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TV's Frank

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Oy vey, people! It's not even out and people are ready to discount it! I will be happy just to have the album presentation and the bonus tracks will just be icing on the cake. And I doubt the tracks still have the volume issues as if they are straight from the DVD. It seems that the sound quality overall is just a little sub par. We'll see serviceable it will be, I just won't be a Negative Ned before I even hear it for myself.
posted 05-01-2003 11:09 AM PT (US) 
Frank V

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by 1helluvamusicfan:
Hey Peter, how is the shipping date coming along? Are we still on target or what?<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>I would like to know this too. Buysoundtrax are already shipping their copies.
[Message edited by Frank V on 05-01-2003]
posted 05-01-2003 11:11 AM PT (US) 
1helluvamusicfan

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Alright, now the countdown begins and I'll have to make sure my mailman isn't sick this weekend!!!Thanks,
ChrisNP: Robocop (Poledouris)
posted 05-01-2003 11:33 AM PT (US) 
majestyx

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quote:
Originally posted by dgoldwas:
I'm not familiar with the details, but I'm sure Jones will see SOME money from it. As for the musicians, well, the London Symphony Orchestra doesn't exactly get re-use fees... soo..... none?Dan
And there, my friends, is the answer as to why Trevor would not hand over the tapes. The only one making any real money on this deal is the one putting the disc out. ANY percentage of $125,000 to Henson is a drop in the bucket to them. Depending upon the discount offered to other retailers, the profit margin on it probably isn't very high either. So that leaves the person (or persons if we are to believe that Numenorean is a company run by a number of people) who is releasing it with the majority of the profits. For Trevor it would be like, oh, I dunno, putting the score on an isolated track on a DVD, also known elsewhere as "not good business sense," resulting in some "unscrupulous bootlegger" make money off of Trevor's work on the 7 copies he might sell on ebay, provided it doesn't get pulled by the ebay police. So instead we have 5000 copies being sold legitimately, admittedly not from the best sources (but who cares, at least it's out there you whining fanboys, shut up! be happy! take what you get) and he STILL won't see anywhere near the money he would if he was allowed to do it himself.
posted 05-01-2003 11:34 AM PT (US) 
PeterK

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Dan, I think you misunderstand JL. Read again.To everyone who pre-ordered from MovieMusic (with successful credit cards): your discs are in the mail. Enjoy.
If you haven't received your email notification of shipment just yet, it's on its way.
I am going on vacation now. Buh-bye.
posted 05-01-2003 12:14 PM PT (US) 
Indysolo

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This is fascinating. I re-read the announcement at Muppet Central and here's what they had to say, "Disc Two features the full score that contains just about every note you hear in the final film as taken from the Jim Henson Archives. It runs about 30 minutes longer than the isolated score on the DVD, as often cues are cut or shortened for the film version, but still recorded."Obviously this didn't happen, and I'm starting to feel a little mislead. Anyone else feel that way?
Neil
posted 05-01-2003 03:14 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Misled? By something you read on the internet? That's never happened before!
posted 05-01-2003 07:28 PM PT (US) 
skellington
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So for short,
You take the already released bootleg, clean up the sound a little on a computer, take the isolated score from the dvd and you have the "new" double cd, right?
I wish I never ordered this cd!
I hope the sleeves and the booklet will make it worthy to own this cd.
There is still a chance Mr. Jones will release this privately probably as a promo In DDD quality, am I right?
posted 05-02-2003 06:41 AM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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Who was it that said Soundtrack fans are never pleased? Give them a banquet, they'll complain about the silverware.
posted 05-02-2003 02:17 PM PT (US) 
TimT

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quote:
Originally posted by skellington:
So for short,
You take the already released bootleg, clean up the sound a little on a computer, take the isolated score from the dvd and you have the "new" double cd, right?Right, I think the sound quality on the Album version sounds exactly the same as the LP bootleg which isn't too stellar. Sure its old but I've heard even older recordings that sound better. I don't detect a noticable difference between this release and the bootleg.
I've also read that the "Complete" disc is not really complete, its missing a few cues.I wonder, What did Numenorean do, that Trevor Jones couldn't do in the past 14 years, to get this score released on CD?
quote:
Originally posted by Lancelot:
Who was it that said Soundtrack fans are never pleased? Give them a banquet, they'll complain about the silverware.Part of what makes us different, is that we are slightly more intellectual than the adverage N*Sync head-boping teenaged soundtrack album buyers when it comes to music.
We listen to our music in the most intricate detail, as we memorize and try to interpret the composer's every thought, and feeling in every note. Our obsession is so extensive, that an incomplete soundtrack is likened to being forced to buy a Bible with missing pages.
We love to be in the company of other soundtrack fans. To be able to listen with, compare, express feelings, critique, and share opinions with a group of people who actual understand the music you're talking about is fasicnating! Even if we disagree with the soundtrack we're talking about.posted 05-03-2003 06:39 PM PT (US) 
Lancelot

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quote:
Part of what makes us different, is that we are slightly more intellectual than the adverage N*Sync head-boping teenaged soundtrack album buyers when it comes to music.Possibly. Some of us like to believe that. Others like to swing it like a sword. And should, heaven forbid, there be a disagreement between someone who feels they approach the music "more intellectually" than a guy whose enthusiasm for Trevor Rabin is without bounds, I'm sure that is with which the Trevor Rabin-enthusiast will be equated.
quote:
We listen to our music in the most intricate detail, as we memorize and try to interpret the composer's every thought, and feeling in every note.And that's where we start to fall apart--as followers, as "fans"...(But that's where religions and politicians fall apart, too--trying to "interpret" the thought of someone else's creation.)
quote:
Our obsession is so extensive, that an incomplete soundtrack is likened to being forced to buy a Bible with missing pages.Ok, the religious metaphor here is beginning to worry me. A Bible with missing pages is still a Bible, for anyone who understands the message, and knows what they're getting is an incomplete text. (I would tend to liken it more to being given a free pass to see a Shakespeare play performed from the re-worded quartos and folios, and then understanding some performances were, perhaps, lacking.)
And, after all, no one is being forced to do anything.
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We love to be in the company of other soundtrack fans. To be able to listen with, compare, express feelings, critique, and share opinions with a group of people who actual understand the music you're talking about is fasicnating! Even if we disagree with the soundtrack we're talking about.Yes. And no. Some of the discussions here have sparked bloodlust I'm certain.
Here's my problem: I've resisted the word "fan". I'm sure I say it sometimes because it becomes a way of automatically, instantaneously identifying a person with something in a way that no other word does, and people understand what you mean...However:
NON SCIENCE-FICTION READER: "He's a Star Trek fan."
NON SCIENCE-FICTION READER #2: "Ohhh."See the negative context being cultivated? "Fan" whether we realize it or not, is short for "Fanatic", and "Fanatic" as the definition implies, is a person "marked by excessive enthusiasm and intense uncriticial devotion".
I think we, as "fans", or "listeners" (a term that implies less), are very critical. Critical even to the point where we draw lines between ourselves as film-music "fans". Yeah, we're all "fans", but some of us prefer Jerry Goldsmith and some of us are moved by Hans Zimmer's latest. And being on one or another's side seems to limit the understanding that both seem essentially committed to the same ends.
Rather than "fans" the term I prefer to employ without trying to sound 5th Avenue about it, "afficiandos", which tends to suggest more that we have "affection" for scores, but not blind devotion.
So we haven't been given "the complete" score. Maybe it's the last version of the score on CD that will ever be. Are you (the collective, impersonal "you") going to say that you'd rather have nothing than something? And if you do prefer nothing, that's fine--it's your money. But for those who have had nothing for such a long time--or, even better, nothing "official" for a longer time--and have been anticipating a release, it is quite an event. And to quibble about minor things when you are given so much (an isolated score on DVD, a offical 2-Disc promotional release) to begin with seems petty.
[Message edited by Lancelot on 05-04-2003]
posted 05-04-2003 09:05 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

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quote:
Originally posted by Lancelot:
a offical 2-Disc promotional releaseHuh?
It's not a promotional release. It's legit, official, and retailed.
Dan
posted 05-04-2003 11:37 AM PT (US) 
rkeaveney

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If Jim Henson were still alive, Trevor Jones would have been able to release his score.Ryan
posted 05-04-2003 02:40 PM PT (US) 
sabbey

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Thought it was a promo myself. In any case, was there any remastering done to it. The first disc sound pretty good, but the second disc sounds as if it is several decades older than it actually is IMO...Not a big deal and none of the edits within seem to abrupt to me so far. Oh well, it was a good purchase!

posted 05-14-2003 02:34 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
