. As for the score, I thought it was pretty good. Most people who know me know that I mostly enjoy all the Media Ventures stuff, and while I did enjoy the score somewhat, to tell you the truth I wasn't really paying attention to it. You see, I was too busy enjoying the movie. i thought it was great. Johnny Depp was absolutely incredible. His introduction alone was worth the price of admission. Overall, I thought the movie was great, because I had been looking forward to a good pirate movie, and this delivered. Swordfights, swinging from the masts, debauchery of all sorts, what more could you ask for? It seems that some of you took this movie too seriously... this is pure popcorn. And again, as if we haven't had enough of these discussions, there are many people who don't consider MV scores "simple minded drivel" and are not "mindless" people for liking them. I like what a like. And I certainly would not toss insults towards people who listen to other kinds of scores. I don't want to get into an blown out of proportion argument, but I just don't understand how people can make such comments. And I have been around long enough on these boards to have heard every type of comment. It just gets old after years and years of hearing the same stuff. Ed
posted 07-12-2003 09:02 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	Keira Knightly is amazingly gorgeous, but the real star of PIRATES is the donkey in the blacksmith shop. When he kicked up and started walking at the site of that burning hot poker, after being scorched with it by Jack Sparrow a few minutes earlier, I laughed non-stop for several minutes. That kind of humor is a sign of genius, I tell you. Ryan
posted 07-12-2003 10:31 PM PT (US)

MarkA Standard Userer	Just got back from seeing it. Loved the movie, loved the score. Whoever said that they hear Gladiator themes doesn't know Gladiator.
posted 07-12-2003 10:55 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	I saw it today. I concur with my girlfriend's opinion that this was a movie that has everything, suspense, romance, action, adventure, and most of all, FUN! The first two sequence really defined what the movie really is and the intro to Jack Sparrow is HELLA FUNNY! Kiera Knightly is beautiful and very capable. I'll be looking out for her turn as Guinevere in Arthur next year. Jonathan Pryce is wasted. Geoffrey(sp?) Rush hams it up real well and Johnny Depp threw himself into the role like always. There's more to the backstory than I had thought. It paces along pretty well without any slow parts. The action is like what I'd expect from a swashbuckling adventure, with convincing swordplays and set. The battle on the ship seems drawnout but that's a minor gripe. The integration of CGI and live action is convincing but I bet it has alot to do with the editing, which sometime is too quick. Not alot of Bruckheimer touches beside the music. The music.... It has become pretty clear to me why Hans doesn't work for Bruckheimer anymore and just turn everything over to his protoges. I'm a pretty hardcore MV fan since Hans first Oscar nom, but this is rediculous. I was AMAZED at how many time the Gladiator Waltz was reinterpreted with swashbuckling style themes and arrangements. Props to Hans' crew (not Hans) for doing a competent ripoff of the Waltz and the Tribal War material and the Kilar stuff and TTRL. Klaus has better be careful or else he'd end up being the next Nick Glennie-Smith of the action scene. But 3/4 of the time, the music did supported the movie and that's what counts. I don't care what Alan Silvestri had to offer because half the time, it's the producer who's responsible for what's gonna be on screen. It's only a job afterall. At least Trevor Rabin didn't do it or else we have more to complain about. It's funny. I remember back to Black Rain and Backdraft when Hans was complaining that people were ripping off his stuff after it came out. I guess Hans finally figure out that he'd rather have his own students do the deed. Props.
posted 07-12-2003 11:40 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by MarkA: Just got back from seeing it. Loved the movie, loved the score. Whoever said that they hear Gladiator themes doesn't know Gladiator. Not themes, just the rhythmic phrasing of the waltz being reused. But since the waltz itself relies on a specific progression of chords and melody. Thus. anything that is interpreted from the waltz will sound very similar to it.
posted 07-12-2003 11:48 PM PT (US)

joan hue Standard Userer	The movie was great fun. I own Gladiator, and I agree with Hadrian. The "rhythmic phrasing" AND orchestrations of the main theme were identical to the Gladiator waltz, too close of a fit IMHO, but the melody was different. Perhaps the movie was temped with Gladiator, and Silvestri said he wouldn't mimic it. I liked the theme that was played when the "good" boat was being chased, and it threw its anchor into the water to turn. [Message edited by joan hue on 07-13-2003]
posted 07-13-2003 08:09 AM PT (US)

Vladimir Standard Userer	My girlfriend and i went to see the movie lastnight and i thought it was a good movie. It started out a bit slow but then picked up with all the action.Johnny Depp was awesome as far as i am concerned. I never saw him play a role as a Pirate before. As for the score i liked it, nothing great but it was worth it. I will pick it up july 22nd and why does everyone think it sounded like Gladiator???? Are we smokin something?? I could barely hear a same rythm that sounded like Gladiator.
posted 07-13-2003 09:33 AM PT (US)

Quill Standard Userer	Fun movie...though without Depp (who I feel was the glue) it would not have held together. Enjoyable summer outing and I will leave it at that. I would agree with some folks that it could have easily been cut to two-hours. As for the score...didn't bother me. I will pick it up and add to the collection. It will get a few good spins.
posted 07-13-2003 10:50 PM PT (US)

Camillu Standard Userer	Finally saw the movie today. I agree with all those above who said it was definetely a fun movie. Unless you go in expecting a masterpiece, you'll come out very entertained. Depp was brilliant, and I usually dislike his work. The score was usual MV fare, and very loud. The parts I liked were that little jig that starts off the CD, especially when it's heard as Turner and Sparrow defy physics whilst walking under that row-boat. During the face-off between the Interceptor and the Black Pearl, as Sparrow swings across from ship to ship, you can close your eyes and imagine youself in a colloseum Overall - good stuff. 2 questions: 1. Did anyone hang around after the credits? IMDB.com says there's some extra scene - what is it exactly? 2. It is a fun score, and it's very noticeable in the film, but how on earth did it climb to #1 at Amazon??? When's the last time that happened? Phantom Menace?
posted 08-31-2003 03:35 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Camillu: 1. Did anyone hang around after the credits? IMDB.com says there's some extra scene - what is it exactly? 2. It is a fun score, and it's very noticeable in the film, but how on earth did it climb to #1 at Amazon??? When's the last time that happened? Phantom Menace? There's a little bit at the end with Barbosa's monkey. The last score to hit Amazon's top 10 was CHILDREN OF DUNE. Ryan
posted 08-31-2003 08:54 PM PT (US)

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