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Topic: Young replaces Kamen on Exorcist Prequel
dgoldwas
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http://www.soundtrack.net/news/article/?id=460It's like a game of musical chairs!!
Dan
posted 05-27-2003 01:54 PM PT (US) Philipp
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It is sad for Kamen, who´s music I really enjoy, but to hear an excorcist score by thriller-guru Chris Young is something I quite likely woudn´t miss for anything in the world! Great opportunity for the man!
Can´t wait to hear!Philipp
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posted 05-27-2003 02:45 PM PT (US) Marian Schedenig
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I'm just waiting for the day when one of the scores that were meant to replace a rejected score gets rejected...
posted 05-27-2003 03:00 PM PT (US) Southall
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Well, when Stephen Warbeck's score for The Hours was rejected, Michael Nyman wrote and recorded one.And then that was rejected as well and Philip Glass came on board.
Anyway, does Chris Young really need another **** horror film in his career? He has quite enough already. I was looking forward to hearing what Kamen would do with this given that he's not scored anything much like it.
posted 05-27-2003 03:12 PM PT (US) James
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Originally posted by Southall:
Well, when Stephen Warbeck's score for The Hours was rejected, Michael Nyman wrote and recorded one.There's a difference between demos and actual scores. It is my understanding that neither Warbeck nor Nyman actually wrote complete scores for The Hours. Stephen Daldry temp-tracked the film with Philip Glass music and then had a few meetings with Warbeck and a few with Nyman about possible directions for the score. Maybe they both wrote demo music for Daldry, but in the end he decided to go straight to Glass since that was the sound he wanted in the first place. But these don't actually constitute rejected scores.
Of course, if I'm wrong and there were indeed two rejected scores for The Hours, then this post was meaningless and I apologize.
As to the topic at hand (to make this post somewhat relevant), I was sort of ambivalent to the Exorcist prequel in the first place, and I'm also rather ambivalent about Michael Kamen at this point in his career...he can still write great music, but he's been getting rather uneven. Christopher Young will certainly do a great job, but I'm afraid I agree with Southall here: he doesn't really need another horror film at this point. But if Chris Young wants to do it, then Chris Young should get to do what Chris Young wants to do. I therefore look froward to the end result with mild interest.
Kirk
posted 05-27-2003 04:01 PM PT (US) Al
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Why not. He's the musical guru of gore, and while I'd enjoy a new non-horror score more, his compositionally graceful handling of terror is more enjoyable than the "plink-plunk/well-timed clang" method.NP: Goldsmith's "Psycho II"
posted 05-27-2003 07:43 PM PT (US) Dylan
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This is exciting news, and I am greatly anticipating a new horror score from Young. It's been about three years since Young has scored a horror film ("Bless the Child"), and I think it's wonderful that he will be returning to the genre this year. Young's horror scores are often perfect examples of combining terror and romanticism.I'm not sure about the film, I will say that it is a very interesting assignment for Schrader.
Best Regards,
Dylan posted 05-27-2003 10:48 PM PT (US) dgoldwas
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There's a longer story to be told, but it should be noted that Young almost scored EXORCIST III....As such, his involvement on this film is pretty exciting - and who knows, we just might hear some of what he had developed back then!
Dan
posted 05-27-2003 10:59 PM PT (US) ESB
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Another composer fired?! This is really getting ridiculous. There must be some reason for the absurd firing behaviour of producers. Anyone got the slightest idea what's going on here?
posted 05-28-2003 12:29 AM PT (US) Southall
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Originally posted by James:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Southall:
[b]Well, when Stephen Warbeck's score for The Hours was rejected, Michael Nyman wrote and recorded one.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>There's a difference between demos and actual scores. It is my understanding that neither Warbeck nor Nyman actually wrote complete scores for The Hours. Stephen Daldry temp-tracked the film with Philip Glass music and then had a few meetings with Warbeck and a few with Nyman about possible directions for the score. Maybe they both wrote demo music for Daldry, but in the end he decided to go straight to Glass since that was the sound he wanted in the first place. But these don't actually constitute rejected scores.
Of course, if I'm wrong and there were indeed two rejected scores for The Hours, then this post was meaningless and I apologize.
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Nyman definitely wrote his score but whether he recorded it or not I'm not sure. I thought I read that Warbeck recorded his but I have no first-hand knowledge. Apologies if I was wrong!
posted 05-28-2003 12:41 AM PT (US) JoeInSanDiego
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Has a composer ever been fired, had his score replaced, only to be rehired again when the replacement score didn't work?
For Breakdown, Poledouris's score was rejected and he was hired to write his own replacement.
Stranger things have happened. I am just astounded that Morgan Creek Productions is actually interested in trying to improve one of their films....more often than not, they tinker it to death (or fire the director...). It isn't by accident that this company is called Morgan Cheap.
Joe
NP - Last Castle (Goldsmith)[Message edited by JoeInSanDiego on 05-28-2003]
posted 05-28-2003 03:29 PM PT (US) JoeInSanDiego
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The thought just occurred to me. Is Morgan Creek even DOING the prequel????? Well, if not, then I can understand them getting quality composer Young in there. If so, I am stil amazed.Didn't Caleb Carr write the screenplay for this? (Love his novels!!!!!)
Joe
(who is about to do some research on this)
[Message edited by JoeInSanDiego on 05-28-2003]
posted 05-28-2003 03:31 PM PT (US) dgoldwas
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Originally posted by JoeInSanDiego:
For Breakdown, Poledouris's score was rejected and he was hired to write his own replacement.Basil actually wrote TWO replacement scores.
That would be three, in total, for the same film, by the same composer.
Dan
posted 05-28-2003 03:54 PM PT (US) justin boggan
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3 times??? Hey, I may not know him, but I sympathize.What about D-Tox?
posted 05-28-2003 04:26 PM PT (US) Timmer
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Chris Young?....EXCELLENT!
posted 05-29-2003 06:07 AM PT (US) MWRuger
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Is it my imagination or has Michael Kamen been booted from a far number of pictures lately?What did he do? Sleep with someone's dog?
posted 05-29-2003 09:00 AM PT (US) majestyx
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Didn't Jerry Goldsmith write two scores for Alien Nation? One was rejected and then he wrote a replacement for it I think.
posted 05-29-2003 09:25 AM PT (US) HadrianD
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I'll wait to see whether people will complain because the score would sound like his previous stuff
posted 05-29-2003 10:35 AM PT (US) dgoldwas
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Originally posted by majestyx:
Didn't Jerry Goldsmith write two scores for Alien Nation? One was rejected and then he wrote a replacement for it I think.Did they use any of this replacement score in the film? I thought Curt Sobel was the final composer.....
Dan
posted 05-29-2003 11:29 AM PT (US) Crono/Kyp
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He is.
posted 05-29-2003 11:35 AM PT (US) dgoldwas
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Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
He is.Yes, I know that Brian. I was asking about Goldmith's replacement score, since IMDB lists Goldsmith as being "uncredited" - but is that referring to the rejected score, or a replacement score that was partially used?
Dan
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posted 05-29-2003 12:06 PM PT (US) JoeInSanDiego
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I don't remember hearing ANYTHING Goldsmithian in Alien Nation...sounded like an extended commercial jingle to me (and highly inappropriate)...but maybe something was slipped in while I was choking..Joe
posted 05-29-2003 03:08 PM PT (US) Dylan
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I can't say that I expected any of this. This is not good:
http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/film/features/story.jsp?story=431680Read the article contained in the above link first, but keep in mind that this horror story continues below-
From www.imdb.com:
"Schrader Fired from 'Exorcist IV'
Writer-director Paul Schrader (Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Auto Focus) has been fired from Exorcist IV: The Beginning after turning in a completed film, when producers concluded that the film did not contain enough violence, the New York Post's "Page Six" column reported today (Monday). Producers Morgan Creek "wanted more gore," a source told the column, "They think that will sell. There were huge fights between Paul, who is more artistic, and the company, and earlier this week Paul was fired. They are planning on hiring a new director to reshoot some scenes."
NO NO NO NO!!!! I can't believe this. We do not need another Monkeybone or Magnificent Ambersons (both of which, as most might know, were taken away from the directors, re-cut, the whole karma sutra). Basiaclly the studio does not like the new version that Paul Schrader directed, thinking it too arty, subtle (probably too well made). Adding gore scenes will weaken the film, and it's sad that the studio does not understand psychological terror. This is not good, I really hope that they keep Christopher Young on board, I feel that this is the greatest assignment Young has received in years (as least since "The Shipping News").
Best Regards, and cross your fingers for Schrader and Young,
Dylan
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posted 09-14-2003 02:49 PM PT (US) Timmer
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Originally posted by Timmer:
Chris Young?....EXCELLENT!I totally agree!
posted 09-14-2003 04:40 PM PT (US) JoeInSanDiego
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This does not come as a surprise to me. Morgan Creek is INFAMOUS for doing this. They turned Exorcist III (Legion) into a major cluster****, with over a yer's worth of haggling and infighting that ended up creating an entirely new ending and major reshoots, they fired Kevin Reynolds from Robin Hood during the editing process actually locked him out at one point before the actual firing took place. They have a history of being contentious with filmmakers. They aren't referred to by people in the industry as Morgan Cheap for nothing. It's a pity. I think Caleb Carr is an INCREDIBLE writer and Paul Schrader is an INCREDIBLE director. Having said that, 'tis more the pity they had to deal with MC.Joe
posted 09-15-2003 08:11 AM PT (US) Dylan
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-Post deleted- (answered my own question)[Message edited by Dylan on 09-15-2003]
posted 09-15-2003 02:57 PM PT (US) Dylan
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Music from the Movies reported today that Young is officially off of the Exorcist 4. I expected this, but I'm still disappointed. They said that a new composer will be announced soon. All I have to say is that I REALLY hope it's not Marco Beltrami, Brian Tyler, or John Debney. How about Jerry Goldsmith, Elmer Bernstein, or John Williams? And of course, there's always Richard Band. Danny Elfman would be good as well, perhaps delivering a Nightbreed-like score.Dylan
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posted 05-11-2004 11:21 AM PT (US) TV's Frank
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All fine choices, Dylan, however with Renny Harlin involved I doubt he would make an intelligent choice for the composer and we'll end up with Trevor Rabin or a MV monkey. Plus, they have shoved so much money at this project after filming an entire movie TWICE that you know they will skimp when it comes to the music and not pay up for top talent like Goldsmith, Elfman or Bernstein. I was really looking forward to this for Young, he is a master at this genre.
posted 05-11-2004 12:19 PM PT (US) Bond1965
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Originally posted by TV's Frank:
All fine choices, Dylan, however with Renny Harlin involved I doubt he would make an intelligent choice for the composer and we'll end up with Trevor Rabin or a MV monkey. Plus, they have shoved so much money at this project after filming an entire movie TWICE that you know they will skimp when it comes to the music and not pay up for top talent like Goldsmith, Elfman or Bernstein. I was really looking forward to this for Young, he is a master at this genre.But I read elsewhere on this board that MV doesn't exsist. (by name only I'm sure)
We need to find them a new name.
James
posted 05-11-2004 12:42 PM PT (US) moviescore
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Originally posted by TV's Frank:
All fine choices, Dylan, however with Renny Harlin involved I doubt he would make an intelligent choice for the composer and we'll end up with Trevor Rabin or a MV monkey.I really hope that the studio have the guts to hire Tuomas Kantelinen, the Finnish composer who scored Mindhunters. He is an excellent composer who would do something outstanding with a big horror movie. His Mindhunters score, as well as the score for Swedish action movie Hotet (The Threat), is thrilling.
So, Go Finland!!!
mikael
posted 05-11-2004 02:03 PM PT (US) Hector J. Guzman
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I was looking forward to Michael Kamen's score :P posted 05-11-2004 02:11 PM PT (US) scoreguy16
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Originally posted by Bond1965:
We need to find them a new name.James
Yeah, we need a name to group together a bunch of people that don't work together just so everyone can bash them...
Clayton
posted 05-11-2004 02:33 PM PT (US) dsg
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Originally posted by Bond1965:
But I read elsewhere on this board that MV doesn't exsist. (by name only I'm sure)We need to find them a new name.
they already have one.
"RC Productions" or something like that
posted 05-11-2004 03:13 PM PT (US) dsg
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Originally posted by scoreguy16:
Yeah, we need a name to group together a bunch of people that don't work together just so everyone can bash them... but, they do work together...
posted 05-11-2004 03:15 PM PT (US) scoreguy16
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Originally posted by dsg:
but, they do work together...
Didn't Harry Gregson-Williams, John Powell, and Klaus Badelt leave? I know Klaus was planning on leaving but not sure if he did yet.
Clayton
posted 05-11-2004 03:40 PM PT (US) justin boggan
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How about Robert Duncan?
posted 05-11-2004 04:40 PM PT (US) Justin
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Wait! Media Ventures is now RC Productions?
posted 05-11-2004 05:18 PM PT (US) Crono/Kyp
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Wait! Dgoldwas is now dsg?::insert 4 note Horner theme here::
posted 05-11-2004 05:22 PM PT (US) Hector J. Guzman
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Now that sounds menacing!
posted 05-11-2004 05:26 PM PT (US) La La Land Records
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quote:
Originally posted by Bond1965:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by TV's Frank:
[b]All fine choices, Dylan, however with Renny Harlin involved I doubt he would make an intelligent choice for the composer and we'll end up with Trevor Rabin or a MV monkey. Plus, they have shoved so much money at this project after filming an entire movie TWICE that you know they will skimp when it comes to the music and not pay up for top talent like Goldsmith, Elfman or Bernstein. I was really looking forward to this for Young, he is a master at this genre.<HR size=1></blockquote>But I read elsewhere on this board that MV doesn't exsist. (by name only I'm sure)
We need to find them a new name.
James[/B]
I sure as hell do exist!MV
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