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Topic: X2 album chronological order?
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Wedge
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Can anyone help me with this? I don't have a clue!Also, I checked the IMDB, but I wasn't able to find out which of Mozart's piano sonatas was used in the film (the music Magneto was listening to in his cell, I presume) ... was it K. 576? If so, can anyone identify the specific passages, and where they might fit into the track order? Thanks!
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posted 05-03-2003 08:06 PM PT (US) ip
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Crono/Kyp
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See the film!  (again...and sit through the credits  ) --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 05-03-2003]
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posted 05-03-2003 08:50 PM PT (US) ip
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rkeaveney
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The album is not in chronological order.Ryan
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posted 05-03-2003 09:20 PM PT (US) ip
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Crono/Kyp
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Well duh --Bri
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posted 05-03-2003 09:31 PM PT (US) ip
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James
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I think it goes somthing like this...5. Cerebro
4. Sneaky Mystique
6. Mansion Attack
9. Magneto's Old Tricks
12. Playing with Fire
2. Storm's Perfect Storm
10. I'm In
8. It's Time
13. Death Strikes Deathstryke
3. Finding Faith
11. If you Really Knew
14. Getting Out Alive
7. Rogue Earns Her Wings
15. Goodbye
16. We're Here to Stay
1. Suite from X2 Track 16, "We're Here to Stay," seems to end with an excerpt from the main titles, so take that into consideration. And I'm not entirely certain whether track 3 belongs before 13, after 11, or between 13 and 11 (as I have placed it). But I think that's how it went. Kirk
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posted 05-03-2003 10:05 PM PT (US) ip
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James
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Oh, and I believe the Mozart sonata Magneto was listening to was K. 545 (Sonata No. 16 in C major).
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posted 05-03-2003 10:32 PM PT (US) ip
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dgoldwas
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SPOILERSMagento's Old Tricks is actually two different cues from the film; one from the middle when Mageneto escapes, and another one from near the end when he works with Cerebro. Also, the end of "We're Here to Stay", as indicated by Casey, contains some of the Main Title. So, you really can't resequence the CD fully. Dan
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posted 05-04-2003 12:19 AM PT (US) ip
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Bond1965
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That suite that leads the CD is NOT the End Credits. They are much longer. As a matter of fact there was some great action music (which may have been used during the Wolverine & Deathstrike battle) that I heard that blew me away.I'm sure Dan will correct me, but I also don't recall hearing that music anywhere on the CD. James
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posted 05-04-2003 08:59 AM PT (US) ip
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nightwing
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Good, I was just going to ask this. Thanks ya'll!
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posted 05-04-2003 09:01 AM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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OK, working off of James' cue-order, I rearranged the score on my computer. I separated Track 9 into two cues -- "Magneto Escapes" and "Reconfiguration" -- swapped the end of "We're Here To Stay" with the major portion of the "Suite From X2" to give myself a proper Main Title and End Suite, and added the two Mozart pieces (from my classical music collection).1. Main Title (1:02)
2. Dies Irae - Requiem Mass [W.A. Mozart] (1:51)
3. Cerebro (1:26)
4. Sneaky Mystique (3:32)
5. Mansion Attack (7:34)
6. II. Andante - Sonata No. 16 in C Major, K.545 [W.A. Mozart] / Magneto Escapes (1:46)
7. Playing With Fire (2:44)
8. Storm's Perfect Storm (2:19)
9. I'm In (4:11)
10. It's Time (3:40)
11. Death Strikes Deathstryke (4:52)
12. Reconfiguration (3:33)
13. Finding Faith (1:29)
14. If You Really Knew (3:21)
15. Getting Out Alive (3:59)
16. Rogue Earns Her Wings (1:35)
17. Goodbye (5:27)
18. We're Here To Stay / Suite From X2 (7:57) I have to say, the score makes for a MUCH better listening experience this way -- at least to my ears! For Track 6, the dissonant Magneto music sneaks in after around 20 seconds of Mozart, and the effect is quite awesome! B) Remember, anyone with a CD-burner and a decent audio editor can make this for themselves! If you don't have Mozart's Requiem Mass and Piano Sonatas, you really should -- you can probably find decent recordings for very good prices at any CD store.
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posted 05-04-2003 12:56 PM PT (US) ip
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MarkA
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Great idea Wedge !What part of the suite did you extract the "Main Title" from ?
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posted 05-04-2003 02:48 PM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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My "Main Title" = "X2 Suite" [0:00-0:33] + "We're Here To Stay" [1:20-end]My "End Suite" = "We're Here To Stay" [0:00-1:20] + "X2 Suite" [0:33-end] See how that works?
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posted 05-04-2003 08:16 PM PT (US) ip
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scoreguy16
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This has always confused me, why re-arrange the tracks? There's a reason they're in the order they're in.Clayton NP>Ransom
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posted 05-04-2003 08:53 PM PT (US) ip
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dgoldwas
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quote:
Originally posted by Wedge:
See how that works?
Err... your main title is waaaaaaaaay off. Dan
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posted 05-04-2003 09:49 PM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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Of course it is, Dan.  But for my "album listening experience" I wanted a shorter introduction of the theme at the beginning of the CD, and a longer exposition at the end. I've only seen the film once, so I make no claims whatsoever about "accuracy!"Out of curiosity, is ANY part of the X2 suite taken directly from the film? scoreguy16: The reason the tracks are in the order they're in is because John Ottman decided that the majority of people would enjoy them most in that configuration. "Enjoyment" is a subjective thing. I usually enjoy scores most when they resemble their original chronological order. I'm not alone in this. Fortunately, thanks to the magic of computers, I can buy the album the way John Ottman put it together, and listen to the album the way I want to hear it. Some people enjoy the disc just the way it is, and that's perfectly fine. Me, I like to tinker.
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posted 05-05-2003 08:27 AM PT (US) ip
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dgoldwas
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quote:
Originally posted by Wedge:
Out of curiosity, is ANY part of the X2 suite taken directly from the film?
Nope - they recorded the end titles (i.e. suite) seperately. (That's also why the performance isn't as good, IMHO, as the rest of the album - it was recorded on the first day) quote:
I usually enjoy scores most when they resemble their original chronological order. I'm not alone in this.
Indeed! There is even a certain executive producer who had a certain film open BIG this weekend who expressed the very same sentiment regarding a certain album that you're talking about. Dan
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posted 05-05-2003 09:10 AM PT (US) ip
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Dan Brecher
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quote:
There is even a certain executive producer who had a certain film open BIG this weekend...
Hmmm, nah the Lizzie Maguire movie only took 17.5 million. Dan (UK)
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posted 05-05-2003 09:40 AM PT (US) ip
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Swashbuckler
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I think that John Ottman may well have the "Gotta Fix What Ain't Broken for the Album Release" mania that John Williams has.Reprogramming The Usual Suspect into something closer to the film order also improves that score as a listening experience, in my opinion.
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posted 05-06-2003 05:11 PM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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OK, I saw the film again this afternoon ... this time I took notes. The CORRECT cue-order is here ... I've included unreleased cues, though not everything may be entirely accurate. Album tracks in CAPS.Main Title (Partially in WE'RE HERE TO STAY part 2)
Dies Irae from "Requiem" (Mozart, with a few Ottman grace notes)
Alkali Lake
Telepathy (almost totally ambient)
Premonition
Breaking News
Find Him First
Mutant Evidence
Some Kind Of War
Logan And Jean
Andante from "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" (Mozart)
One Final Talk
CEREBRO
MYSTIQUE SNEAKS AROUND
Nightcrawler Comes Down
Wolverine's Nightmare
Meeting With Magneto
The War Has Begun
MANSION ATTACK
Picking The Lock
Bottoms Up
Mutant 143
The Kiss
Allegro from "Sonata in C Major" (Mozart)
Magneto Escapes (Part 1 of MAGNETO'S OLD TRICKS)
Emergency Call
FINDING FAITH
PLAYING WITH FIRE
Mind Games
STORM'S PERFECT STORM
Fireside Chat
Reading Nightcrawler
I Love Him
Seductive Mystique
Magneto And Pyro
Captive Children
I'M IN
Invading The Base
IT'S TIME
Lover's Quarrel
Something's Wrong
DEATH STRIKES DEATHSTRYKE (The music for the brief cut-away to Pyro's defection sounds tracked)
Find The Mutants, Kill Them All
Reconfiguration (Part 2 of MAGNETO'S OLD TRICKS)
IF YOU REALLY KNEW
Breaking The Illusion
GETTING OUT ALIVE
ROGUE EARNS HER WINGS
GOODBYE
She's Gone
WE'RE HERE TO STAY (Part 1)
A Moment
Epilogue
End Credits (partially the X2 SUITE, with edited material from the film) Comments or corrections welcome!
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posted 05-07-2003 08:22 PM PT (US) ip
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HadrianD
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Good stuff. I'll be waiting for a 2CD bootleg now.
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posted 05-07-2003 09:11 PM PT (US) ip
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dgoldwas
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In the interest of accuracy, I've taken your rather impressive list, and replaced some titles with those that I know were what Ottman titled the cues.Main Titles (Partially in WE'RE HERE TO STAY part 2)
White House Attack (Ottman, with a bit of Mozart)
Alkali Lake
Telepathy (almost totally ambient)
Premonition
Breaking News
Find Him First
Mutant Evidence
Some Kind Of War
Jean and Logan
Andante from "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" (Mozart)
One Final Talk
CEREBRO
SNEAKY MYSTIQUE (shortened on CD)
Meeting Nightcrawler
Wolverine's Nightmare
Sorry Charles
MANSION ATTACK
Opening Cerebro
Bottoms Up
Jason's Story
Harmless Kiss
Allegro from "Sonata in C Major" (Mozart)
Magneto Escapes (Part 1 of MAGNETO'S OLD TRICKS)
What Bobby Can Do
FINDING FAITH
PLAYING WITH FIRE
Mind Games
STORM'S PERFECT STORM
Fireside Chat
Reading Nightcrawler
I Love Him
Seductive Mystique
Magneto And Pyro
Captive Children
I'M IN
Invading The Base
IT'S TIME
Lovers Quarrel
Something's Wrong
DEATH STRIKES DEATHSTRYKE (The music for the brief cut-away to Pyro's defection sounds tracked)
Find The Mutants, Kill Them All
Reconfiguration (Part 2 of MAGNETO'S OLD TRICKS)
IF YOU REALLY KNEW (shortened on CD)
Breaking The Illusion
GETTING OUT ALIVE
ROGUE EARNS HER WINGS (shortened on CD)
GOODBYE
She's Gone
WE'RE HERE TO STAY (Part 1)
Life Goes On
The Lake
End Credits (partially the X2 SUITE, with edited material from the film) There are two other cues "Permission" and "Where Is Everyone?", but I can't remember which those would replace in your list.... Ther was also a cue recorded for a deleted scene, "Xavier Escapes". Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-07-2003]
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posted 05-07-2003 10:24 PM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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Hmmm ... I think "Where is Everyone" is something Jason says to Professor X when he first pulls him into the Cerebro illusion. It probably replaces "Mind Games," which I think is that scene. Or maybe "Find The Mutants, Kill Them All."Might "Permission" be "Mutant Evidence," when Stryker gets the President's approval to attack the mansion? Not sure where a "Xavier Escapes" scene would fit in. Maybe I'll flip through the novelization next time I'm at the store.
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posted 05-08-2003 07:30 AM PT (US) ip
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dgoldwas
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Oh yeah - doublechecked, and the "Death Strikes Deathstrike" on the album is two cues edited together...... the 2nd cue "Deathstryke Dies" actually contains the music when Pyro leaves with Magneto, before jumping back into the fight. So, it's not tracked in. And "Where is Everyone?" definitely replaces "Mind Games". I also made a mistake, and "Jean and Logan" should replace "I Love Him / Seductive Mystique". Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 05-08-2003]
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posted 05-08-2003 09:12 AM PT (US) ip
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Wedge
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OK ... version 3.0 ... wish I could listen to the score this way! Thanks for all the help, Dan. Some people might consider this a pointless waste of time.  Main Titles (Partially in WE'RE HERE TO STAY pt. 2)
White House Attack (Ottman, with a bit of Mozart)
Alkali Lake
Telepathy (almost totally ambient)
Premonition
Breaking News
Find Him First
Permission
Some Kind Of War
Welcome Back
Andante from "Eine kleine Nachtmusik" (Mozart)
One Final Talk
CEREBRO
SNEAKY MYSTIQUE (shortened on CD)
Meeting Nightcrawler
Wolverine's Nightmare
Sorry Charles
MANSION ATTACK
Opening Cerebro
Bottoms Up
Jason's Story
Harmless Kiss
Allegro from "Sonata in C Major" (Mozart)
Magneto Escapes (pt. 1 of MAGNETO'S OLD TRICKS)
Xavier Escapes (Conjectural ... my guess is it belongs after his capture, but before the illusion takes hold.)
What Bobby Can Do
FINDING FAITH
PLAYING WITH FIRE
Where Is Everyone?
STORM'S PERFECT STORM
Fireside Chat
Reading Nightcrawler
Jean And Logan
Magneto And Pyro
Captive Children
I'M IN
Invading The Base
IT'S TIME
Lovers Quarrel
Something's Wrong
One Of A Kind (heard in DEATH STRIKES DEATHSTRYKE pt. 1)
Deathstryke Dies (partially heard in DEATH STRIKES DEATHSTRYKE pt. 2)
Find The Mutants, Kill Them All
Reconfiguration (pt. 2 of MAGNETO'S OLD TRICKS)
IF YOU REALLY KNEW (shortened on CD)
Breaking The Illusion
GETTING OUT ALIVE
ROGUE EARNS HER WINGS (shortened on CD)
GOODBYE
She's Gone
WE'RE HERE TO STAY (pt. 1)
Life Goes On
The Lake
End Credits (partially the X2 SUITE, with edited material from the film) [Message edited by Wedge on 05-08-2003]
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posted 05-08-2003 10:09 AM PT (US) ip
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