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Author	Topic: East Of Eden/ Rebel Without A Cause "promo"

Graham Watt Oscar® Winner	I picked up an interesting thing for 5 Euros today at a record fair - Leonard Rosenman's scores for EAST OF EDEN and REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE. The CD came in a cardboard sleeve, no more, and on the disc itself it says "For promotional use only. Not for sale. Full album program from Nonesuch 79402, commercial release July 22 1997." I'm wondering what the legal status is with this, but also if the disc I got is the full official Nonesuch album (it runs just over 50 minutes). And what do you all think of John Adams' interpretation of Leonard Rosenman? I haven't sat down and anally compared it to the William Motzing version I have, but on first listen I thought it was really good. Adams' take sounds leaner and more authentically Rosenman than Motzing's somewhat bloated recording (which has some great stretches), but I don't think either conductor really captures the real staccato of Rosenman's DUM DUM DUM DUM, nor the energy of his tone pyramids. Mind you, Rosenman's essence must be notoriously difficult to capture. So, legal status? Running time of the official one? Opinions on the Motzing versus Adams? Oh, I almost forgot to mention it, those scores are bloody brilliant!
posted 06-01-2003 03:13 PM PT (US)

Dana Wilcox Oscar® Winner	I have the commercial version of that CD and consider it one of the finer re-recordings around. John Adams and the London Sinfonietta captured the major elements of these scores extremely well, IMO. And you're absolutely right -- they're terrific, memorable scores!
posted 06-01-2003 04:07 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	I wasn't aware this was conducted by John Adams....surely not THE John Adams? NP: Krzesany (Wojciech Kilar)
posted 06-01-2003 05:13 PM PT (US)

James Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Marian Schedenig: I wasn't aware this was conducted by John Adams....surely not THE John Adams? The same. Makes me wonder if he'd do a film score if he was asked, since he doesn't seem to think it's a lower art form (as some in the world of concert music might). I know he scored a documentary at some point, but I don't know where to find it. I should really get this CD. Kirk
posted 06-01-2003 05:33 PM PT (US)

Dylan Oscar® Winner	These scores are absolutely beautiful, "Rebel Without a Cause" in particular (which contains a gorgeous theme that may have been the inspiration for Bernard Herrmann's "Marnie" theme). I'll have to look for this CD as well. [Message edited by Dylan on 06-01-2003]
posted 06-01-2003 05:56 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by James: Makes me wonder if he'd do a film score if he was asked, since he doesn't seem to think it's a lower art form (as some in the world of concert music might). Rosenman for example, apparently. quote: I should really get this CD. I really should play it again... NP: Exodus (Wojciech Kilar)
posted 06-01-2003 06:02 PM PT (US)

Howard L Oscar® Winner	I love the way the composer reworked the two scores into September 30, 1955. As loony as the Richard Thomas character was, the music for the Dean characters lent instant pathos to the young man's brutal honesty in expressing himself.
posted 06-02-2003 12:17 PM PT (US)

Graham Watt Oscar® Winner	Thanks for those comments, everyone. I've just spent an afternoon with the two versions, and I have to say that the Adams is so much better than the Motzing, though I don't want to belittle the Motzing effort - Rosenman must be notoriously difficult to tackle. And the Motzing does have the "Vindication and Finale" cue, which, at almost ten minutes, is one of the most compellingly sustained cues in my small film music collection. Adams brings that cue in at about the five minute mark.
posted 06-08-2003 04:11 PM PT (US)

Nicolai P. Zwar Oscar® Winner	The Adams' recording of those two Rosenman scores are first rate; I don't remember the Motzing recordings well enough right now to compare the two. Anyway, just about over 50 minutes is indeed the entire Nonesuch album length. The way you describe the CD you are obviously missing out on roughly twenty pages of liner notes, written by John Adams and Royal S. Brown. Don't know about the legal status, but the way you describe it it's obviously a promo (DUH!), which means it is a "legal" copy of the CD, albeit not one for sale. Obviously, somebody somehow put this copy not to its intended use, and so it wound up being sold at a record fair. I wouldn't let this bother my conscience too much, that's for sure. By the way, Marian, the John Adams also conducted parts of the Nonesuch Toru Takemitsu CD, which is equally recommendable. NP: Tori Amos Little Earthquakes (Warner)
posted 06-09-2003 12:04 PM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Oscar® Winner	I believe PeterK should be notified regarding this thread...which is an obviously blatant defiance of his NO TALK OR DISCUSSION REGARDING BOOTLEGS, PROMOS (ET.AL.). PeterK: Close down this thread before we are at each other's throats!!! (or perhaps those are only in threads where the offending discs are from composers people really care about). THIS POST IS ALL ABOUT SARCASM. OKAY? IT IS NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY! Joe Matirx Reloaded (the 4 -disc bootleg) P.S. (I'M KIDDING!!!) It's only 3 discs...and it's a promo not a bootleg... [Message edited by JoeInSanDiego on 06-09-2003]
posted 06-09-2003 01:47 PM PT (US)

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