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Originally posted by Erik Woods:
Is it just me or does Beltrami's "Opening" cue sound a lot like John Ottman's Apt Pupil theme!

-Erik-

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It's not just you! The resemblance is remarkable...which is not to say it's a bad track.

Ironically, I think that opening cue sounds like something a composer would write for a scene that was temp-tracked with Fiedel's Terminator theme. They're very similar in tone and mood. It makes me wonder what the big deal was with using the original in the rest of score.

Regardless of any of that, I think these clips sound very promising. Better, in fact, than I was expecting. I hope the rest is as good.

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
the "Terminator groan" (what the hell can you call it?) at the end of the cue seems to sound more feminine... Or maybe I'm hearing things.

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Indeed it does! Makes sense, given the female Terminator this time around (not that the machines are actually "male" and "female" but you know what I mean).

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the album.

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
If Varese thinks they're going to lose business because of three crappy-sounding tracks on the composer's official website, they're sadly "a mistaken."

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I can see Jeff's enthusiasm for wanting the clips on his site: a) it brings in visitors and makes it worthwhile and b) helps promote the score. But, I've been in a similiar situation, so I know firsthand that a label who retains the rights to a certain score have to protect themselves. Just makes sense to me.

Me thinks there's a more accurate answer (it's probably in the cloudy answer provided by Ryan above, but my eyeballs are calloused). Someone get a copy-and-paste from Varese, in their words, why the clips were removed. We're looking for something along the lines of "getting proper permission" or "music rights issues," etc. Leave the fanboy crap out of these discussions already. The fanboy excuse is as stale as the jokes about Martha re-decorating her jail cell.

Jeff, did you get an email from Varese?

I believe what is important to understand here, if in fact no authorizations were obtained, is that there are proper channels to doing things correctly in ANY industry, film music or otherwise.

I am baffled that a confidential composer-fan relationship has exploded a THIRD time in just about as many weeks. Maybe three times is the charm, and we'll finally understand:

When a composer provides a CD of his/her music to you, it is expressly for your PERSONAL use. In other words, by handing you a CD, no authorizations or other "right" as applied to PUBLIC display (be it uploading clips on an fan site or, these days, even discussing such a CD in a public place) have been granted. NONE!

Dan Goldwasser, Ryan Keaveny and now Jeff Johns. Let us PLEASE learn and finally understand that, when our composer buddies "give" us CDs or digital files, they are for our personal use, and that's it. Make no mentions. Dangle no carrots.

Now, in the event that composers say "Go off into online land and give everyone sound clips," you had better cover yourself by:

FIRST, doing some research in order to find out whether or not the composer does indeed have enough legal ownership to give this permission to you. If he/she does, then:

SECOND, make sure you get this agreement on paper with signatures.

If permission is not granted along proper channels and you do with this music how you please, you are considered a renegade by studios and other involved copyright owners. A lot of the time, these rights owners will cut you off entirely from future authorizations, or will want to work closely with you the next time. Depends on, to them, how "important" (read: how much stirring up) your site is or can be.

Here's to hoping all webmasters of fan sites understand.... I want people to understand, if nothing more than to prevent all the negativity that churns and churns and churrrrns when this stuff comes up. We're tired of it.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Dan Goldwasser, Ryan Keaveny and now Jeff Johns. Let us PLEASE learn and finally understand that, when our composer buddies "give" us CDs or digital files, they are for our personal use, and that's it. Make no mentions. Dangle no carrots.

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You know very well that record labels (Varese more specifically) have asked for all the talk about composer promos and bootlegs to END on this board and similar boards.

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Originally posted by Jeff78:
I don't think what happened to ryan and dan should be talked about.. that's old news which everyone would like to forget i'm sure. It's now me on the table so feel free to agree or disagree with what i was trying to do but help promote the soundtrack release. but yes Peter, i see your point.
Although I did not get the cd from Marco or his assistant.

Jeff

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Funny how that "Matrix Reloaded" 2 CD issue that was the "HOT TOPIC" last week is now "old news."

I think what Peter is trying to do HERE (at MM) is avoid the fiasco that happened with that situation and I honor him for taking a hard line with it. Do I think it'll work or is the right answer...doubtful. But it's HIS site and he has the right to run it as he sees fit.

We're seeing in the last week how legally tricky the internet and file downloading/sharing has become. Between the stuff mentioned here and the "Hulk" movie being online and creating a riot over at Ain't It Cool News, I think we're seeing that there is more than one way to have "fanboys" pissed off and foaming at the mouth.

I had chosen to keep quiet about all the controversy from last week, but wanted to give some support to Peter who has been having a tough time here lately. We all have to remember that this is HIS site and if he asks you not to mention something we should try to honor it. Even if we disagree.

And Jeff...I hope you don't hit too much legal trouble for your site and the files there. Obviously you've got some support from Marco Beltrami, but maybe it's not enough these days. Remember all the trouble Intrada had about those Chris Young promos they helped produce?

James

James,
I went ahead and took all the media files. I have been getting rude e-mails. And I never heard about the Chris Young promo/intrada stories.

I'm not trying to get this thread started like the matrix reloaded post. no way. i'm not trying to argue with anyone. i have learned my leason. i'm just wondering what type pop quiz i'm about to get from the teachers in hollywood.

Jeff

A few cues were downloaded and they are pissed???!!!
OH for god's sake. It was 4 or 5 cues and in lower qaulity. Are they really worried no one will want MORE in excellant qaulity?!
If this is the way they are going to treat it, I say screw it. I won't buy the damn thing now.

Dan posting under a false name Peter? Some how I thought he was above that. Guess I was wrong. :-(

Jeff now is in a bad spot because he is now saying he did not get it from either Varese or Marco. Not good.

Jeff also got himself into trouble by making the clips longer than usual.

Usually, record labels will not mind if the clips are almost a minute, provided they are streamed or not able to be downloaded.

But, the usual 30-40 second clips are usually fine. From my experience, anyways.

Justin, Varese isn't just upset about clips being posted early, without permission. They also want to have the music presented in the best way possible, and it is up to them how they want that to be. They are the one's making the material available. Its their choice.

The issue may seem silly, but it really makes sense.

Joe

But I may come under the "tard" category.

"You've been terminated."

And change the thread title to:

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Originally posted by justin boggan:
"Terminator 2 sound clips now offline"

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