I apologize for not having the iron-fist of so many freekin' webmaster/moderators and not deleting said posts this past week. Business has been busy. I am hoping those of you who legitimately receive these composer promos have enough common sense to shut up about it. Have you seen me dangling carrots? It's not too hard.

I will ask the rest of you to refrain from posting in a thread when these bootleg/promos come up, and, in what might be very nice gesture, send me a note alerting me to the post.

Thank you for your understanding. Hopefully it is easy to understand the reasoning behind such moves. Other music / film music forums are run with the same rules regarding promos/bootlegs, so please do not take this as a hint of PeterK's deeeeeeep desire to rule the world.

My personal reasons for seeing these posts removed? The ugliest threads happen over bootlegs and composers promos, and I'd be just as happy to see them gone.

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Originally posted by perfpitch:
There are promos pressed by legitimate record labels which are not bootlegs, and the distinction should be made.

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AS A REMINDER, PLEASE DO NOT DISCUSS (OR EVEN MENTION) BOOTLEGS AND/OR COMPOSER PROMOS IN THIS FORUM. POSTS/THREADS WILL BE DELETED WHEN NOTICED.

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CSI 30min promo!

Does this mena you now have to delete your own thread Peter?

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Originally posted by OHMSS76:
And not all promos are properly paid for either....

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Same goes for official soundtrack releases as well..I always see someone asking for cdrs of regular released scores.

It is Lou, and not only that, hosting this board is a money loser and often demands a huge chunk of time (with $0 per hour pay) as I try and moderate it with the hope that we may keep the place from degenerating into an RMM or filmus or where ever discussions have truly gone bad. If this hope ever leaves me, the board will be shut down. Financially there is no reason for it. However, for the friendships and relationships such a community provides? That's the real reason we all have a user name and password. Despite all the bickering, the attitudes, and the extra crap, collecting and discussing movie music among your peers can be fun, provided we are tolerant of and respect as many perspectives as we can. It's a dirty job to "moderate" a board like this, given the hope I have for it.

Again, I agree there should be no moderation on some of these topics, however, industry thinks otherwise (maybe they'll one day reconsider after reading more on what others think makes a fan base work?). This board attempts to find the balance between meeting the demands of an industry and fulfilling the larger needs of a fan-based community. Not all fans are systematically attracted to one another in order to find as much unreleased stuff as possible. There are many who might be looking for just one album that was released at one time years ago, find it through this community, then proceed to hang around for a potentially intriguing discussion or two on why one person might favor the work of one composer over another.

Would "Heebie-Jeebies" be along the likes of "Critters?"

Or possibly a newer version of Gremlins, but soaked in radiation, so they will all be scabby with patches of hair all over.

Could we get John Carpenter to do it?

Wait a minute... Jeron needs a new film project...

I love film music,i love this genre of music and if the way to listen to some scores is to have a bootleg or promo,then i arrange it...I don't care if it's piracy or not,if they don't want us to have promos and bootlegs,they have a simple solution:

THE RECORD LABELS SHOULD RELEASE ALL SCORES

I usually don't buy or trade scores whitch exist in original cd's,but common:
THE RELIC
KOMODO
WHITE FANGS 2
I LOVE YOU TO DEATH
COMMANDO
PREDATOR
JADE

And many others,how could i listen to them if it wasn't with bootlegs and promos.....

Like i said i love movie scores.i don't make business selling them,i just listen and enjoy,so to me this talk is CR*P....

Nuno Cunha

If they recorded it from a dvd or not,it's not my problem,i just want to hear the score...

I mean let's face it,only this business makes us recurring to this sort of deals to appreciate a particular work from someone,i don't see a guy working with a director in a movie getting a promo of a film with all the scenes,i don't see a editor of a writter getting a special edition with all the notes from the writter,why should just some people,because they work with a composer to get the score,when it's not released....
Who makes that composer earn money.....it's the people who work with him,or us jerks who manytimes just go see a movie to hear in first hand the work of a particular composer?

So like i said I DON'T CARE IF IT'S PIRACY,I JUST WANT TO HEAR THAT PARTICULAR SCORE I LOVED SO MUCH

You wanna talk about boots?
Go to rec.music.movies.

No boots is good boots.

I'm kidding of course, very sorry, couldn't resist...trust me, I'm with you...

If you'll notice, I've removed your last post to this thread where you've called someone a Nazi. I've removed the "bite me" response from accused Nazi.

I advised ChrisN to contact you by email so you could play name games all day long, if you saw fit. Now, if you both don't want to carry on like prissy schoolkids by email, maybe some realizations have been made... by God, we are (and should be) better than that.

This discussion is dead. You've seen the reminder request. Jot it down, and move on.

I can't help it if ChrisN believes in the rules no matter what they are. I'm sure he'd be for Prohibiton if it were still on the books just because it was on the books, whereas I would be living it up in a speakeasy. ChrisN can hate boots all he wants, whereas I enjoy listening to mine.

Until the industry starts meeting the demand, then guys like me and Workaluk, are right in praising the black market. Everything needs to be available no matter how it gets there. The industry that asks you not to have boot discussions is the same industry that won't issue the stuff we want. If they want the boot discussions to end, they should issue the stuff legit so the need for boots disappears.

Since this is a film music issue, I can't see how you can keep it off the board. If people object to boots, then the pro-boot and anti-boot people should be allowed their discussions and name-calling.

This boots/promo "problem" is one issue. It's not the bane of this board's existence. When it comes to boots/promos discussion, yes.... GO TO REC.MUSIC.MOVIES. Is it so hard?

Here there will be none of it. I can think of no easier way to say it.

The industry is made up of people just like you and me. Actually, maybe not as cool as you, but that's not the point. The point is, if you are so gddamned adamant about the industry bending to what it is you want, I think it's time you tried to do something about it rather than sitback and complain here. That's too easy. Pool up some investors and a solid biz plan and get these scores licensed and into the hands of "we the people." If you don't like the licensing terms offered by those who own the music, offer up an alternative. What alternative? Who knows... this is where you come in and change the way things are done.

Good luck!

If you continue to keep on about how everything should be available no matter how it gets there, you'll need some good luck there too. You'll have the STPD breathing down your neck essentially all the time, and if this harassment doesn't spoil the enjoyment of listening to something, I don't know what does. But then again, some people like the heat and live for it. Whatever.

I dislike boots and the talk of boots because I'm in the business of making soundtrack albums. Bootlegs dilute the market and taint titles that should be released. I appreciate your passion for soundtrack music but resorting to personal insults will not make any points with anyone.

How about an apology for calling me a Nazi?

Chris Neel
MGM Music

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Originally posted by PeterK:
If this hope ever leaves me, the board will be shut down. Financially there is no reason for it.
........... Who knows, maybe one day it will not be here. Would anyone miss it, or would they simply move on to the next place? I dare myself to want to know the answer.

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Peter - do you honestly think sales figures over here at the board would be anything near what they are now if this board didn't exist? I don't think so.

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Originally posted by ChrisN:
Lou,

I dislike boots and the talk of boots because I'm in the business of making soundtrack albums. Bootlegs dilute the market and taint titles that should be released.

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Originally posted by PeterK:

Essentially, the store does not depend on the board for success in the least. If I don't understand your question, please tell me.

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No, no you understood it perfectly.

The figures are impressive, but I'm quite sure that if there was a way of working out how many customers are due to the boards (including people who read the boards but don't post, which are a lot, and relatives and friends of people who post, who are also quite numerous), the chunk would be much bigger.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying your site doesn't have enough steam to run as a music store, but I think the boards are what made this site famous, and the store was a natural progression from that.

Also, there are some great reviews accompanying some CDs on sale here - which is something I always look forward to when browsing online stores - and most of the better ones are contributed by regular posters here at the boards, since they visit often and contribute their views.

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