When I see these threads get all out of hand, for one, it really amazes me how adults still act like children. And I'm sure I've acted the same myself, if not here, elsewhere. But I also keep hoping that Dan doesn't decide to stop posting here himself. Because again, he does have information which others don't. I've actually inquired about information from him by email, just so I don't do a post here which might get out of hand. Why should I have to even have to consider doing it that way? It may even be info others would like to know.

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Why isn't there a forum on Dan's page? That would ****ing settle everything right now.

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All of you are ****in morons.

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Whoa dude, I feel a little insulted by your post. I do my best to stay civil around here (but ussually I end up failing at that)... And since it's your first post, do you know everyone around here? Or did you yourself just post to cause problems?

Anyway (no offense to Peter) but I do think Peter got a little dig at Dan about the Soundtrack.net traffic. I'd personally find that insulting. But I think we're all in agreement here, everyone is acting like a child. Does it matter who shoved who first anymore? I don't think so. Steve asked for a track listing, it would be unethical for anyone to post the track listing here (since Don Davis obviously wants it to be a secret) so how about we just let this go and move on?

Dan, I hope you keep posting here. I always find your information useful and I am sure everyone else does too.

Clayton

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Dan has attitude. Big ****ing deal.

Why [b]isn't there a forum on Dan's page? That would ****ing settle everything right now.

All of you are ****in morons.[/B]

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Both Dan and PeterK are great guys..and it sucks to see people get them two started in arguments for a laugh.

I’ve been a reader and observer on MM.com for a few months now and I have seen Dan act all high and mighty with people and his attitude towards other members is just sickening, so I got sick of it and am going to say something.

First off, Steve, you are not an idiot and there is nothing wrong with asking a question, it’s because Dan thinks (and acts) that he is the best thing since sided bread and acting all high and mighty about this, that’s the problem.

I saw mentioned above that Dan likes to throw “carrots” I’ve seen him do it in other threads (however, I can’t for the life of me remember what ones they are, but I know he has done so in the past few months.) He holds the information over people’s heads and it makes him feel powerful, I mean c’mon, this should be no surprise to anyone.

Dan is a person, small and petty compared to the rest of the world (just like everyone else) not a God. So stop fueling his fire and he will stop acting like one. Sure he has information, but he gets it from other people just like all pieces of information. He is not the “be all end all” of film music information either. I’m sure if you guys would take the time to look and try to look with out asking instantly for Dan’s advice, you’d find the answers too or at least find someone who doesn’t act like Dan.

I think Dan knows that people in this board “depend” on him for information. They treat him like a drug, he’s not. He is just a person with what looks like a massive ego and has been on a power trip since Day One when I started reading here and my guess is that he’s been on that ride for a long time.

All I know is that I did NOT want this to be my first post. I live in the LA area and have only recently gotten into film music but I just felt I had to say something about this.

Dan, why don’t you find a new hobby? I mean, don’t you have a life?

Jack

As Ford would so eloquently put it...JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION OF COURSE (although he'd no doubt misspell it.. )

Joe

P.S. By the way, I've ALSO noticed that Dan gets attacked more often than not for NOTHING...some people just enjoy bashing him...and frankly, I find that behavior as reprehensible as the ones the bashers are complaining about. If you can't say something nice, say nothing period. Advice to type by. (and sometimes, Dan is like sand in the crack...annoying as hell and rash-inducing...LOL - I slay me...)

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Dan, why don’t you find a new hobby? I mean, don’t you have a life?

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Thanks Jack, I do have a life. I do a lot more worthwhile things than post here, and clearly it's not worth spending any more time here for a while.

Peter, did Dan f*ck your wife or something a while back? I really, really don't understand your repeated attempts to childishly try and get under Dan's skin. I thought you were a grown man (and a decent
Christian at that)?

I talk to Dan pretty regularly on AIM. I read his posts here. I will say, personally, that it's easy to see how his comments could come off as a bit high-minded and arrogant, but only slightly so. At the very most it's chucklable.

I left this board a while back because it become boring and repetitive. Most of the interesting conversations died out. I do come back every now and then, however, and I've seen your (Peter)'s lame attacks, subtle or not, at least a few times. Just get over it.

Is this site failing like I imagine it is? Peter, is this your only source of income? If so, I can understand how one could be bitter and insecure enough to get mad over something so petty.

But whatever. Keep doing what you're doing, you're obviously getting satisfaction from it.

I do not think Dan is mean-spirited or sadistic. I think he's somewhat type-A (frequently lecturing people on the use of the search engine, for example) and likes to poke fun (I wouldn't call it taunting ... he doesn't seem to relish outright mockery the way Thaxton does). People like me shrug it off as unimportant personality quirks. Others have stronger reactions. (And let's not pretend there's not pettiness across the board ... many people envy Dan, and some are downright bitter about it.)

Now it's true that PeterK has to be concerned about more than Dan's intentions; he has the larger interaction of the community on his mind. And he's right about this: quotes like "Otherwise.... tsk tsk" and "ignorance is bliss," whether justified or unjustified, are indeed unlikely to win friends, especially among this exceedingly emotional (often juvenile) crowd. However, I would also note that PeterK's somewhat unprofessional demeanor in this thread (the "goofy" attitude, the veiled insults) is equally unlikely to help *his* image as a responsible, level-headed board moderator (which, in general, I believe he IS) and only leads to more nasty comments like Hasta's.

So yeah, Dan could probably employ more tact. Yeah, he probably ought to know by now how some people will react -- or overreact, as the case may be -- to his posting style, benign as it may be from Dan's point-of-view. Knowing, Dan may choose to modify his behavior (even MORE winky-faces? less attempts at humor?) or not get so defensive when people get pissed off and make over-the-top accusations that honestly -- in my eyes, anyway -- embarrass themselves more than Dan. The third option is confrontation ... I think this thread has demonstrated how well THAT works!

And while we're on the subject, here are some comments in this thread that I DID find arrogant, conceited, and pretentious:

"I know I speak for everyone..."
"Get down off your high horse before we knock you off."
"You can have your tongue up as many composers' asses as you want..."
"All of you are ****in morons."
"Dan likes to throw “carrots” ... He holds the information over people’s heads and it makes him feel powerful..."
"I thought you were ... a decent Christian..."

I'd much rather deal with the occasional ribbing or pithy comment by Dan than this sort of reactionary nonsense.

Finally, it is my opinion that the suggestion that Dan should just leave and that this would solve everything is ... well, let's say "not-smart." I don't believe that's the way a *community* ought to behave. Dan's not perfect. Neither is Mr. Hughes, neither is PeterK. Neither am I, for that matter. Maybe everyone should have their own messageboard, where they can post notes to themselves and instantly know everything about the mindset, attitudes and intentions of the poster.

Until that glorious day (sarcasm), it is my opinion that this thread has become unhelpful and much too long. If this were my board, I'd lock it down and encourage people to move on. Yeesh.

Dan, if you are going away that’s not what I had intended for my post to mean. In case you failed to see it, the post talks about you basically acting like you are better than everyone else on the board. (And you do in my view) I’m not saying leave, just tone down the attitude a little bit.

You know be a little more kind to people. I hope I’m not coming off as a jerk, I just am simply pointing out the facts and the way to solve the problem. It’s not really that hard, you just have to work at it.

Jack

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I just am simply pointing out the facts and the way to solve the problem.

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I can't see any reason why you would want to understand the differences between Dan and myself (and Dan and others wherever else),as you are correct in assuming it's completely petty.

My participation in this thread was aroused only by emails I received from many people who are sick of the Dan Goldwasser-type attitude; these emails asking me what I could do. With someone like Dan and the attitude problems he's accused of having, this was a no-win situation from the start, but I jumped in any way. Of course, I approach the situation with complete over-exaggeration knowing full well the parties involved, hoping the gross overstatement might be laughed off on one level, and understood on another level. Certainly a poor judgment call on my part. I regret it, as always, because there's absolutely no advance anyone can make with people who have such attitudes. One day I may learn this. But there you have it. My problem with Dan is just as everyone else's. Personality clashes. I am on the team who dislikes constant, and I mean constant, egocentric posts. Dan is not the only one who's received the aftertaste of my distaste, if you will note. There are other ways of interacting with people, as I've hope to have gotten across a few times in this thread.

No, MovieMusic Company profits are not my only form of income. People who depends on their internet business (or any business for that matter) as their only income are not covering risk like a superstar should. As far as the company is concerned, last month was the best in revenues by double digit percentages. It's quite exciting... as I never thought such a niche in the music or movie business could do even this well on its own with no print or television ad campaigns. Good times. Oh, you were talking about the message boards? Yeah, it is a money loser! How many of you guys have paid to post here versus how many dollars the company has paid to keep the server plugged in and turned on?

Clayton, the purported "attack" on soundtrack.net to get traffic back up to snuff is no more than a suggestion. Pointing out a negative trend is not an attack. If I suggested to American Airlines to fly less planes at full capacity in order to get their dismal sales back up, am I attacking American Airlines? No. It's an opinion delivered sans attack. Because I might be someone involved in the same business (although there really is nothing remotely related between the business of MM and the "business" of STN), some might think I am digging. Well, it's not. I am not in the mood. And, in the end, is traffic rankings something important to soundtrack.net? I have no idea. If someone had an opinion on the traffic trends of moviemusic.com, personally I could care less, as traffic is not this company's goal. In fact, the more traffic this site receives, the more it costs to serve bandwidth. Essentially, I want LESS traffic and more orders. Why I haven't decided to shut down the boards in light of this is puzzling!

Anyway, if Dan or others would like to argue the merits of Alexa.com and how sucky the service may be, go ahead. In all my experience with traffic rankings, trends and tracking-software, Alexa is the most accurate straight-ranking system available to the public. If people don't like Alexa for whatever reason, that's fine, there are alternatives. But in the end, soundtrack.net's trend is the same through whatever ranking system you chose to quote.

For starters, my first comment was obviously a joke. Yes, it WAS juvenile, but at least it wasn't serious, like your guys' petty attacks on Dan.

The thing that bugs me is that this is all just Soap Opera stuff. Why so much drama for something so meaningless? You're making something out of nothing.

And I have to REALLY believe you're making up that statement about "receiving e-mails complaining about Dan's attitude", because it's bogus. Anybody who would actually e-mail you and complain is a... I don't know, but I've NEVER seen anything from Dan that would warrant that, and a consistently slightly egocentric attitude certainly doesn't in my book.

It's just all ridiculous drama, that I'm now contributing to.

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And I have to REALLY believe you're making up that statement about "receiving e-mails complaining about Dan's attitude", because it's bogus. Anybody who would actually e-mail you and complain is a..

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What's funny about that is that you don't have access to Mr. Kelly's e-mail server do you? So how could you know?

Jack

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For starters, my first comment was obviously a joke. Yes, it WAS juvenile, but at least it wasn't serious, like your guys' petty attacks on Dan.

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Um ... what are you suggesting? That YOUR distasteful comments and cheap shots are just jokes that we shouldn't take seriously, but if Dan and Peter make petty attacks or cheap shots, that's completely different? And this is supposed to be *obvious* to me? Hasta, I say this without malice: that's the kind of arguing that makes me want to avoid conversation with you in the future. Just in case you're concerned about the kind of image you're presenting.

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And I have to REALLY believe you're making up that statement about "receiving e-mails complaining about Dan's attitude", because it's bogus.

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Then you are very naive. People will complain about anything, no matter how petty. Or is this slanderous accusation just another "obvious joke" that I'm missing?

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It's just all ridiculous drama, that I'm now contributing to.

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Regardless, Has'ta's comments were NOT funny (as he claims) and bordered or repulsive.

And what's with that RIDICULOUS "'" between the s and the t????

Wedge, read, think, process. The comment Peter was referring to, I believe, is the "wife" one, which was, as I said, Juvenile. Yet, it was a joke, because, as we all know, it's outrageous, irreverent, and nobody expects it to be true. It was my obnoxious way of saying "what in hell did Dan do to you that has warranted repeated slamming of him" (of which I've noticed for quite a while -- again, I don't CARE, but Peter seems to be so professional and nice to everyone else, everywhere else. Dan might have an unlikeable board personality, but it seems as if Peter has something more against him than that.

Wedge, we won't be talking in the future. I enjoy scores, like everyone here, but I don't participate in the board much anymore. Too lazy maybe, or maybe it's because, like I said earlier, the topic discussions aren't as interesting as they once were.

We're all naive. Just because forum's are filled with whiny bitches doesn't mean I can't state that I believe there is no justifiable, or at least semi-rational reason, to e-mail complaints from what I've seen.

Since when do our NEEDS need to be met on the board? And what are these? I really don't think Dan is offending anyone's needs. He's not taking anything away from anybody... He might be irritating some people, making them feel tiny (which is their problem, not his -- does he attack people personally, anyway?), but from what I can see, he's contributing far more than he's taking away.

Granted, some of my comments were harsh (the intial joke, I suppose, but only because of the vulgarity), and I apologize, but like I said I'm not trying to save-face here.

I guess everyone just needs to take a chill pill, and that might include me.

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Wedge, we won't be talking in the future. I enjoy scores, like everyone here, but I don't participate in the board much anymore. Too lazy maybe, or maybe it's because, like I said earlier, the topic discussions aren't as interesting as they once were.

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Why does this happen to all film music discussion boards? I stopped visiting rec.music.movies years ago, and I very seldom participate in the FILMUS-L discussion. I thought I'd give moviemusic.com a go, but obviously people aren't more grown up here.

Now, can we please concentrate on the love we share - film music - instead of this pathetic discussion?

Mission: terminated.

mikael

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As Ford would so eloquently put it...JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION OF COURSE

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LOL! When does Ford EVER put anything humbily?

In short, my genius humor was wasted.

What a shame.

Oh, Ryan, you've boiled my beans for the last time, DO YOU HEAR ME???

Genius, my a$$!!! That humor of yours is GODLIKE! In fact, it is SO GOODLIKE that no one will EVER be able to understand or grasp it!!

LOL

By the way, awesome job on Tyler's site. U da man...

My that was a long sentence.

Joe
SP - Philly (Shore)

Leave your big ego's at the door before you come in the board....

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And I have to REALLY believe you're making up that statement about "receiving e-mails complaining about Dan's attitude", because it's bogus.

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I'll put it in print right here. I'm one of the ones who have emailed Peter on a couple of occasions about Dan. And recently perfpitch.

So I guess I'm an "I don't know."

And Ryan, your humor was not wasted. I actually choked on my drink when I read your track titles.

K

a) How is it that an unregistered individual can post?

Second) How is it that this thread is still unlocked?

and 3) How is it that Earth is still in one piece with humanity being in the state it is right now?

Joe
NP - Matrix Reloaded (Davis - the 8 disc academy gift set)