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rkeaveney Oscar® Winner	Jerry Goldsmith's score for TIMELINE is being replaced. More details: http://www.cinemusic.net/blog/index.html Ryan
posted 04-17-2003 10:14 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Can I get a hell yeah for composer Brian Tyler! Bummer about Jerry, I was looking forward to this one. --Brian
posted 04-17-2003 10:20 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Oscar® Winner	Oh swell, another composer for Goldsmith fanatics to despise.....
posted 04-17-2003 10:33 PM PT (US)

Matthew Oscar® Winner	Being the Goldsmith fanatic that I am,this news if indeed true is extremely disappointing.As this was one the scores I was most anticipating this year.But I am also a big Brian Tyler fan,so I hope that he will come up with something good as well.Although I would love to know the reasoning behind the decision,seeing as though the film has been finished for some time. [Message edited by Matthew on 04-17-2003]
posted 04-17-2003 10:43 PM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	Maybe the producer(s)/director of the film didn't like it? --Brian NP: Children of Dune
posted 04-17-2003 10:46 PM PT (US)

Matthew Oscar® Winner	That's a definate possibility.But if that were the case you would think Donner and/or the producers would have thrown it out sooner.After all,the score was apparently recorded late last year.But what do I know.Perhaps it has to do with the dreaded test screening process. [Message edited by Matthew on 04-17-2003]
posted 04-17-2003 10:56 PM PT (US)

Dylan Oscar® Winner	This is terrible news, I was looking forward to a new Goldsmith score. Well, I guess we can make the prediction that the "Timeline" score will end up unreleased, like Elmer Bernstein's "Gangs of New York." Too bad these veteran composers are having their scores rejected. Dylan [Message edited by Dylan on 04-17-2003]
posted 04-17-2003 11:01 PM PT (US)

Ed Oscar® Winner	This is sad and unwelcome news. Without any slight aginst Brian Tyler, the re-teaming of Donner and Goldsmith should have been one of the big events of the year. I'd lie to hear the scuttlebutt on this one. Does anyone know if Goldsmith actually wrote a score, or was there some other reason? Sigh
posted 04-17-2003 11:13 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Oscar® Winner	Jerry's done. Throw in the towel. And throw out that U.S. Marshals score while you're at it. You have to wonder if that's why he's being replaced. "Jerry, um, holy sh*t will you please stop with the U.S. Marshals theme." Shaun
posted 04-17-2003 11:14 PM PT (US)

Erik Woods Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Ed: Does anyone know if Goldsmith actually wrote a score, or was there some other reason? *Sigh* According to orchestrator Mark McKenzie the score was recorded in December 2002. McKenzie said it was an incredible score!!! Here's hoping that Varese picks up the now rejected score and releases it for all to hear. BTW, this blows... but it's great news for Tyler!!! -Erik-
posted 04-17-2003 11:25 PM PT (US)

Rich Douglas Oscar® Winner	one word sums up my opinion... DAMN! Rich
posted 04-18-2003 12:23 AM PT (US)

SPQR Oscar® Winner	A pity, but I'm not at all surprised. Personally, I'd sooner see Goldsmith retire than have him score yet another steaming pile of s**t.
posted 04-18-2003 12:48 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Oscar® Winner	Goldsmith ... rejected??? Was said director on a hugh high? Nothing personal against Brain Tyler, I bet this will be the score that puts him up there perma-style, but come on! Goldsmith! He's been the master for decades. It had to be the director that was bad, not Goldsmith.
posted 04-18-2003 05:02 AM PT (US)

Philipp Oscar® Winner	This must be a first for Jerry, being a score of his rejected, isn´t it?
posted 04-18-2003 05:05 AM PT (US)

lars b Oscar® Winner	Actually, it has happened a few times before, but i would never have expected it by a Donner/Chrichton project, two people who have always praised Goldsmith !
posted 04-18-2003 05:22 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Erik Woods: According to orchestrator Mark McKenzie the score was recorded in December 2002. That's very strange. Goldsmith even mentioned that they recently had finished the movie/score during one of the London concerts! Anyway, I agree with Lars. Rejecting Goldsmith is bad enough, but from Donner/Crichton, this borders in treason.
posted 04-18-2003 05:30 AM PT (US)

BobaMike Oscar® Winner	perhaps the movie was recut or whatever and Goldsmith didn't want to/was unable to rescore it? Sad news. BobaMike
posted 04-18-2003 06:20 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Oscar® Winner	Well, I know that one of the producers loved the score, and kept raving to me about how "Dick loves it too". They had just finished recording it a few weeks ago, at the beginning of the month. So.... I dunno what happened here! Maybe the film didn't test as well after they put his score in, and they made this decision with a heavy heart? Maybe the studio made the decision, and not the Donners? Dan [Message edited by dgoldwas on 04-18-2003]
posted 04-18-2003 07:07 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Oscar® Winner	Crap! It's probably true. It's always troubling when a financially important movie keeps getting tinkered with. Too many times the score is the usual casualty. Someday the story will come out. So now the only way I'll get to hear one of my most anticipated scores is to hope for a good, pirated boot.
posted 04-18-2003 07:16 AM PT (US)

Widescreen Oscar® Winner	Do we know how legitmate this news? I'd hate to think it was the case, because from all the shared news here, it seems to me something's missing. As common as arbitrary decisions like this are made, considering the repoir here, it seems too easy to say it was a test screening. I think something else has transpired. I can't suggest what, and I'm not getting all conspiracist-like, but we're not getting the whole picture. I don't want the situation to turn out this way, but if it's anything like the chronology that occured with Legend, maybe someday we'll have a version of Jerry's music on CD, like people here are suggesting. I don't think it will be right away, though.
posted 04-18-2003 07:30 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	Heh, there goes the one 2003 score I was planning to buy. Philipp, Jerry has been rejected before. I think Two Days in the Valley, Gladiator (1992), and Alien Nation come to mind. Oh well. Jerry got his nice fat paycheck, though it must be personally frustrating to have weeks of work thrown into the trash.
posted 04-18-2003 07:34 AM PT (US)

MarkA Oscar® Winner	What are the logistics that are involved for a record company to release a rejected score? Do they have to get rights from the studio? From the composer?
posted 04-18-2003 07:34 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Widescreen: I don't want the situation to turn out this way, but if it's anything like the chronology that occured with Legend, maybe someday we'll have a version of Jerry's music on CD, like people here are suggesting. I don't think it will be right away, though. The problem is that Timeline was recorded with unionized musicians, so a record company would have to pay thousands of dollars just for the performance. Legend was recorded with the National Philharmonic Orchestra, meaning no re-use fees. And remember, this is a Paramount score we're talking about here... If it ain't Star Trek, nobody wants to hear it I guess. [Message edited by jonathan_little on 04-18-2003]
posted 04-18-2003 07:43 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Oscar® Winner	I wonder if Graeme Revell finds this ironic. James
posted 04-18-2003 08:32 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Oscar® Winner	I really thought the days of Goldsmith having his work rejected were over, but I thought that about Bernstein as well. Again, they spent all the time and money on recording the score, it's finished, it's such a waste to start from scratch. I wonder what punk-nosed, Eminem-loving producer decided Goldsmith's score was too old-fashioned. I am really upset at this, but on the plus side I am completely taken with the work of Brian Tyler. The worst part is the terrible fact that Goldsmith's music would never be heard by anyone. Can you imagine if LEGEND didn't even include his music for the European release? Then who knows if that score would have ever seen the light of day? Think if THE MUMMY or HOLLOW MAN had been rejected, two of my favorite Goldsmith scores from the past 5 years - what a damn shame to lose any of the master's compositions! This might ruin my day. [Message edited by TV's Frank on 04-18-2003]
posted 04-18-2003 08:35 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Oscar® Winner	It is ironic, Bond1965, Revell just might be chuckling over this after losing the last Crichton film to Goldsmith, but damn it, Goldsmith's 13TH WARRIOR is brilliant!
posted 04-18-2003 08:39 AM PT (US)

rkeaveney Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Widescreen: Do we know how legitmate this news? I'd hate to think it was the case, because from all the shared news here, it seems to me something's missing. This is 100% confirmed, signed and sealed - I wouldn't have reported this if it wasn't so. Brian Tyler has met with Richard Donner, viewed TIMELINE and will begin work on the score almost immediately. Ryan
posted 04-18-2003 09:36 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Oscar® Winner	Then, I hope maybe, just maybe, the DVD will contain an alternate score track. Jerry would normally be opposed to the idea but in this case maybe he would consent since this is the only way his work will be heard proper.
posted 04-18-2003 09:39 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	I agree with Eric, hope Varese does pick this one up. Hey they did it for Ottman. I really was excited to hear this socre. Dan, yeah, well the studio IS Paramount and we all know how they can be... --Brian [Message edited by Crono/Kyp on 04-18-2003]
posted 04-18-2003 09:47 AM PT (US)

rkeaveney Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by BobaMike: perhaps the movie was recut or whatever and Goldsmith didn't want to/was unable to rescore it? I don't know all the behind-the-scenes story, but I do know that William Friedkin recommended Brian Tyler to Richard Donner, who in turn hired Tyler for TIMELINE. Sometimes when scores are rejected there is a need for changes first, and the composer is a little unflexible or unavailable, leading to the complete toss. The film has already been temped with Brian's music from COD, HUNTED, FRAILTY and DFALLS, so I think they like what they hear. Ryan
posted 04-18-2003 09:47 AM PT (US)

juha Oscar® Winner	This is very disappointing. I was anticipating Jerry's score more than any other this year.
posted 04-18-2003 09:53 AM PT (US)

Widescreen Oscar® Winner	Suffice to say we all agrre JG being excised sucks, but I am intrigued by Brian Tyler being commissioned, it's a good step in his career path, and after hearing some The Hunted, it could work. However, the last time Donner went with somebody up and coming, I didn't really like it much- here's hoping to better times.
posted 04-18-2003 10:38 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Oscar® Winner	Okay, rejected for Goldsmith: Alien Nation And waht others? I know there was one that had a word like "prize" in it or something similar.
posted 04-18-2003 10:47 AM PT (US)

Bond1965 Oscar® Winner	It looks like 2003 is Brian Tyler's year and if you guys hadn't been so complimentary about him, I might not have rushed to check out his work. He is DEFINITELY one to watch. This is great news for him. I'd MUCH rather see Tyler get the work than one of the MV clones, as they get all the assignments these days. But you all are forgetting one important thing about "Timeline." Replacing the score 9 times out of 10 usually means trouble on the film. Let's hope the film is not the dud that "13th Warrior/Eaters of the Dead" was. James
posted 04-18-2003 11:10 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Oscar® Winner	Gladiator (not the Scott one, of course) Wall Street - Although I think it was a mutual parting of ways in that case. The Public Eye Two Days in the Valley The Kid - creative differences led to him departing the project.
posted 04-18-2003 11:11 AM PT (US)

Crono/Kyp Oscar® Winner	WS buddy, check out "Children of Dune" --Brian NP: Children of Dune
posted 04-18-2003 11:30 AM PT (US)

Jeron Oscar® Winner	Bad, bad, terrible news... I'm very sad.
posted 04-18-2003 11:38 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by justin boggan: And waht others? I know there was one that had a word like "prize" in it or something similar. The Prize wasn't rejected. But there's some rejected Goldsmith thing called Gladiator. From what I've read, it's not very good, but I haven't heard it myself.
posted 04-18-2003 11:43 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Oscar® Winner	It was "The Public Eye" as I said, similar. Galdiator was a 1992 boxer movie. And yes, I heard it is bad.
posted 04-18-2003 11:56 AM PT (US)

Dinko Oscar® Winner	quote: Originally posted by Crono/Kyp: hope Varese does pick this one up. Hey they did it for Ottman. I really was excited to hear this socre. As pointed out elsewhere: the Ottman (and Eidelman) rejected scores released by Varèse Sarabande were recorded out of the AFM's evil reach. As for the news, I like it not. Tyler is better than the MediaVentures synth bangers, but then, I'm still not impressed with any of Tyler's music that I've heard. So either way, I don't care. CNNBREAKING NEWS: Timeline Turns into Stinker.
posted 04-18-2003 12:22 PM PT (US)

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