Anyone who thinks Soule's talents are sub-par or derivative, really must have their ears checked. That, or their noggens. It's as simple as that.

Also, check out Jeremy's new site (yeah, it's changed again!). This particular design is here to stay, and new features will slowly be added as the coming weeks progress, including more music for everyone to listen to.

http://www.jeremysoule.com

Jeron

Maybe next time!

The site is*...well you know what I think because I've told you many times before

Everyone, check out that link!

--Brian

NP: Titus

* = ****ing Bad @$$

I also attended the concert and I was simply floored by the music. Jeremy's piece was indeed amazing and I look forward to hearing more of his work, as I have only rather recently been introduced to his music.

I should also add that the entire concert was quite excellent, with stirring performances on all the works. This was my first time, and hopefully not the last time, to have seen seen the LA Master Chorale.

p.s. yes, I wish Brian was there too. :-P

Was JOHN WILLIAMS in attendance? Because Jeremy's old press releases used to make it out like Jeremy and JOHN WILLIAMS were quite close friends, colleagues and friendly competitors!

Ryan

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
Was JOHN WILLIAMS in attendance? Because Jeremy's old press releases used to make it out like Jeremy and JOHN WILLIAMS were quite close friends, colleagues and friendly competitors!

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That couldn't be further from the truth. I'm not sure what press releases you are talking about, I've seen 'em all and never once read anything that lent itself to that. I don't believe John Williams and Jeremy Soule even know each other, though I know Jeremy admires the man and his work (who doesn't?).

As far as their music is concerned, Jeremy's doing things in composition that Mr. Williams would never do. Last night's concert was certainly an awesome testament to that.

But, you sure are entitled to your opinion. I wish it were different, but hey, whatever.

Cheers,
Jeron

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haha, yes, the "secret" is out. (Although I had no idea that I had a reputation preceding me.)

But yes, I am Nadia: Jeron's roommate, Brian's friend, and a budding film music enthusiast.

Glad you are here!

--Brian

NP: The sound of my MPEG 4 encoder

I'm waiting for Soule's big break to be impressed!

(what an ego...!)

I wish I had had the time, money and company to attend the concert...sounds like I missed out on soemthign really special. Thanks for the update, Jeron.

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I'm waiting for Soule's big break to be impressed!

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some composers have a career outside of movies, ryan.

as someone who runs the danny elfman website, you should know this.

do you consider "pee wee" his big break? or maybe "dead man's party"?

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[b]I'm waiting for Soule's big break to be impressed!<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

some composers have a career outside of movies, ryan.

as someone who runs the danny elfman website, you should know this.

do you consider "pee wee" his big break? or maybe "dead man's party"?

soule has not had a big break in the film music industry, true. but for computer game scores, he's doing quite well.[/B]

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Indeed.

Soule is a very capable composer. He has proven that.

Jeremy is a great composer and a pleasent person to talk to. To say he is sub-par is silly.

His success in the gaming industry rivals Michael's. And if I'm correct, just because Michael moved into television, doesn't mean he is "better" than Jeremy. Alias, in my opinion, isn't anything special. Even though its not bad, either.

Jeremy is doing just fine where he is and I don't think wants to move into bigger things just yet, such as big films.

Mr. Soule stopped the pre orders for now. When the CD actually becomes available then he will sell more I'm sure.

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Benford,

Mr. Soule stopped the pre orders for now. When the CD actually becomes available then he will sell more I'm sure.

--Bri

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Where did you get your information, Brian? I wouldn't be so sure. This is more of a wait-and-see sort of thing. Everyone who pre-ordered a CD will eventually get their orders filled (for free, no less) -- however, I wouldn't count more copies going on sale.

The one thing that's really irking me though, is why it says 'composer and symphonist'? I mean, is the symphonist part really necessary? It sounds a bit pretentious if you ask me.
Also, can we have some more information on where he studied and what concert music he's written. Maybe some clips too?

If I remember right I think I got an e-mail from them like last year sometime.

I mean if you look at it, if the CD is not ready, why keep doing pre-orders till you know more about it?

You should have seen his "applause" section. I love this quote from his bio - "Artistry Entertainment is the most distributed provider of original "film-quality" music for the games industry."

Richard, I don't think identifying oneself as a symphonist is prententious in any way. It simply allows him to categorize himself a little better. Jeremy is a classically trained composer and approaches music in a very classical manner. That's just his style. Listen to any of this projects, ranging from Total Annihilation, to Azurik, to his Harry Potter series of scores... Quidditch World Cup is especially thrilling.

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Why does this thread keep getting bumped to the top? Argh!

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As long as their are naysayers blaspheming the name of Jeremy Soule, I will be there to defend it!

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You know what that makes you sound like right?...oh yes...I went there

Much love,
--Brian (and his "crew")

Ryan,

I'm gonna laugh when you eat your words with that Soule film comment...

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Vault, that quote would be true. Jeremy's music accompanies video game products that have sold more units than any other in the industry.

Richard, I don't think identifying oneself as a symphonist is prententious in any way. It simply allows him to categorize himself a little better. Jeremy is a classically trained composer and approaches music in a very classical manner. That's just his style. Listen to any of this projects, ranging from Total Annihilation, to Azurik, to his Harry Potter series of scores... Quidditch World Cup is especially thrilling.

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My amusement comes from the term "film-quality" as if just because the word "film" is there means it's good. There's a lot of crappy film music.

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Originally posted by VaultComplex:
My amusement comes from the term "film-quality" as if just because the word "film" is there means it's good. There's a lot of crappy film music.

A Symphonist is a member of a symphony or a composer that writes symphonies. Jeremy does neither. What does the fact that he's classically trained have to do with "symphonist." I don't see John Williams going around calling himself a Symphonist.

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::sigh:: I smell a little green monster. Dude, must I lay everything out for you? When Jeremy uses the term "film-quality," he's talking about great music that marries to images in a magical way. Some people have a talent for that, some don't. If you've got it, and you've done it, then ya know what? You can be as frickin' pretentious as you want. It's called bragging rights, and Jeremy has certainly earned them. So has Michael Giacchino, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, any of those guys. Jeremy's not a major motion film composer yet, but that doesn't mean the work he's currently doing isn't just as strenuous, if not more demanding on some levels than that of your A-list dudes.

As for calling himself a Symphonist? That's his perogative as well. Where do you get off dictating who should and who shouldn't sign their name with this title? For your information man, Jeremy has written a symphony, and one of its movements is (ironically) what this very post was originally about: Extasé. Those who attended would be lying if they said the thing didn't recieve a huge ovation and even some standing applause. Let me pull out the program... I've got it around here somewhere. Whoops, yep, there it is - looks like the Los Angeles Philharmonic is a symphony orchestra! Whooda thunk it??

If that wasn't enough, Jeremy is a hired resident composer for a symphony orchestra. It's not a well known orchestra, but it's a symphony orchestra nonetheless.

So, I'm left wondering who here's the one with the complex? Jeremy, for strutting his stuff? Or some Giacchino assistant. Nah, not Jeremy. Methinks it's the person posting the negative, uninformed opinions. Anyone who does the work Jeremy does, has the right stamp their credentials all over the damn place. Whether they decide to do that or not is their own business, not yours.

Jeremy Soule Fun Fact: According to your website Chris, you are 25 or 26 years old, and didn't get your first "interactive" gig until recently in 2002 for the groundbreaking Shrek Super Party, or whatever. Or did Pacman Fever come first? I've seen my 5 year old nephew playing both of those... I think it was all synth? Not that there's a problem with synth (Jeremy uses those, too), but it apparently didn't leave much of an impression. Regardless of its memorability, at your age that's an accomplishment nonetheless and you should be congratulated. I mean that. However, that being said, Jeremy wrote his first score for a video game at the age of 19 for SquareSoft (and still remains the only American composer to have ever written a score for one of their titles). Not but three years later at 22, Jeremy wrote his first (but not last) full-on orchestral onslaught for the Seattle Symphony (uh-oh... there's that word again). That would be Total Annihilation, a symphony or series of symphonies in its own right. Everyone I've known that's heard it usually do the inevitable triple take once they learn at 22 year old wrote the music. I know I did, and I was only 16 when I first happened across it. And then there's this award Jeremy recently won. Whatever's that worth, right? Crazy Brits...

Lastly, I'd like to say that yes, I'm biased. I openly admit that. My purpose here was not to hurt anyone's feelings or say anything ugly. However, I do get a little tired of the Soule bashing. It's hardly deserved, especially from working professionals who should have a respect for each other as contributing artists in similar (if not identical) industries. Why not admire and learn from each other, rather than criticize? It just seems pointless. If you've got a chip on your shoulder, go see a counselor. People who use message boards as a form of therapy... need therapy. Re: what I've said in response to questions dealing with Jeremy's integrity as an artist and how he chooses to identify himself, I do it in defense of someone I know to be a truly remarkable individual and someone deserving of high caliber work. Chris, if I knew your work and you as a creative person as well as I know Jeremy, I would more than likely go the distance for you as well.

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[b]My amusement comes from the term "film-quality" as if just because the word "film" is there means it's good. There's a lot of crappy film music.

A Symphonist is a member of a symphony or a composer that writes symphonies. Jeremy does neither. What does the fact that he's classically trained have to do with "symphonist." I don't see John Williams going around calling himself a Symphonist.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

::sigh:: I smell a little green monster. Dude, must I lay everything out for you? When Jeremy uses the term "film-quality," he's talking about great music that marries to images in a magical way. Some people have a talent for that, some don't. If you've got it, and you've done it, then ya know what? You can be as frickin' pretentious as you want. It's called bragging rights, and Jeremy has certainly earned them. So has Michael Giacchino, John Williams, Jerry Goldsmith, any of those guys. Jeremy's not a major motion film composer yet, but that doesn't mean the work he's currently doing isn't just as strenuous, if not more demanding on some levels than that of your A-list dudes.

As for calling himself a Symphonist? That's his perogative as well. Where do you get off dictating who should and who shouldn't sign their name with this title? For your information man, Jeremy has written a symphony, and one of its movements is (ironically) what this very post was originally about: Extasé. Those who attended would be lying if they said the thing didn't recieve a huge ovation and even some standing applause. Let me pull out the program... I've got it around here somewhere. Whoops, yep, there it is - looks like the Los Angeles Philharmonic is a symphony orchestra! Whooda thunk it??

If that wasn't enough, Jeremy is a hired resident composer for a symphony orchestra. It's not a well known orchestra, but it's a symphony orchestra nonetheless.

So, I'm left wondering who here's the one with the complex? Jeremy, for strutting his stuff? Or some Giacchino assistant. Nah, not Jeremy. Methinks it's the person posting the negative, uninformed opinions. Anyone who does the work Jeremy does, has the right stamp their credentials all over the damn place. Whether they decide to do that or not is their own business, not yours.

Jeremy Soule Fun Fact: According to your website Chris, you are 25 or 26 years old, and didn't get your first "interactive" gig until recently in 2002 for the groundbreaking Shrek Super Party, or whatever. Or did Pacman Fever come first? I've seen my 5 year old nephew playing both of those... I think it was all synth? Not that there's a problem with synth (Jeremy uses those, too), but it apparently didn't leave much of an impression. Regardless of its memorability, at your age that's an accomplishment nonetheless and you should be congratulated. I mean that. However, that being said, Jeremy wrote his first score for a video game at the age of 21 for SquareSoft (and still remains the only American composer to have ever written a score for one of their titles). Just a year later at 22, Jeremy wrote his first (but not last) full-on orchestral onslaught for the Seattle Symphony (uh-oh... there's that word again). That would be Total Annihilation, a symphony or series of symphonies in its own right. Everyone I've known that's heard it usually do the inevitable triple take once they learn at 22 year old wrote the music. I know I did, and I was only 16 when I first happened across it. And then there's this award Jeremy recently won. Whatever's that worth, right? Crazy Brits...

Lastly, I'd like to say that yes, I'm biased. I openly admit that. My purpose here was not to hurt anyone's feelings or say anything ugly. However, I do get a little tired of the Soule bashing. It's hardly deserved, especially from working professionals who should have a respect for each other as contributing artists in similar (if not identical) industries. Why not admire and learn from each other, rather than criticize? It just seems pointless. If you've got a chip on your shoulder, go see a counselor. People who use message boards as a form of therapy... need therapy. Re: what I've said in response to questions dealing with Jeremy's integrity as an artist and how he chooses to identify himself, I do it in defense of someone I know to be a truly remarkable individual and someone deserving of high caliber work. Chris, if I knew your work and you as a creative person as well as I know Jeremy, I would more than likely go the distance for you as well.

[Message edited by Jeron on 04-07-2004][/B]

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You know… I've been on this board a long time. I have been here since it opened (going on 5 years next week I might add) and I have seen a lot of people come and go, but I have never seen the amount of people on this board criticize a composer like what has been going on here for the past few weeks/months. Your posts on the subject of one Mr. Jeremy Soule have always been too critical and slightly egotistical for my taste. You never seem to offer any kind of positive discussion either and so here I am, saying something about it. Granted I don't have an issue with you personally, but when you keep this negative vibe you've got going here it really sets a negative tone for the whole place. That doesn't go for just you. That's a generalization that applies to several people (and you know who you are). I had a friend who was here once… some of you might remember Scott. Good friend and nice guy. He told me once that the reason he stopped posting was because of the lame **** that was going down here and also at FSM. It's important to remember that above all, we all have a love for film music (and film-like-game music). We're a small community! Yet, I see so many people spouting out their overbearing, unthought-out criticisms. You know, there was a time when it was all about just enjoying the music for the music. As fans, you would figure that's something we all share in common. Not even 10 years ago, the attitude about other peoples' work was much more positive. So I'll say it again as I have done so often. Remember why you are here. It's about the music. It's called Moviemusic.com. Not "let's see how many times we can criticize a composer." I doubt you do it intentionally (maybe you do), but regardless, you gotta put a gauge on yourself.

Now, I understand you are a young composer in your own right. As with anything, developing your craft is all important. Maybe you are jealous, I don't know. I also see that you have written some of the music for some interactive games like ALIAS and Shrek, which is cool. Jeron's right when he says you should be congratulated - there are plenty of young composers who would die to have those gigs. But hey, and I say this not to be rude, but maybe you should spend more time on your own life than posting and pondering about Jeremy and Julian Soule's work. It's obvious you do when you are so quick to post such a barrage of critism. With someone as young as yourself, and if I were writing music (and I wish I could) I'd keep my ears open to as much as I could. Because to be a deaf composer is just not a good thing (unless of course you're Beethoven). The world of film and TV is a very collaborative and organic process, I know, I'm an editor and occasional director but to have this kind of negative response toward people is just insulting to them. Not to mention silly for your reputation. If Michael Giacchino saw some of the things you wrote, I'm sure he'd be embarrassed. Film music is an art. Respect should be key.

The music that both Soule Brothers write (who I hope to meet some day) is stunning. A good example is Quidditch World Cup and the Harry Potter scores. Talk about blasting what John Williams did for the films out of the water. And I'm a big Williams fan. Quidditch World Cup especially. While playing the game the music really takes over and puts you in the world. It's brilliant, thematic, and fantastically complex. Most people see this. Even my friends who have little appreciation for film music have all commented on the score for the game. I think it is a fine example of game scoring and I can't wait till Jeremy makes it to the big screen. I think most film music fans and even the naysayers will be blown away.

I guess you could say I've grown up with Jeremy's music. The "Final Fantasy" series is one of my first loves. The music that Uematsu and his team of composers create is first rate and second to none. So, imagine my shock when I played "Secret of Evermore." To be the ONLY American composer (as Jeron said above) is something that I know Jeremy must treasure being an avid "FF" fan himself.

Like it or not, Soule is a name we will all be hearing for a long time. I think some of you are going to have to get used to it and get over it. It's kind of funny, when John Williams was *just* starting out in television, he received the same kind of cold reception and negative criticism. Interesting, I think.

This is just of course my personal opinion.

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So let's get this straight: if you don't like Jeremy Soule's music you're a negative git, with "unthought out" opinions. Sure...

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Naw, Brian says some good things and makes some good points, but I don't think that's what he meant. Not at all. Just substantiate your claims with good solid facts. Berating someone with unsubstantiated criticisms comes across childish. I like diverse opinions, and I don't expect everyone to like any one person's music -- we all have our own likes and dislikes, and that's cool. It's what makes discussion interesting.

Jeron...why should Ryan do anything different from what he's always done? When have FACTS ever been needed for him to attack Jeremy? NEVER. He's a broken record...the same old scratch coming round and round. As for VaultComplex...well...I'm not sure about a VAULT complex...but there sure is some form of megalomania going on there. He spouts off a bunch of crap and THEN...seeing that's he's pissed off someone enough for them to come to the defense, he's backing off and saying "Chill everyone, chill." BULL****! Take responsibility for your actions and your words. If you're gonna be an ass...be like Ryan...at least he's unapologetic about it.

Joe

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I really don't think a 700 word dissertation in response that I simply found a quote and the use of the term "symphonist" amusing was necessary. Jeron goes on and on about how Jeremy has a right to call himself whatever he wants, blah blah blah. Really? Ya think so? Dur. Anyone can call themselves whatever they want, but there is something called taste and humility.

Now, I don't know why my abilities entered the picture here, but why did that become an issue? I don't ever remember saying anything about my work or abilities as a composer, and what do they have to do with the fact that someone else called themself a "symphonist." This is absurd!! I'm not bitter about Jeremy Soule, he's probably a nice guy, but I just find the content of his website entertaining. It seems the bitter ones are Jeron and Brian, who will both go to great lengths, including insulting totally irrelevant aspects of the commenter, to defend Mr. Soule no matter how mundane, insignificant and silly the critisizm is.

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I really don't think a 700 word dissertation in response that I simply found a quote and the use of the term "symphonist" amusing was necessary. Jeron goes on and on about how Jeremy has a right to call himself whatever he wants, blah blah blah. Really? Ya think so? Dur. Anyone can call themselves whatever they want, but there is something called taste and humility.

Now, I don't know why my abilities entered the picture here, but why did that become an issue? I don't ever remember saying anything about my work or abilities as a composer, and what do they have to do with the fact that someone else called themself a "symphonist." This is absurd!! I'm not bitter about Jeremy Soule, he's probably a nice guy, but I just find the content of his website entertaining. It seems the bitter ones are Jeron and Brian, who will both go to great lengths, including insulting totally irrelevant aspects of the commenter, to defend Mr. Soule no matter how mundane, insignificant and silly the critisizm is.

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Haha, okay, whatever you say man. If it makes you happy. If you want absurdity, saying that about Brian and myself is like calling Winnie the Pooh and Tigger too a couple of murderous psychopaths. We are not threatening in any way. But whatever duders.

I tried to be as gracious and humble in my response as possible while still trying to make some valid, definitive points. Now, apparently you've taken it personally to the point you feel you have to defend yourself by insulting us.

I didn't write a 700 word dissertation. I sat down and typed up a response that's been needed to be written for awhile now. The fact I did that shouldn't bother anyone. Yes, it is on the lengthy side, but it's meant to be informative.

Anyway, that's all I'm gonna say about it, I think.

If any of my posts in this thread have offended anyone, accept my sincerest apologies.

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
The difference between Soule and Giacchino is that Giacchino actually moved up to a job scoring ALIAS...

I'm waiting for Soule's big break to be impressed!

(what an ego...!)

Ryan

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@Ryan: I think that everything Jeron and Cyano tried to point out was that your the type of unfounded, provoking and pointless vicious criticism you are practising all the time is quite unnecessary.
Everyone has the right to dislike music whatever he thinks is bad, but you ougth to differentiate between posting your opinion on an impersonal neutral level and causeless bashing for whatever personal hatred you nourish towards Jeremy...

So, if you don't have anything fruitful to say about Jeremy, may it be founded criticism or your legal, tactful and respectful expression of your opinion, why do you have to provoke with your repetetive direspectful comments and breed this sort of edgy mood?

BTW: What do the assignments of a composer tell about the quality of his work??? NOTHING. The best and most common example, next to Jeremy himself of course, is Bruce Broughton! He hasn't had a big gig since "Lost in Space" if I remember correctly, and the Music he has written in the past is better than 95% of the music that is being written nowadays for the huge blockbusters
Same thing with Jeremy Soule. The music he has written at an age of 21 for "Total Annihilation" is way better than the scores for many hollywood films that are produced these days. Maybe that's why I think Jeremy has every legal right to call himself a "symphonist". Nowadays, unfortunately, it is something special and abdicable being able to write symphonic music

Best Regards