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    Topic:   Bernard Herrmann's Ghost and Mrs. Muir

     jonathan_little
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    I recently picked up the original 1947 tracks to Bernard Herrmann's The Ghost and Mrs. Muir (Varese VSD-5850.) What a listen!

    This is a very passionate score, which is a bit surprising as the liner notes (by Steven Smith) state that this score was written as Herrmann was divorcing his first(?) wife. There are a few great highlights on the album, most notably the "Spring Sea" track, which has a beautiful swell in the orchestra, similar to that in Vertigo's "Scene D'Amour."

    Another great track is "The Passing Years," which starts out quite stormy and then Herrmann bends the orchestra into the more intimate music heard throughout the score. He really achieved a very interesting effect here. It sounds like he put a "pitch knob" on the orchestra and just wound it up.

    The optical 1947 tracks sound pretty good, and most of the tracks have been remixed into stereo. I think this is the oldest recording in my collection, but it's still quite enjoyable to listen to. The performance is great, with the orchestra applying the appropriate amount of tenderness throughout. The only disappointment is the finale track, which fades out very abruptly on the last fermata. I used some digital tools to extend this note to be 50% longer, but the ending of this disc still annoys me.

    All in all, the final track is a minor thing that I guess I can [try to] overlook, since the rest of the music on the album is so good. The film was recently released on DVD, both of which I have not seen yet. I think I might pick it up since it contains a commentary with Christopher Husted, the manager of Herrmann's estate. I've also read on the Talking Herrmann board that the finale doesn't fade out as it does on the album, so I could buy it and blend the final bit of music from the DVD with the album version (assuming there is no dialog here.)

    [Message edited by jonathan_little on 03-22-2003]

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    posted 03-22-2003 02:26 PM PT (US)     

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    1947? yucky. that is like soooo old. its like before i was even like born. like how do you even burn an optical disc to mp3? does it go through something like that optical connection for my minidisc player? im sure you did a typo and meant 1974, which is prehistory but not that long ago. you are like soo weird man.

    I think all I know from this score is the 'Andante Cantabile' available on Varèse Sarabande's 20th Century Fox compilation. I liked that a lot, but not enough to get the CD. The sound was fairly good for something recorded over half a century ago.

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    posted 03-22-2003 02:46 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, Dinko, you figured it out. I'm attempting to counter the "All Zimmer, all the time" folks on this board, but it's a losing battle.

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    posted 03-22-2003 02:56 PM PT (US)     

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    OHHMMYYYY GODD!!!! IIILLOVE ZIMER SOO MUCH HE AWSOME!!!!!

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    posted 03-22-2003 04:11 PM PT (US)     

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    I've rambled on about this one before, but it's my favorite Herrmann score. If Elmer Bernstein's re-recording of it crosses your path, snap it up, because it rivals the original (though it's less complete) and has really full, warm sound.

    I, too, regret the mastering error in the last track. I've wondered if this was a foulup in preparing the cd, or maybe was present in the source they used.

    Still, this is one of the great ones. Not to be missed. The film's pretty good, too.

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    posted 03-22-2003 08:22 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by jonathan_little:
    This is a very passionate score, which is a bit surprising as the liner notes (by Steven Smith) state that this score was written as Herrmann was divorcing his first(?) wife.

    True, but he had fallen in love with her cousin, who was also named Lucy. They married soon after.

    Oddly, the young widow in the film was ALSO named Lucy.

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    posted 03-22-2003 08:25 PM PT (US)     

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    there is no way you can't pick up The Ghost and Mrs. Muir.

    one of Herrmann's very best.

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    posted 03-22-2003 10:38 PM PT (US)     

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    The Ghost and Mrs. Muir is one of the finest scores ever written for a motion picture. It is one of Herrmann's most personal compositions and he often counted it as his favourite (though he would later give that title to Obsession). The OST is by far the best recording, but Bernstein's re-recording is also worth having, if anything for the improved sound quality.

    Any fan of film music should really run out and get this right away. Truly a masterpiece.

    SFT

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    posted 03-23-2003 07:02 AM PT (US)     

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    I have the original recording and it sounds pretty good for a score from 1947. The fade out has been the subject of much discussion at FSM. I've debated about getting the Bernstein version, which I've seen from time to time.

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    posted 03-23-2003 08:56 AM PT (US)     

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    The fade-out was apparently due to the fact that the source used to create the stereo mix of the score was damaged at the very tail of "Forever."

    Hm. Sounds like a Star Trek episode... "The Dropout at the Edge of Forever."

    This score is one of my favorites, and the two CDs of it are both worth getting. The Bernstein recording is a very good one, both in sound quality and performance. Both CDs are very warm, however, and both are recommended.

    For those who have not seen the film, it is worthwhile as well. The performances are all excellent, with Rex Harrison in particular being riveting as the ghost of the title. His farewell scene is a perfect fusion of performance, photography and music. Misplace one element, and it would fall to pieces.

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    posted 03-23-2003 02:47 PM PT (US)     

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    This score could easily get my vote for best score of all time.
    It is simply superb.
    The Bernstein recording is excellent.

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    posted 03-23-2003 03:00 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Swashbuckler:
    The Bernstein recording is a very good one...

    Peter, is this the Bernstein re-recording or the original tracks? The track listing and album cover are from the re-recording, but it's listed as Varese Sarabande VSD 5850, which contains the original tracks.

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    posted 03-23-2003 04:33 PM PT (US)     

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    I've been listening to this one very often of late - original tracks, Elmer Bernstein re-recording and a few Silva tracks that have appeared on compilations over the years. Definitely one of my favourite Herrmann scores, and one of my favourite melodrama scores. David Cooper's study of the score, published as part of the Scarecrow Film Score Guide series, has helped illuminate aspects of the composition.

    'Andante Cantabile' is the highlight for me, re-recorded as 'Nocturne' for Silva's THE ESSENTIAL BERNARD HERRMANN collection. Such a passionate piece, developing an almost fugue-like idea for the first half, before resolving into a gorgeous variation on Lucy's theme.

    Well worth getting in some form. Sadly the Elmer Bernstein re-recording (available in FSM's boxset) does not contain the best cue of the lot.

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    posted 03-07-2008 04:53 PM PT (US)     

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    Well it's five years later (wow!) and I still love it.

    I find myself playing the OST a lot more often than Bernstein's effort, but that's mostly because I just prefer hearing the entire score. The 20th Century Fox Orchestra doing their thing is rather tough to beat anyway.

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    posted 03-09-2008 06:11 PM PT (US)     

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    It's a beautiful score. I haven't heard the OST yet, but the Bernstein recording sounds fantastic. Love the finale. What in particular is missing from the Bernstein that makes the OST a better listen?

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    posted 03-09-2008 11:02 PM PT (US)     

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    'Andante Cantabile' is the most noticable absence. For me, this is one of Herrmann's very best cues.

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    posted 03-09-2008 11:35 PM PT (US)     

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    I know it is one of my very favorite scores. And I know it is one of Bill's too. And I bet it is one of Anna's favorites also. So, saying that, I would love for Tribute Film Classics to do a new, and complete, recording of this score and it certainly is a real possibility.

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    posted 03-10-2008 12:03 PM PT (US)     

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    Another word for the greatness of this score! I actually have the original recording, so the sound quality leaves a lot to be desired. I might be interested in a fresh recording.

    The "Nocturne" (Andante Cantabile) on the Essential Herrmann collection is indeed one of the most gorgeous, melancholy pieces I've ever heard. Just beautiful.

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    posted 03-10-2008 12:40 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by John Morgan:
    I know it is one of my very favorite scores. And I know it is one of Bill's too. And I bet it is one of Anna's favorites also. So, saying that, I would love for Tribute Film Classics to do a new, and complete, recording of this score and it certainly is a real possibility.

    I'm very happy to read that!

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    posted 03-10-2008 03:52 PM PT (US)     

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    Boy, Herrmann fans are sure spoiled for potential re-recordings these days!

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    posted 03-10-2008 04:11 PM PT (US)     

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    And now you'll never be tired again.
    Come, Lucia.
    Come, m'dear.

    Can film and music possibly get any better than the moment she rises?

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    posted 06-11-2008 09:24 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes... the scene five minutes before when her daughter reveals she knew of the Captain's ghost.

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    posted 06-12-2008 05:45 AM PT (US)     
     

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