Jeron

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Originally posted by Bob Bowd:
I probably won't get to see this... Wednesday PM is busy for me. BB

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Then catch it Sunday PM on Space (if you have it). http://www.spacecast.com

--Brian

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Originally posted by Crono/Kyp:
Thanks Jer....but today is the 14th and it's Monday. I think you mean the 16th

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McKenzie's great underscore provides us with a score and far above your average "Trek" score. The score is a nod very much so to Jerry Goldsmith and his score to "Trek: The Motion Picture" and why not? Mark DOES orchestrate for Jerry The score is lush and sweeping with good performances by the “Guys in LA.”

All and all it was a great hour of TV. I hope Mark comes back again to score more "Trek." I'm also glad that Berman and Braga are letting film composers come in and score rather then their usual pool.

I must say, it's half way over and Mark's done a job quite well. Certainly went against the wall paper thing. Almost inspiring, as if the show could be more.

I was a little disappointed with the mix during the attack sequences, which really washed out Mark's percussive, rhythmic, frenetically odd-metered action cues. It's a shame, as they were more complex and engaging than the norm!

I'm hoping we'll be able to post some clips up on the site, but that might not be possible. If not, it's great to see those of you who watched the episode recognized and enjoyed Mark's fantastic contribution. Way-to-go, Mark!

Jeron

I know this is completely and totally, 100% unfair to say, but Brian Tyler's music for Calamar made an adequate episode much better than it should have been. McKenzie's score to Horizon made a decent episode...well...decent. It wasn't the typical drone, but it left me wanting more substance...and less playtime.

The main theme sounds more like something Horner wrote for BRAVEHEART than something Goldsmith might have written, but the action cues (when you don't have to deal with sound effects, you can hear it clearer) definitely harken back to Jerry's style.

Overall, I give it solid marks, but I was more "blown away" by Brian Tyler's score to "Canamar".

I think Mark's music fits wonderfully into the history of *good* TV Trek scores, and while he didn't stray too far from "the rules", his signature emotion and energy still managed to find its way in. What you'll find in Mark's score that you won't find in *most* others, is a wealth of very touching, tender thematic material amongst suprisingly thoughtful and complex action writing. His odd meters and brass writing are a great tribute to the Maestro.

But the moments that really take the cake, are the tender ones, in my honest and humble opinion. Writing like this just isn't found in TV Trek any more (Chattaway's "Inner Light" comes to mind), much less in any other weekly TV shows, period. I'd have to disagree with the likening of his main theme for 'Horizon' to anything James Horner wrote for 'Braveheart'. If it resembles any Horner score, it's probably 'The Pagemaster' - and even that's a stretch.

Regardless, I'll maintain that Brian Tyler and Mark McKenzie have contributed great, fresh material to the franchise. I know that Tyler will be coming back for more (looking forward with much excitement to the Regeneration(s?) episode), but I also look forward to any future efforts McKenzie may put forth.

Jeronimo

for the love of God and all things sacred, don't do that again.

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Originally posted by Jeron:
I'd have to disagree with the likening of his main theme for 'Horizon' to anything James Horner wrote for 'Braveheart'. If it resembles any Horner score, it's probably 'The Pagemaster' - and even that's a stretch.

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Take a listen again. I would send you an MP3, but, well, you know.

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Originally posted by Jeron:
I'll check it out! Perhaps I will eat my words.

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LOL, okay. I stole my roommate's Braveheart disc on the way to class and skipped to track 9, "Sons of Scotland". Mmmmmm, yummy words. Actually, yeah Dan (both of you!), I see a similarity, but it's the 2nd cousin by marriage kinda similarity.

Thanks for showing me!

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Originally posted by Jeron:
I see a similarity, but it's the 2nd cousin by marriage kinda similarity.

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Well yeah - I just said that it "sounds more like something Horner wrote BRAVEHEART than something Goldsmith might have written".

Never said it was a 1st cousin, or whatever.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Well yeah - I just said that it "sounds more like something Horner wrote BRAVEHEART than something Goldsmith might have written".

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Originally posted by Jeron:
This is true, though, I only ever compared Mark's action music to Goldsmith's writing, and likened Mark's theme to, well, something Mark would write.

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Ok, but my post was not a response to yours; it was merely an independent observation I was making. I never said anything about what you observed.

Apples and oranges, Jeron.

Dan

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Apples and oranges, Jeron.

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Yum.

Okie dokes, gotcha, coolio.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Well yeah - I just said that it "sounds more like something Horner wrote for BRAVEHEART.

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Thinking back on this, I don't see how Tyler's score is much different. It's a lot of fun and definitely a good effort on Tyler's part, but I specifically remember when I pointed out Tyler's outstanding score to you (prior to you seeing the episode), and then after you'd watched it, you said something to the effect:

"Yeah, it was really good, but it sounded like something Eidelman wrote for The Undiscovered Country." You even hummed the motif you were comparing it to in an effort to convince me.

Apples and apples... err, oranges I mean.

Looking forward to Regenerations... I'm sure Tyler's gonna deliver big time on the Borg tunes.

Jeron

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Originally posted by Jeron:
Thinking back on this, I don't see how Tyler's score is much different. It's a lot of fun and definitely a good effort on Tyler's part, but I specifically remember when I pointed Tyler's outstanding score to you (prior to you seeing the episode), and then after you'd watched it, you said something to the effect:

"Sounds like something Eidelman wrote for The Undiscovered Country." You even hummed the motif you were comparing it to.

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OK, and I never disputed that here, Jeron. Look at the subject line - this is about McKenzie's score - not Tyler's. If you wanna discuss that one, and whatever similarities it might have, sure, we can do that. But if your comment above was somehow supposed to negate my comments re: McKenzie's score, it does nothing of the kind.

Apples and oranges.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a flight to catch.

Dan

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Originally posted by Jeron:
Looking forward to Regenerations... I'm sure Tyler's gonna deliver big time on the Borg tunes.

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Personally, nothing Berman has done with Enterprise has made me rolled my eyes more than having the borg show up. Unless, this is all in relation to the events of First Contact, I will remain skeptical over this episode. Looks cool, but seems a bit too much like rewriting history...

Hopefully, the score will be good though!

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Originally posted by Jeron:
Right, right... It was just a sporadic thought and I wanted to post it. Not a big deal. And I wasn't trying to imply anything with my quote, I just thought it was funny that you were comparing McKenzie's score to this or that, when you'd done the same w/ Brian Tyler's. Nothin' more than that... a simple observation.

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Fair 'nuff.

Of course, if memory serves, i was unsuccessful at convincing you Tyler's score sounded like Eidelman's.... whereas we both agree there is a hint of similarity in McKenzie's to Horners.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
Of course, if memory serves, i was [b]unsuccessful at convincing you Tyler's score sounded like Eidelman's.... whereas we both agree there is a hint of similarity in McKenzie's to Horners.[/B]

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Originally posted by Jeron:
Perhaps I liked it so much I didn't wanna hear the similarities. I should really listen to it again.

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Perhaps. Go for it - I look forward to your findings.