Of course, studio brass HAD to get their greedy paws involved and who knows what else happened. I'm happy for Brian Tyler, a talent that definitely deserves the chance to prove himself on this project, but, as this was the single most anticipated film score for me this year, it is touched by a great sadness and disappointment as well.

Paramount sucks.

I've been dreaming since I heard Jerry was scoring it, on how he would do certain things.

I don't know why everyone is so shocked. Jerry's film music seems to be tailing off in recent years, reaching the nadir of NEMESIS. No one here has heard his score for TIMELINE, so it could potentially stink, big-time.

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Originally posted by rkeaveney:
A scrapped score is not always a sign of a mediocre film. GANGS OF NEW YORK was one of last years best.

I don't know why everyone is so shocked. Jerry's film music seems to be tailing off in recent years, reaching the nadir of NEMESIS. No one here has heard his score for TIMELINE, so it could potentially stink, big-time.

Ryan

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Well...YOU thought "Gangs of New York" was one of the year's best. I didn't. It was a mess. And I don't even think Elmer's score could have helped it.

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
Hopefully by November, Tyler's score will be rejected and replaced by tracks from "The Best of John Williams" performed by the Orlando Pops on the Excelsior label.

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LOL

One thing's for sure. I won't be watching this movie, unless I don't pay for it.

They won't be getting my money.

Hector - pissed off

I have total faith in Tyler. I just purchased Children Of Dune, and if he can provide the same feel and excitement that this score has...then I am soooo ready to hear it.

As far as Goldsmith goes, I really hope that they put the score out somehow. Somewhere deep inside I get the feeling he put a lot into it thinking this was his last chance to score something big. We'll see I guess...

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Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
I wonder what Tyler chicken, er, I mean the composer must be thinking of being the one replacing the Maestro.

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He's excited. He's doing his job. Richard Donner hired him, so don't blame the guy.

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Originally posted by James:
Steven Soderbergh recently called Paramount "a place where dreams go to die."

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The truth hurts...

He's excited. He's doing his job. Richard Donner hired him, so don't blame the guy.

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Of course he's not guilty of anything! I never said that, and I don't think anyone else has said that. Most people are annoyed with the decision by the producers or whoever made the decision.

Even if we don't like him(I know I don't know him, so I can't say anything bad or good) because we are mostly unfamiliared with him, I bet he respects the Goldsmith (Bill Murray, "the Kringle") :P

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Originally posted by Hector J. Guzman:
Even if we don't like him(I know I don't know him, so I can't say anything bad or good) because we are mostly unfamiliared with him, I bet he respects the Goldsmith (Bill Murray, "the Kringle") :P

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Of course he does. But he's wasn't going to whine to Richard Donner about how great Jerry Goldsmith is, when Donner asked him to score the movie!!

I must agree with Ryan and Shaun; Goldsmith's music has been stagnant over the past few years (with the exception of "The Mission" on SUM OF ALL FEARS), and it might really be time for him to hang it up. Brian Tyler's music is certainly not stagnant (just listen to DARKNESS FALLS, THE HUNTED, and CHILDREN OF DUNE in succession to hear this), and you all should realize that he is certainly a great choice for the job.

At this point, I'd rather hear a new Tyler score than a new Goldsmith.

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The only thing Jerry needs to improve upon is his taste in movies.

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Originally posted by JJH:
I think Goldsmith is a professional, and probably just gave the finger to whomever at Paramount, and moved on to the next project.

The only thing Jerry needs to improve upon is his taste in movies.

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Jerry must have the biggest house in L.A. for all the $$$ he seemingly must earn for these crapfilled films he scores.

Otherwise, why do them?

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Originally posted by Hornerfan:
From reading the messages in this thread, I have one conclusion: some of you people take film music WAY too seriously. I mean, come ON, it's just music! There's no reason to be sad or have heart failure over the fact that Goldsmith's score has been rejected. And people saying they'll boycott the film because Goldsmith has been rejected? I have one word for that: pathetic!

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You people?

What is it with this you people stuff?

Some of us people are massive Goldsmith freaks, and I thought everybody was aware of that. Jerry is what, in his mid 70s now? His scores are few and far between these days and its sad for us, his fans who enjoy his music, to see his latest music thrown in the garbage.

This coming from a guy who is a fan of a composer who hasn't written a single original note in decades...and thinks a new score will be different because a shakuhachi ISN'T used this time...gimme a break...

Having now adequately vented, I am excited for Tyler and look forward to hearing what he comes up with...he is definitely one of the most talented new composers working in Hollywood and I hope this propels him into the A-List crowd on a consistant basis.

Jerry Goldsmith is THE film composer, and I'm quite sure his vision for Timeline was nothing less than thoroughly captivating and dramatically poignant--just like nearly every single one of his other works is.

Brian Tyler may be a fine composer of music, and he may be preferable to Media Ventures, but he is no Jerry Goldsmith from what I've heard. Only James Newton Howard has consistently come close to imbuing a film with a sonic potency comparable to Goldsmith's standard. Tyler had better do his homework on this assignment....

How many people can still approach this unheard, future release objectively, now? Because some of you (the ones who actually pay their own way, not the ones who are going to mooch--those opinions hardly matter) are most certainly going to walk away thinking "Goldsmith would have done a better job."

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
So...as long as we're having a wake for a score we've never heard....what if Bryan Tyler *does* his homework, and turns in a score that you don't like?

How many people can still approach this unheard, future release objectively, now? Because some of you (the ones who actually pay their own way, not the ones who are going to mooch--those opinions hardly matter) are most certainly going to walk away thinking "Goldsmith would have done a better job."

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Speaking for myself, I am approaching this topic objectively.

When I asserted that Tyler should "do his homework" in preparing to pen his replacement score, I meant that he should carefully analyze Goldsmith's approach and others' writings on the subject [hint hint] so as to ensure his score accomplishes what the rejected score surely did. From what I've heard, Tyler lacks Goldsmith's understanding of how to score a film; with that understanding, his score will--at the very least--be entirely satisfactory.

Tyler's score probably won't be as impressive as Goldsmith's undoubtedly was. Goldsmith is Goldsmith; he's the film music industry's Tiger Woods. For reasons like those Michael Chricton provided in his liner notes for The 13th Warrior, Goldsmith is in a class all by himself.

In all likelihood, though, Tyler's score will be inferior to Goldsmith's primarily because of studio demands rather than a deficiency in talent. As all roads in the Roman Empire led to Rome, all indications are that Paramount executives scrapped Goldsmith's score for fraudulent motives--motives that almost certainly will be served by the end product.

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Originally posted by Lancelot:
What the rejected score did? The rejected score got rejected(!) Tyler got hired because they wanted someon else's (e.g., not Goldsmith's) approach.

Goldsmith, in all due respect, fairness, and honesty, is not Tiger Woods, or the metaphorical equivalent thereof. I don't think there is a fair equivalent.

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First of all, just because something happened, it does not mean it should or should not have happened. A number of rejected scores are far better than their replacements are. It is precisely because the studio rejected Goldsmith's superlative approach that I am concerned--that was my point! They don't know what they're doing!

Besides this, though, you're absolutely right that equating Goldsmith to Woods is not fair or honest. Woods isn't to golf what Goldsmith has been to the film music industry. It is debatable that Woods is the greatest golfer of all time; Bobby Jones and Jack Nicklaus are formidable contenders for that distinction. In contrast, there's no question that Goldsmith is the best film composer there's been.

Is Goldsmith's score to Timeline really that great just because Mark McKenzie says so? Anyone here think McKenzie is going to say "Goldsmith wrote an average score"?

Honestly does anyone really expect Goldsmith, based on his past few years of work, to really come up with something that doesn't sound like a re-hash of his last 8 or 10 scores?

Do you honestly think that Donner, Chricton or his assistants would actually go up and say "gee Jerry that score sucked!" We heard all the ridiculous hype for Nemesis and that turned out to be a polished but been there done that score.

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Originally posted by Bulldog:
First of all, just because something happened, it does not mean it should or should not have happened. A number of rejected scores are far better than their replacements are. It is precisely because the studio rejected Goldsmith's superlative approach that I am concerned--that was my point! They don't know what they're doing!

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Paramount thinks they know what they're doing. They're desperate to fix their crappy film and feel that replacing the score is a "good" thing. Brian Tyler will not copy Goldsmith's work for all the points that Lancelot mentioned.

For a good laugh, see this petition requesting that Paramount rethink their action. If Richard Donner and Michael Crichton couldn't convince Paramount to keep the score (I have no doubt they tried their best,) then there is no way in hell some fanboys with very limited writing skills are going to convince them otherwise.

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It is debatable that Woods is the greatest golfer of all time; Bobby Jones and Jack Nicklaus are formidable contenders for that distinction. In contrast, there's no question that Goldsmith is the best film composer there's been.

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You can say that--and you just did--but then you cannot say

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
Do you honestly think that Donner, Chricton or his assistants would actually go up and say "gee Jerry that score sucked!" We heard all the ridiculous hype for Nemesis and that turned out to be a polished but been there done that score.

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Mark, you're saying that Donner and Crichton were responsible for deciding to replace the score? If Donner didn't like Jerry's approach, why were additional recording sessions held a month or two ago? I would find it more likely that this was probably a decision by the "suits" at Paramount.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
Frankly I would like to see Goldsmith stay away from these type of pictures and maybe try something different for a change, like a romantic comedy or a drama minus guns, airplanes, gremlins, or knights. [/B]

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
37. Jonathan Little This petition isn't going to make a difference, but it's fun being a fanboy.

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Haha. Yeah, a good laugh. Regardless of it's completely ridiculous existence, the petition might be worth signing if it were written with a little more intelligence. As it is written now, signing would be like a middle-aged man joining a pee-wee softball team.

Brian Tyler will do fine.

Jeron