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perfpitch Standard Userer	As for your question regarding Hollywood moviemaking with the French New Wave, Jeron, it's summed up best, I think, by something Billy Wilder said in the 1960s: "In about twenty years, the New Wave will have discovered the slow dissolve." What he means is that the New Wave, with its silly incoherence and devotion to the largely dictates of the critics who write in Cahiers du Cinema, will find that there are some immutable principles of story-telling and filmmaking that they can't re-write, if the emotion response of audiences are the least bit important to them.
posted 05-28-2003 11:30 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Haha. You guys crack me up. Chris, congrats on the engagement - I didn't know! As far as copies go, I'll do my best. At the very least, I'll try to have a Quicktime version up for everyone to see. The DVD I have planned right now is as follows... though we'll have to wait and see if it all pans out: Features: -60-second version of the film -4-minute version of the film -Behind the Scenes featurette -Raw, unedited footage in shooting order -USC Films (the 4 DV projects I shot a couple years ago) It'd be fun to do interviews with the cast and crew, lol... but that might be overdoing it. But heck, it sure would be fun to have later down the line when I'm older. My cousin (my actor) and I are considering recording a commentary together. It should be very insightful... lol! Actually, it'll probably end up sounding a lot like a Beavis and Butthead episode. Thanks Marian! Were you able to watch the featurette? Jeron
posted 05-28-2003 11:30 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by perfpitch: As for your question regarding Hollywood moviemaking with the French New Wave, Jeron, it's summed up best, I think, by something Billy Wilder said in the 1960s: "In about twenty years, the New Wave will have discovered the slow dissolve." What he means is that the New Wave, with its silly incoherence and devotion to the largely dictates of the critics who write in Cahiers du Cinema, will find that there are some immutable principles of story-telling and filmmaking that they can't re-write, if the emotion response of audiences are the least bit important to them. Haha, true true. But my prof seems to really dig New Wave stuff, so it might not be the wisest thing for me to approach my paper that way.
posted 05-28-2003 11:32 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: -Raw, unedited footage in shooting order Hopefully that'll have a fast-forward feature, right? :-p quote: My cousin (my actor) and I are considering recording a commentary together. It should be very insightful... Do the commentary - it can be fun! I recorded a group commentary a few weeks ago for one of my short films, and it was a blast! Especially since the other guys hadn't seen it in years. (Also recorded one last weekend for a short "project" I did 18 years ago - even got my friend I did it with to chime in!) Dan
posted 05-28-2003 11:35 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Not to diminish the accomplishment, but is it really a "momentous occassion" for someone to shoot a short film for a class? (Unless you mean it's a momentous occassion that Jeron even did another film, after having gone for so long without touching a camera......?) Well, the accomplishment has yet to be completley accomplished - but I do consider this film to be a momentous occasion, if only personally. It's a milestone in my development as a filmmaker, this being my very first film shot on 16mm. And you're right, it's pretty crazy it's been as long as it's been since I made something. Hopefully that'll change... I have no intention of becoming the next Terrence Malick. Jeron
posted 05-28-2003 11:35 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Hopefully that'll have a fast-forward feature, right? I suppose that depends on the viewer's ability to press the fast forward button on his remote.
posted 05-28-2003 11:38 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: I have no intention of becoming the next Terrence Malick. Thank god for that. quote: I suppose that depends on the viewer's ability to press the fast forward button on his remote Oh, right - sorry, I forgot that you're not saavy with DVD authoring yet. See, you can actually prevent that button from doing anything, and depending on the software you use, (I prefer Scenarist for total control - it's not easy or pretty, but I know what I'm getting from it!) you can do more stuff than some slap-happy iDVD or MyDVD or whatever that forces you into certain templates, etc. Dan
posted 05-28-2003 11:43 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Question: Has anyone here used Final Cut Pro? I'm not all that familiar with the Mac, so I'm wondering if the G4's we've got up at the school are going to be able to read my PC-formatted MP3 cd-rs, where I have a majority of my music stored. I didn't haul my cds from home to LA. On the AVID, I was able to import MP3s w/o any trouble, but that was of course on a PC. If the Macintosh can't read the cds, I guess I'm gonna have to burn copies of everything I think I might use.
posted 05-28-2003 11:44 AM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: Oh, right - sorry, I forgot that you're not saavy with DVD authoring yet. See, you can actually prevent that button from doing anything, and depending on the software you use, (I prefer Scenarist for total control - it's not easy or pretty, but I know what I'm getting from it!) you can do more stuff than some slap-happy iDVD or MyDVD or whatever that forces you into certain templates, etc. That's good to know. iDVD is probably what's running on those machines at school, as I know for a fact we have DVD burning capabilities on each editing station. And yeah, as you very well know I haven't had any experience with DVD authoring, so I haven't even entered the realm of being 'un-Saavy'.
posted 05-28-2003 11:48 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: Has anyone here used Final Cut Pro? I'm not all that familiar with the Mac, so I'm wondering if the G4's we've got up at the school are going to be able to read my PC-formatted MP3 cd-rs, where I have a majority of my music stored. I didn't haul my cds from home to LA. Why don't you stick a CD-R in the drive and find out? I'm pretty sure your CD-Rs will work in a Mac, but it's possible that the filenames are going to be messed up. Windows uses a system called Joliet that allows the filenames on a CD to be longer than the old 8.3 style that ISO 9660 started with. It looks like there is some sort of program that you can install on a Mac to use/view the long filenames on a Joliet CD. So try a CD-R out... If the filenames are screwed up on the Mac, I'd download the freeware version of that program and see if that makes accessing your CD-Rs a bit easier. I'm far, far, far from a Mac expert but it can't hurt trying-- especially on a school computer.
posted 05-28-2003 12:10 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	LOL, thanks Jonathan. I'm heading out right now, so I'll take one of my cds with me, pop it in one of the computers, and see what happens.
posted 05-28-2003 12:25 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Jeron: And yeah, as you very well know I haven't had any experience with DVD authoring ....no, it's not obvious I would know that at this point. quote: so I haven't even entered the realm of being 'un-Saavy'. Since "savvy" (mispelled above - my bad!) is defined as "Well informed and perceptive", I think it's safe to say you're already in that realm. Dan
posted 05-28-2003 12:52 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	We'll see!!! As for my MP3 inquiry, thanks J-little for pointing out the obvious - "just try it and see if it works." It worked! Jeron
posted 05-28-2003 04:39 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Jer I have used FCP and am decently versed in it. Shoot me an e-mail if you have questions. Also I know iDVD well too, and I can most likely answer your questions about that too. The DVD authoring with iDVD is a little different then using something like DVDit (PC) or DVD Studio Pro (Mac) You have my info --Brian NP: Silvestri Music! [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 05-28-2003]
posted 05-28-2003 09:19 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	K, cool. Thanks. NP El Cid by The Rozsa Man
posted 05-28-2003 10:39 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: The DVD authoring with iDVD is a little different then using something like DVDit (PC) or DVD Studio Pro (Mac) DVDit is crap. Most of the DVD authoring software out there is too "automated" and "template-driven", like iDVD, and you can't really make it your own. (Course, for this project, I'm sure it'll do just fine since it doesn't sound like there has to be much interactivity.) DVD Studio Pro is good, but it uses up a few of the GRPM variables for its own devious purposes. I'm curious to see what Adobe DVD Maestro is like, but until then, for complete control, it's Scenarist all the way, baby@ Dan
posted 05-28-2003 10:42 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	They were examples off the top of my head. I have used many programs on both platforms; I find that DVD Studio Pro is a very good program. And in case you did not notice, Jer was gonna be using iDVD anyway, hence my comment regarding iDVD. --Brian
posted 05-28-2003 11:24 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: And in case you did not notice No, I noticed. Many people might not think so, but I do actually read the threads I post to. Dan
posted 05-28-2003 11:25 PM PT (US)

perfpitch Standard Userer	Jeron, adjusting one's enthusiasms to conform to a teacher's predjudices isn't education, it's self-serving sycophancy; the ideal pedagogical relationship is a two-way street, in which something is discovered and learned on both sides. Obviously, one shouldn't be insulting with the tone and content of one's disagreements, but challenging an instructor's assertions with well-reasoned observations and conslusions of one's own is the hallmark of the intellectually curious and adventurous student, which a good teacher will respect, admire and encourage.
posted 05-28-2003 11:51 PM PT (US)

PeterK FishChip	Perfpitch, yawwwwwwwwwwwn. But while one has your attention, what the heck are observations and conslusions? Anything to do with drunkenness?
posted 05-28-2003 11:56 PM PT (US)

Kevin Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by perfpitch: conslusions Hmm... I think that should be spelled conclusions. "Perf"-pitch. Looks like "IM"-perfpitch to me. Dumbass
posted 05-29-2003 01:12 PM PT (US)

perfpitch Standard Userer	Kevin, if you wish to call attention to, and correct, an infrequent typo on my part, that's perfectly fine and fair, but your adding a pointless insult to it is unwarranted and, to put it politely, cheap. Your mild vulgarism succeeds in pointing out that its author has nothing to say, is laugably inarticulate and can offer no valid argument to refute what I posted above, which had been meant in a spirit of encouraging Jeron to think, as the saying goes, "outside the box" of safe, conventional wisdom.
posted 05-29-2003 01:25 PM PT (US)

SEBULBA Standard Userer	Dan, what platform do you author on? With Scenarist that is?
posted 05-29-2003 02:47 PM PT (US)

Kevin Standard Userer	Insecure much?
posted 05-29-2003 02:55 PM PT (US)

JoeInSanDiego Standard Userer	Another positive and cool thread turns to **** ...
posted 05-29-2003 03:03 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by SEBULBA: Dan, what platform do you author on? With Scenarist that is? I am authoring on my WindowsXP machine, using a Canopus DVRex-M1 capture card, Adobe Premiere, Canopus ProCoder (for the MPEG-2 compression), Sonic Scenarist 2.7 for the authoring, and the Sony DRU-500AX +/-RW drive for burning (cause I don't wanna deal with the format wars ) Dan quote: Originally posted by JoeInSanDiego: Another positive and cool thread turns to ... Welcome to moviemusic.com! Dan
posted 05-29-2003 04:43 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	I will agree with Dan on his drive, that Sony drive kicks major ass. I need to pick one up. And it does get rid of those damn format DVD - and DVD + wars...did I mention on a Sony nut? --Brian NP: Finding Nemo
posted 05-30-2003 01:59 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: did I mention on a Sony nut? No you didn't, but on [sic] sure you are. Dan
posted 05-30-2003 02:07 PM PT (US)

Kevin Standard Userer	Jeron, You forgot to mention the isolated score track on the DVD.
posted 05-30-2003 03:52 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Kevin: You forgot to mention the isolated score track on the DVD. quote: Originally posted by Jeron: -60-second version of the film -4-minute version of the film -Behind the Scenes featurette -Raw, unedited footage in shooting order -USC Films (the 4 DV projects I shot a couple years ago) Kevin, Depending on how long the "raw unedited footage in shooting order" and "behind the scenes featurette" end up being, as well as the compression bitrate consideration, there might not be room for an isolated score - as we all know, the DTS audio track can take up quite a lot of your bit budget. Dan
posted 05-30-2003 04:32 PM PT (US)

Kevin Standard Userer	Well then it's just going to have to be a 2-disc Special Edition
posted 05-30-2003 05:58 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by Kevin: Well then it's just going to have to be a 2-disc Special Edition LOL - I can think of classic features that deserve the 2-disc SE treatment long before a 4-minute student film.... Dan
posted 05-30-2003 06:08 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	Update! Just finished editing. Final runtime comes to 4 minutes and 50 seconds. I've edited together a pretty schnazzy temp score w/ stuff by Poledouris, Randy Newman, Silvestri, Broughton, and Shaiman. The music works pretty darn well, but not wanting to fall into temp love, I'll be happy to toss it for something original as soon as one of my guys can put something together. Jeron
posted 06-04-2003 01:25 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Standard Userer	Temp score! Jeron is EVIL (btw, where's Dinko?)
posted 06-04-2003 02:30 PM PT (US)

perfpitch Standard Userer	You realize that Elmer Bernstein won't even look at a film with a temp score (FAR FROM HEAVEN notwithstanding, since it was temp-tracked with his own music).
posted 06-04-2003 02:45 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Standard Userer	Dinko hasn't been around for about a month or so.
posted 06-04-2003 02:50 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Hey now, yeah it's a temp score but it's a damn good one and it works great within context Good job Jer. It's a good film. --Brian
posted 06-04-2003 03:12 PM PT (US)

Jeron Standard Userer	quote: Originally posted by perfpitch: *You realize that Elmer Bernstein won't even look* at a film with a temp score (FAR FROM HEAVEN notwithstanding, since it was temp-tracked with his own music).** Yeah, I know that one, Perf. Not sure what relevance it has here, as Elmer probably wouldn't score a student short. That's a bit unrealistic. When did temping a film become an unholy practice?? I never said I'd hold a gun to my composer's head and force him to adhere to it... And Brian, thanks! Yeah, it turned out to be quite fun... Jeron [Message edited by Jeron on 06-04-2003]
posted 06-04-2003 03:52 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Standard Userer	Wheee! He mentioned my name --Bri NP: X2
posted 06-04-2003 04:08 PM PT (US)

perfpitch Standard Userer	Well, yeah, it's a bit of a joke, Jeron (though you don't know that he'll say "no" till you actually ask him), in that Bernstein is, of course, probably the greatest master of the Western film score.
posted 06-04-2003 10:17 PM PT (US)

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