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    Topic:   CLASH OF THE MUSICAL TITANS

     perfpitch
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    Today I attended an all-day marathon of Ray Harryhausen classics (MIGHTY JOE YOUNG, THE VALLEY OF GWANGI, THE BEAST FROM 20,000 FATHOMS and EARTH VS. THE FLYING SAUCERS) at the American Cinematheque in Hollywood. Ray, in town from his home in London to receive his long-overdue star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, was there to introduce each film, answer questions and sign autographs. Other luminaries were present for Q & A, including MIGHTY JOE star Terry Moore, and screenwriters Lou Morheim (20,000 FATHOMS) and Bernard Gordon (who co-wrote FLYING SAUCERS under the Blacklist-mandated pseudonym, Raymond T. Marcus). A particular treat was seeing and hearing Ray and his lifelong friend, Ray Bradbury), sitting side-by-side discussing BEAST FROM 20,000 FATHOMS.

    The night before, CLASH OF THE TITANS was screened. In a display case in the the theater's forecourt was an advance one-sheet poster from the film, which differed from the regular posters issued at the time of CLASH's relase in one significant detail:

    It read "Music by John Barry."

    Now, as we all know, Laurence Rosenthal actually wrote the music for the film -- a score that compares favorably with, say, Franz Waxman's wonderful PRINCE VALIANT score. What I'd like to know is whether anyone out there has any details of how Barry's announced involvement gave way to Rosenthal's.

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    posted 06-15-2003 02:15 AM PT (US)     

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    Would have like to have gone myself, but I've been having a hell of a time finding a replacement 6 volt sealed headlight for my friggin Bug. Some *!#%@! stole it. Dismantled, and swiped the whole bloody casing. So I can't drive the damn thing after sunset until I find one.

    I suppose you enjoyed yourself?

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    posted 06-15-2003 04:54 AM PT (US)     

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    What a lucky dog! Did you ever see the Museum of Modern Art's Harryhausen exhibit in New York during the late seventies?

    As a fellow collector of one-sheets, sometimes an advance poster can have a different title as in REVENGE OF THE JEDI, which was pulled when Lucas heeded complaints from fans and renamed the film RETURN OF THE JEDI.

    Hearing John Barry's name to that film is strange. In a way, it would have been a stretch for him, considering that this would have been his first fantasy film, but I have no further info to add.


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    posted 06-15-2003 07:47 AM PT (US)     

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    I found this on a music of Harryhausen films website:

    The other composers to contribute to the films of Ray Harryhausen include Roy Budd for SINBAD AND THE EYE OF THE TIGER and Laurence Rosenthal scored CLASH OF THE TITANS. A score was originally composed by John Barry and Rosenthal's score replaced the Barry score.

    And this from a "Film Score Daily" column over on the FSM website from about a year ago:

    In answer to your question regarding John Barry and the score to "Clash Of The Titans" apparently Barry DID write a score. Ray Harryhausen has been quoted as (tersely) saying:"John Barry wrote a musical score for "Clash Of The Titans." We couldn't use it."

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    posted 06-15-2003 08:59 AM PT (US)     

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    Perf, I'm jealous. Seeing such giant living legends in the flesh must have been wondrous. Harryhausen and Bradbury add up to 166 years of existence! Ray H was already bald when working on MIGHTY JOE YOUNG. Has he grown any hair on his pate since?

    The 2 Rays - Two great, legendary Rays, almost Manta Rays.

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    posted 06-15-2003 03:43 PM PT (US)     

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    Hearing John Barry's name to that film is strange. In a way, it would have been a stretch for him, considering that this would have been his first fantasy film, but I have no further info to add.

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    This film wouldn't have been a 'stretch' for Barry at all, He was more than capable of writing a score for this type of film (check out King Kong, White Buffalo!), in fact Barry is probably closer to Herrmann than most film composers in style, massive french horns and stuff...he'd have hit this one running!

    p.s. As far as I know, Barry wrote NO music for this film!


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    posted 06-15-2003 05:27 PM PT (US)     

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    Thinkr,

    Many of my friends, who are stop-motion animators, also attended Ray's Hollywood Walk of Fame Ceremony and the film screenings at the American Cinematheque. It sounds like it was a wonderful ceremony.

    As for John Barry's involvement in "Clash of the Titans," let me pull out my February 1999 issue of Cinefantastique, an issue entirely devoted to the art of stop-motion with an exceptional article on Harryhausen's career, which will answer your question.

    "Early posters announced that John Barry was to the score the film (Clash). Enthused Charles Schneer, "He's hard at work and has been inspired by the picture as he's seen it. We hope to hear from him in about two months."

    "(From Harryhausen) John Barry was going to do it, but that never matured. The advertising got out before the deal was consummated."

    So Barry attended a screening and very much wanted to score it, but it just never reached fruition, for whatever reason. I do enjoy Rosenthal's score, but I would love to hear what John Barry would have done.

    Best Regards,
    Dylan

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    posted 06-15-2003 07:17 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Timmer:

    Hearing John Barry's name to that film is strange. In a way, it would have been a stretch for him, considering that this would have been his first fantasy film, but I have no further info to add.


    This film wouldn't have been a 'stretch' for Barry at all, He was more than capable of writing a score for this type of film (check out King Kong, White Buffalo!), in fact Barry is probably closer to Herrmann than most film composers in style, massive french horns and stuff...he'd have hit this one running!

    p.s. As far as I know, Barry wrote NO music for this film!

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    Timmer,

    I admire John Barry's skills as the next person of my generation, but I did not care for his KING KONG, or the WHITE BUFFALO. I can criticize someone if, by the dramatic scope of the film, I feel that it doesn't move me in a certain way. That is my right, as it is yours.

    When it comes to films of this ilk, I will still take Max Steiner, unless you think Barry's THE LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER or DANCES WITH WOLVES is better than THE SEARCHERS.


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    posted 06-15-2003 07:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Fair enough James, I respect your opinion.

    Just for the record (as if anyone cares ), I prefer Barry's Kong over Steiner's and I think Dances With Wolves is a better score than The Searchers!

    To each our own eh?!

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    posted 06-16-2003 03:12 AM PT (US)     

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    To add to my original posting, today the Cinematheque ran the final two films in this weekend's Harryhausen festival, ONE MILLION YEARS, B.C. (which I first saw as a twelve-year-old at least as interested in the fantasy that was Raquel Welch as the ones animated by Ray H. in support of her), and FIRST MEN IN THE MOON, probably my second favorite of all Harryhausen's films (Lionel Jeffries's superb performance as Prof. Cavor is almost certainly the most full-blooded, engaging, and nuanced of any character in a Harryhausen film, which is also probably better-written than anything in the Dynamation canon -- reason enough for loving the movie).

    The print run this evening was astoundingly beautiful. Recently struck, it retained the original prints' Technicolor look and texture, but with a sharpness the earlier prints cannot match. It showed off the film's marvellous use of color and 2.35:1 widescreen to superb advantage, and I'm very glad to have had the opportunity to experience it.

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    posted 06-16-2003 03:47 AM PT (US)     

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    This is wee bit off-topic, but do movie plexes that play restored prints all the time?
    Or is it a product of festivals and retrospectives such as the Harryhausen?


    (There was a theater in Abilene, TX that used to show great stuff like Touch of Evil, Ben-Hur, Spartacus, Singin' in the Rain, and always to a packed house -- so I use this place as reference.)

    Where in LA might one go?

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    posted 06-17-2003 02:22 AM PT (US)     

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    In L.A. the general public has a choice of:

    The Motion Picture Academy of Arts and Sciences' Samuel Goldwyn Theatre

    The Los Angeles County Museum's Leo S. Bing Theatre

    UCLA's James Bridges Theatre

    The American Cinematheque at the Egyptian Theatre (with a second location soon to be added in Santa Monica)

    The Nuart Theatre in West L.A.


    Additionally, various film studios sometimes conduct for their employees "vault screenings" of their, and other studios', classic titles which, obviously isn't of much use to the public at large.

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