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    Topic:   Apples, iPods, and soundtracks

     Ed
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    Early today with much fanfare, Steve Jobs unveiled Apple's new online music service to the world. The new iTunes service is designed to work with the new and slightly redesigned "iPod," and while the service will be available to Apple users only for the next few months, Jobs held out the promise of a sound multi-platform music-downloading service that avoids all the legal tangles that sank Napster. With tongue planted firmly in cheek I set out to browse though the brave new world Steve Jobs hath wrought.

    The concept here is that you may browse though lists of Artists and Albums and select the tracks you want. There's no need to buy an entire album at $16.99 just to here the one track that you and your friends care about. Just use a credit card (your parents', one suspects?) and set up an account. Thereafter, each time you click to purchase a track you?ll be charged $0.99. Now, iTunes claims to offer 200,000 songs in their library, and the new iPod designs claim to hold up to 10,000 songs, so clearly an overzealous youngster could quickly sail though his college tuition fund if so inclined, though I suspect film music lovers are a more responsible breed, and can safely withstand temptations like these. Having downloaded these files, on may burn them to CD or store them on hard drives or delete them.

    In practice, while the benefits of one-click song shopping make sense for some portions of the music market, for film music fans this bold new experiment in music-on-demand holds some special challenges.

    First of all, I'm sure this will come as no surprise, but the hours-old iTunes store is still a little disorganized. Actually, it's a mess. You'll find a handful of film scores, sure enough, alongside the same show tunes and rock "inspired by" albums you would at any mall store. Selection approximates the choice available at your neighborhood Best Buy or Target stores. John Ottman's APT PUPIL is available. John Barry is represented by KING RAT, THE LION IN WINTER (only 3 tracks!), and THE SCARLET LETTER, along with Moviola II. John Williams is represented by CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, HOOK, and RETURN OF THE JEDI.

    Second, the idea here is to charge you for each song you download. For soundtrack fans, this presents a few probems. For instance, Jerry Goldsmith has just one album, FIRST KNIGHT, to his name at iTunes. Beware, young shopper, because "Arthur's Fanfare" clocking in at :047 will cost you the same $0.99 that "Arthur's Farewell" at 5:23 does, so choose wisely. In the same manner, the 20th Century Fox Fanfare from RETURN OF THE JEDI will set you back the same $0.99.

    Third, there is often a tenuous relationship at best between the Artist and Album categories. THE RED VOILIN is listed under Joshua Bell, violinist. THE LOVE LETTER is credited to "The Love Letter" as Artist, and so on. Many soundtracks are credited to "The London Symphony Orchestra" or, less helpfully, "various artists" or even "soundtrack." Until some coherent standard is worked out, you?ll have to be clever indeed to find what you want.

    Now I realize that few who read this will be contemplating purchasing scores his way. The collector's impulse runs strong, so the appeal of building a collection one cue at a time makes little sense. Still, I enjoyed browsing though the new service, if for no other reason than to see how far they have to go to make this new experiment succeed.

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    posted 04-28-2003 11:56 PM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    "The concept here is that you may browse though lists of Artists and Albums and select the tracks you want. There's no need to buy an entire album at $16.99 just to here the one track that you and your friends care about. "


    Well well well ... I suggested a similar idead about film scores and almost a hand full of people sort of insulted me. But I guess it's perfectly okay when Apple hasthe idea.....

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    posted 04-29-2003 12:48 AM PT (US)     

     Brendan Anderson
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    Very interesting! I didn't know Apple was on this bandwagon as well...

    This same type of system will also be integrated into retail stores in the not-too-distant future. The concept is that a store will have a web-connected kiosk set up where customers can browse through album track listings, select the exact tracks they want, and then instantly have a CD burned for them containing only tracks that they want thereby creating a commercial kind of "mix CD." I work at Borders and they are already planning to implement this as soon as it is cost-effective and workable.

    As film score fans, I think this is a remarkable opportunity if the companies who run the system live up to their claims. The days of missing out on the 1 or 2 score cues tacked on the end of an "Music Inspried By the Film..." are over. If the system works, I would be able to walk into Borders and create a CD made up of Silvestri's Lilo and Stitch score cues, Chris Young's two cues from The Country Bears soundtrack, Silvestri's two heartwarming cues from the Maid in Manhattan score, Fenton's Sweet Home Alabama cue and (just for good measure) David Arnold's two released Godzilla cues. Bada-bing bada-boom you've just got yourself a $16.99 (or so) CD containing film music you would have previously had to spend $80 or so to get a hold of.

    Anyway, who knows if these new do-it-yourself CDs will catch on, but I'm kind of excited to see what happens with it.

    -Brendan

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    posted 04-29-2003 01:14 AM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    Lilo and Stitch promo
    Country Bears 2CD

    Hummmm.....


    The system would be great to some extent. I could use the comedy section and burn cds of all my favorite comedy songs with out having to buy a cD with 13 songs, only 1 or two of which I like.
    Now, are these cd-rs? Or does the system make some sort of pressed cd? I remember reading here how some people would buy these 800.00$ things that could make pressed cds and then sell bootlegs on ebay and such and claim they are real pressed promos and then some idiot pays for it. Do we get this?

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    posted 04-29-2003 02:30 AM PT (US)     

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    Sound promising, but I personally have only one quibble.

    What about the joy of glossy inserts?

    I know it's mostly about the music, but I love having CDs on my shelf with great inserts and details about the score etc. etc. I am not attracted to the idea of walking out of my local record store with a CD-R in a black case.

    But I'm usre they'll find a way around this eventually....

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    posted 04-29-2003 03:25 AM PT (US)     

     jonathan_little
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    OK Justin, this idea sucks like no tomorrow.

    First of all, I read that the songs are going to be compressed at 128kbps. Now I don't care what sort of compression algorithm you use (I think Apple is using MPEG-? AAC,) but 128kbps files are going to contain audible compression artifacts.

    Secondly, as Camillu pointed out, there is a certain value in the booklets and having a physical CD with pretty artwork over a load of $.25 CD-Rs in those damn slimline cases.

    I wanted to just browse Apple's selection to see what they had, but this required downloading an application. I already have enough Apple software on my machine in the form of Quicktime. So, thank you Apple, I'll pass.

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    posted 04-29-2003 05:30 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    boggan...who DOESN'T insult you?
    I mean, it's just a given nowadays.

    Where was this epiphany you had about downloads for 99 cents?

    NP -- Tribute to a Bad Man, Rozsa

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    posted 04-29-2003 06:01 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by justin boggan:
    Now, are these cd-rs? Or does the system make some sort of pressed cd? I remember reading here how some people would buy these 800.00$ things that could make pressed cds and then sell bootlegs on ebay and such and claim they are real pressed promos and then some idiot pays for it. Do we get this?


    Justin, it's just a delivery service, using iTunes 4.0.

    You download the clips to your computer, and can burn them yourself.

    Dan

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    posted 04-29-2003 08:52 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by jonathan_little:
    First of all, I read that the songs are going to be compressed at 128kbps. Now I don't care what sort of compression algorithm you use (I think Apple is using MPEG-? AAC,) but 128kbps files are going to contain audible compression artifacts.

    MPEG-4 AAC compression is much better than MP3 compression, and a 128kbps MPEG-4 AAC audio file is similar to a 192kbps MP3 file, in terms of lossyness.

    192 ain't too bad sounding....

    Dan

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    posted 04-29-2003 08:53 AM PT (US)     

     Taylor
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    What with Kazaa, Morpheus, Grokster, et al and the 128 and below KBPS MP3s, I do not think the kid who wants this music will care about compression issues. I, for one, want the booklet, artwork, etc. and am willing to pay if it strikes my fancy. Maybe I am a relic from another era, but this holds promise for pop stuff, but I have to question it's practicality for scores.

    The problem is that unless they release OOP scores, that would be the only reason I would pay to use this. Does anybody know if they have a deal for scores with over 17 tracks or do I pay $25 for 25 tracks of a CD that sells in stores for $14-18?

    Also, since Apple is a licensee of the major labels, they won't get unreleased cues as the unions would need to get their share. So I am guessing this service will only have the tracks that the producer and labels want you to have. Unless the studios license this material to these services, I will stick to CDs, thank you very much.

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    posted 04-29-2003 10:39 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Taylor:
    Does anybody know if they have a deal for scores with over 17 tracks or do I pay $25 for 25 tracks of a CD that sells in stores for $14-18?

    It seems to be (after browsing around it a bit), that it's $0.99 / per track, or $9.99 / album.

    The 2-CD set of RETURN OF THE JEDI SE was $19.98 for the album, cause it's 2 discs.

    Dan

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    posted 04-29-2003 10:42 AM PT (US)     

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    Eh, 192kbs is OK, I prefer my own custom setting. And those people on this board who have heard my encoding skills never go back (Brian's 2nd Shameless Plug for the week)

    However, the idea is cool. But really, do we expect all those college students (or 15 year olds who think they are all that) who have no cash to begin with to start forking out a buck a song? People just want stuff for free (if they can help it), heaven forbid the users of Kazaa and Morpheus actually buy a CD...

    On a totally different note, I do believe this would help people in the editing business or other kinds of digital media (After Effects or what have you). I mean if they need a temp song or cue for something and don’t have the CD, pay a buck and you have it (if it's in the iTunes store), that’s not bad either. I can think of a few local people here who would go nuts over this, but like everything that is all nice and new…it’s still new, give it a few months to get the bugs out.

    My two cents.

    --Brian

    [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 04-29-2003]

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    posted 04-29-2003 11:23 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
    Eh, 192kbs is OK, I prefer my own custom setting. And those people on this board who have heard my encoding skills never go back (Brian's 2nd Shameless Plug for the week)

    Oh crap, I just spewed my drink everywhere I was laughing so hard. Mwuahahahahaha! Thanks Bri!

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    posted 04-29-2003 12:02 PM PT (US)     

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    I love the idea, but I have too much experience downloading stuff only to find that whoever tagged the track had no idea what the [Censored] they were talking about.

    The "End Titles" from Alien3 by John Williams? How did that happen?

    Frankly, I don't find 192 to be all that great either. The mp3 format is fantastic for portable music, but I prefer encoding mp3s myself, as does Crono/Kyp, as I hate hearing artifacts.

    When I am home, however, I didn't spend all this [Censored]ing money on this system only to be putting sub-standard audio on it. Especially now that I've heard some of the possibilities available; the clarity of SACD and DVD-A make CDs sound like Victorla.

    My personal tastes, and I think the tastes of many on this board, will gravitate away from low-quality CBR mp3s.

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    posted 04-29-2003 04:49 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
    My personal tastes, and I think the tastes of many on this board, will gravitate away from low-quality CBR mp3s.

    Maybe so. But have you actually LISTENED to the audio samples on Apple's service?

    Dan

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    posted 04-29-2003 04:51 PM PT (US)     

     Ed
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    As I indicated above, I don't see soundtrack fans getting much out of this. One could download the score excerpt from some "inspired by" albums, but beyond that I just don't know. Is this service for you? Well, if you find yourself describing, say, Madonna or Seal as "artists," then it's for you. If "composer" is a big part of your vocabulary, then I think not.

    I offer this possibility: this service may help those who are wondering about a particular score. Hearing excerpts before heading off to the store would make a decision easier.

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    posted 04-29-2003 08:38 PM PT (US)     

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    192 Kbps might be fine for a MP3 but I want digital music I buy to be as close to perfect as possible. If I'm paying then I don't want 256 or even 320 Kbps. I want the actual .wav or .cda.

    I like the idea of downloadble music, but I'll want untill I can get actual CD quality and not near CD quality.


    PS. Have you priced these Ipods? $300 for the cheap one and $600 for the 40 gig one.
    A little pricey like most other Apple products.

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    posted 04-29-2003 09:21 PM PT (US)     

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    "boggan...who DOESN'T insult you?
    I mean, it's just a given nowadays. "

    Ahh JJH.....

    I'm not gonna waste the perfect comeback on you now, But don't think I don't have it. Oh yes, it's time will come!


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    posted 04-30-2003 12:20 AM PT (US)     

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    I love my Mac! Steve Jobs says so.

    No, seriously, Jobs is taking the 'moral high-ground' (a sort of mea culpa for his "Rip, Mix Burn" edict) while simultaneously advancing consumer choice by providing a new-fangled shopping interface with a clean conscience, "Buy, Mix, Burn" philosophy.

    I certainly don't think this inital introduction of the iMusic Store Service to be the last word. I expect there will be a great many changes in the future.

    But, do I need it?

    As a browsing tool, using iTunes 4 is...well, it's terrific (with a cable modem of course). It beats anything currently on the web as far as I'm concerned; I was just sampling some Schubert lieder the other day. Great sound quality through my Harman Kardan soundsticks.

    Naturally, the catalogue will grow. It's just a matter of time...and licensing. As for 128 bit ACC downloads, well, even I'm a little leary. Nevertheless, the occassional 99¢ download for one or two tracks ain't gonna offend my ear or audio system, particularly when I take into consideration some of the b...tlegs I still play.

    And, seriously, I do love my Mac.

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    posted 04-30-2003 03:47 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by MWRuger:
    PS. Have you priced these Ipods? $300 for the cheap one and $600 for the 40 gig one.
    A little pricey like most other Apple products.

    I bought the 20GB iPod two months ago for $909 CAN (taxes included). Yes, it's a litte pricy but trust me it is the best thing I own. And even with the new 30GB iPod at at $50 less with 10GB more I'm still happy with my purchase. Plus, I love the old scroll wheel design compared to the new design.

    I love my iPod!

    BTW, the new models are 10GB, 15GB and 30GB... there are no 40GB iPods... yet!

    -Erik-

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    posted 04-30-2003 08:24 AM PT (US)     

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    $909 CAN (aka $633.54 USD as of 11:29am EST) can buy a whole load of CD-Rs that work in existing cheap portable CD players and [most] in-dash car CD players, with plenty of cash left over to pay your FMS dues. By using CD-Rs, I also don't have to put up with the sacrifice in quality of a compressed audio format.

    I suppose it all depends on how you listen to your music. I listen a lot in my car, which is equipped with a CD player and I have about a half dozen mix CD-Rs that I cycle through it. I typically only use my portable CD player when I'm traveling via air which happens about .25 times a year.

    I guess if you listen to music on the go a lot, one of these portable music players could be a good idea... But do we really need 10 or 20gb worth of music? I already have my whole film music collection in MP3 format (don't worry, it's not shared) and it's about 18gb. I have absolutely no need for portable access to my complete music collection. I don't even listen to it all when I have access to it at home.

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    posted 04-30-2003 09:06 AM PT (US)     

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    quote:
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    Originally posted by jonathan_little:
    $909 CAN (aka $633.54 USD as of 11:29am EST) can buy a whole load of CD-Rs that work in existing cheap portable CD players and [most] in-dash car CD players, with plenty of cash left over to pay your FMS dues. By using CD-Rs, I also don't have to put up with the sacrifice in quality of a compressed audio format.
    I suppose it all depends on how you listen to your music. I listen a lot in my car, which is equipped with a CD player and I have about a half dozen mix CD-Rs that I cycle through it. I typically only use my portable CD player when I'm traveling via air which happens about .25 times a year.

    I guess if you listen to music on the go a lot, one of these portable music players could be a good idea... But do we really need 10 or 20gb worth of music? I already have my whole film music collection in MP3 format (don't worry, it's not shared) and it's about 18gb. I have absolutely no need for portable access to my complete music collection. I don't even listen to it all when I have access to it at home.


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Trust me... it's great to have 18.5GB of music with you at once. That's about 350 albums in the palm of your hand. There is no need to pack 20 or 30 CD's for the long trip... it's all in a machine that is the size of a deck of cards. Plus, I'm able to create great mixes (playlists) in the iPod. For example, my John Williams mix has 159 tracks. 695 minutes of music. It's great!!!

    And as for sound quality... I've encoded my entire collection in 192kbps MP3s. I'm very happy with the quality!!!

    -Erik-

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    posted 04-30-2003 10:36 AM PT (US)     

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    I just bought the 30gb ipod (should get it delivered to the office on Friday). I'll be EXTREMELY interested in the sound quality but I will probably just use this to archive my CDs at the highest quality possible for playback in my car...right now I'm sick of having 60 CDs fall off my car seats every time I hit the brakes.

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    posted 04-30-2003 11:01 AM PT (US)     

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    I don't have any problem with the Ipod except the price and as far as encoding my own CD's 192Kbps or 224 is fine.

    I just don't want to spend money for inferior audio quality.

    Erik, I thought 40 gb was a bit much. That just makes it worse though with 30 GB for $600.00.

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    posted 04-30-2003 12:50 PM PT (US)     

     Kevin
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    Some more news has come to light about this subject...

    Updated iPod News

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    posted 05-06-2003 12:20 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    (Eds. Note: Apple users, the cost of reading this article is $1. Please send your payment to BBspot.com)



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