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The Burly Brawl tastes fake. It isn't so much a great action sequence as a demonstration reel for a great new technology. It makes you think, "Let's play again!" The cheesy, tinny-sounding music doesn't help. I've heard better orchestrations coming out of Game Boys.

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And just in case you want to read the whole thing, check out Slate.

Of course, I'm reserving judgment until I see the movie myself! But, please, let the ranting begin!!!

Bradley

Better Orchestration out of GAMEBOY? BAH. what does he know...
And he complains that Trinity has become mushy and maternal while others complain that she turned icequeen...

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Originally posted by Quill:
Here's one from Reel.com:
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But the Matrix Reloaded has problems other than academic logorrhea. First and foremost is Don Davis' score, which is several degrees inferior than his work on the first film.
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Now--I don't agree with that rant...just thought I add to the thead.

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Originally posted by HadrianD:
I bet it's because of the techno/rock/orchestra fusion. It distracted the whole Matrix vibe to it.

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But if you've seen the film, you'd know that there is really very LITTLE "fusion" going on - most of Don's score is full orchestral, except for a few bits here and there.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by HadrianD:
[b]I bet it's because of the techno/rock/orchestra fusion. It distracted the whole Matrix vibe to it.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

But if you've seen the film, you'd know that there is really very LITTLE "fusion" going on - most of Don's score is full orchestral, except for a few bits here and there.

Dan[/B]

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so you're telling me that the burly brawl cue I heard in the movie wasn't in the movie at all?

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Originally posted by HadrianD:
so you're telling me that the burly brawl cue I heard in the movie wasn't in the movie at all?

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I said nothing of the sort. Read what I wrote again, please.

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comeon... in one of the most touted scene of the movie, we have the score backing it wtih techno... I'm saying that the reviewer probably had paid more attention to that those particular scene and didn't like what he heard....

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OK, fair enough - but I don't care if the most touted scene of the film had techno/rock/orchestra; I was just saying that overall, there was little "fusion" going on. Do you disagree with that?

Anyone loathe that overlong "rave" scene? Anyone in Zion over 25 years old? Not in that scene, that's for sure. Paaaadding!

Keep the movie focused on the key players, Neo, Morpheus and Trinity (and Smith) and away from those EPISODE 1 like Senate scenes... Dull stuff.

The audience I saw it with, the folks who cheered the 2FAST 2FURIOUS trailer, had no idea what the "Architect" was telling Neo... Ironic.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by HadrianD:
[b] so you're telling me that the burly brawl cue I heard in the movie wasn't in the movie at all?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said nothing of the sort. Read what I wrote again, please.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>comeon... in one of the most touted scene of the movie, we have the score backing it wtih techno... I'm saying that the reviewer probably had paid more attention to that those particular scene and didn't like what he heard.... <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, fair enough - but I don't care if the most touted scene of the film had techno/rock/orchestra; I was just saying that overall, there was little "fusion" going on. Do you disagree with that?

Dan[/B]

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HaHA no

That being said I'll have to see it now.

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Originally posted by HadrianD:
ps. I'm starting to get the idea that your words has to be digested many time to ensure that you're not misunderstood

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LOL. Well, now you know why they have that "Reading Comprehension" section on the SATs.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by HadrianD:
[b]ps. I'm starting to get the idea that your words has to be digested many time to ensure that you're not misunderstood <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL. Well, now you know why they have that "Reading Comprehension" section on the SATs.

Dan[/B]

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There was only one scene in the movie that I truly hated and didn't understand why it was necessary, and that was the Club Zion scene. It looked like a psychotic MTV Spring Break ad that had gone horribly wrong and was horribly long. They could have left out all of the mosh pit gyrating and just cut to Neo and Trinity (IMVHO). I found most of the rest of the scenes entertaining although overall I thought the fight sequences lacked the intensity of the first movie. And, I liked the little Adam-12 joke during the hi-way chase (well, at least I laughed, I don't think anyone else in the theatre got it. Man, I'm getting old!)

I do look forward to the third movie if only to answer all the new questions that I have. I *used* to think I knew what was real and what was the Matrix, but I'm beginning to doubt whether anything is "real". Plus I need an explanation of the whole Neo/Smith issue, so I can't wait for November.

1) Greatest effects I have seen in a film in a while. I thought the CGI would suck, but it was pretty darned seemless.

2) Sure the rave scene and the Zion parts were quite boring, but the sequence with the calm and cool, yet VERY evil Architect was nicely done.

3) The 100 Agent Smith brawl was the best fight scenes I have viewed in a movie. Nicely done (and I am more of the cerebral Dark City, Marathon Man type movie lover).

4) I thought the dialogue, while too philosophical at times, was fine. At least it wasn't ALL fights and brawls. I wish more was discussed or shown about the origins of the Matrix, but I was fine with what it presented.

Overall, THIS IS A MIDDLE FILM. The two movies were shot together as one film. I am more than willing to see if the Wachowskis can pull off a killer ending film. I believe they can and will withold final judgment until then.

Those complaining that this film sucked should give the final sequel a chance to spell everything out and conclude it. IF they leave it unresolved for future sequels I WILL FEEL ripped off. I hope they respect their audience better than that as I think they might.

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That was the only thing I needed to understand. I get why Smith was always dogging Neo, and why he was after the Keymaker, so I am guessing he is a rogue program looking to remake the Matrix in his own image???

Based on the scenes included at the end of the credits crawl, it looks like Smith may get the upper hand with regards to NEO (is it me or does it look like a showdown at Dodge type scene?).

Hopefully we will see a neatly wrapped up finale.

The Matrix - Reloaded dialogue :

You have already made your choice, therefore, you don't need to make another choice. When you are in the Matrix you have no choice. You know which door to choose but you will not choose the door because you are afraid of making the wrong choice. Using your free will to choose could allow you to make the wrong choice. What is the right choice. The only thing I know is that I made the wrong choice. I though about getting out of the theater but I had no choice. The movie was stupid I couldn't believe my choice. The right choice must have been to see Xmen 2 again.

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At least it had a script.

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