Price: $249.50

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Update on the official release date! Please do not take this as any bad premonition, because it's not.... the "official" release date is now April 29. The good news: MM is expecting these by the 25th or so, sooner if we're lucky, so everyone will have their CDs mailed before the weekend of the 26th. It's been a long wait for this one.... and it's finally happening. Taste the sweeetness already.

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Thanks,
Chris

Suffice it to say, the album is a mixed bag, but ultimately worth it for the first disc.

And if Jones owns the original master tapes does that mean he owns the music?

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Originally posted by TimT:
I don't understand. So Jones had no envolvment in this release at all? In most of his interviews Trevor Jones has expressed a strong interest, in one day releasing The Dark Crystal. I had thought that he was the whole reason for this Numenorean release.

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Yes and no. Jones wanted to release the CD himself, on his private label (CLEOPATRA, DINOTOPIA). Numenorean got the rights to release it, with Henson who OWNS the score.

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And if Jones owns the original master tapes does that mean he owns the music?

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No. He is just in possession of the original digital masters, and would not give them up for this release. But he does not own the music. (It is rare that any composer OWNS the music they write. Usually they do it as a work for hire.)

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
He is just in possession of the original digital masters, and would not give them up for this release.

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Thanks,
Chris

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Originally posted by PeterK:
Not very believable, either. I have to be the paranoid looooooooon now. Since when is the owner of the music not able to demand that the composer provide the master recording for the official release? Who produces an official release of a soundtrack without the composer, especially when the composer has shown great interest in producing the official soundtrack himself? Makes me think we'll see a "definitive" edition in the future.

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Jones might not own the MUSIC, but he's in possession of the digital masters. That he chose not to provide them to Numenorian for this release was doing a disservice to his fans. And while Henson does own the music, I don't really know if there is a way - short of suing him - to force Jones to give up his digital masters. (And it's not exactly cost effective to sue Jones, ya know?)

So, Henson went with what THEY had.

And you guys honestly wonder why it took so damn long for this release to come out? Maybe it was because they kept trying to get the masters from Jones! (Clue alert!)

As for composers not being involved in CD releases - Film Score Monthly does that, ya know... and hey - even your favorite Canadian label, Disques Cinemusique doesn't always involve the composer.....

Dan

The only way out was not to sue. Obviously there was a clash between two parties, both wanting to produce the CD. There was no amicable agreement, obviously, and now we have what you call a shameful release. Obviously.

As for FSM and others, they work with composers all the time when it comes to composers who show a very strong interest in seeing their music released. Those times when the composer isn't involved (a la Jerry Goldsmith titles), it is because the composer has no strong interest in seeing these soundtracks released.

Disque Cinemusique? Woops, Delerue is no longer with us, so there's big possibility Clement might have had some trouble involving him.

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Originally posted by PeterK:
The only way out was not to sue. Obviously there was a clash between two parties, both wanting to produce the CD. There was no amicable agreement, obviously, and now we have what you call a shameful release. Obviously.

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Obviously. Glad you have all the answers! (So, why did you ask all those questions - unless... you were being rhetorical?) What ever would we do without you?? Oh wait - I think I know the answer to that one.

End of round 12.

Gentlemen...go to your neutral corners.

Although it hurts to hear that it is not the best quality the CD could have been, it is far superior to anything else out there that I would spend my money on.

Thanks,
Chris

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Originally posted by majestyx:
to what is now essentially the at least twice bootlegged LP release and the score as it appears on the DVD's isolated music track, complete with volume fluctuations and dropouts. Tell me how lucky we are again...

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Hey hey - who the hell said there were volume fluctuations??? (Talk about a presumption!)

And this isn't a bootleg, it's an officially licensed release, which makes it more legit than that DVD rip you might have.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:

Hey hey - who the hell said there were volume fluctuations??? (Talk about a presumption!)

And this isn't a bootleg, it's an officially licensed release, which makes it more legit than that DVD rip you might have.

Dan

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To quote the review on your site:

"The second disc, however, is a mixed bag. Yes, it's the complete score - but as heard in the film. That means, edits and cuts are here"

As heard in the film would mean volume fluctuations. The DVD had them here and there. And since I bought the DVD, my CD of it is "legitimate," whatever that word seems to mean these days. It's just on another medium.

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Originally posted by majestyx:
As heard in the film would mean volume fluctuations.

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Uhh.. no. It means exactly what I said it means: edits and cuts.

Dan, are you getting kickbacks from Mark Banning or something? The countless BUYSUCKSUCKSUCK links on webpages managed by you are making me nauseous. They're your pages and you can link to whoever you want to, but why link to that? They might be the so called "distributor" (actually I'd invent the word antidistributor to describe them) of this release, but that 'store' is the most useless one on the internet. Don't even get me started on their price gouging on both their store prices (e.g. Intrada $15 releases for $20) and on eBay.

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
Dan, are you getting kickbacks from Mark Banning or something? The countless BUYSUCKSUCKSUCK links on webpages managed by you are making me nauseous. They're your pages and you can link to whoever you want to, but why link to that?

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No, I don't get kickbacks from Mark Banning. Your inability to count two links (one for the purchasing link, and one in the review) is humorous. ("countless"! lol!) I provided the links because they were kind enough to provide me with the first CD off the presses for review purposes. It's called professional courtesy, something that is misunderstood on this message board.

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Originally posted by majestyx:
How much of the $125,000 to be made off of this release (based upon the press run and the retail price) will end up in the musicians' and composer's hands?

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I'm not familiar with the details, but I'm sure Jones will see SOME money from it. As for the musicians, well, the London Symphony Orchestra doesn't exactly get re-use fees... soo..... none?