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Philipp Romulan	I just read a very lovely interview with Klaus Badelt, in which he stated, that he did much more on Invincible, Hannibal amongst others. How muc is his input in these two scores? Can we more call them a Badelt score, then a Zimmer score? Best Wishes Philipp np: the time machine [klaus badelt]
posted 02-26-2003 01:44 PM PT (US)

TimT Romulan	hmmm Perhaps he did do more music, but was it all used in the film? And Perhaps the Hannibal soundtrack only holds Zimmer's portion. But you know, does it really matter? These guys sound simular enough to not even notice. Thats why these types of discussions always come up, because noone can ever be certian as to who did what.
posted 02-26-2003 01:52 PM PT (US)

madono_x Romulan	The connections between badelt-Zimmer and others source http://www.hanszimmer-archiv.de/) The peacemaker -Just learn with the maestro zimmer.The score is all composed by zimmer and one theme of gavin greenaway. Prince of Egypt: -Some cues from the last part of the film By badelt. Gladiator: -Some cues and now we are free main composer(with zimmer,gerrard tunes) MI2 -"Bare island" chorus,and action music are from badelt. -"Bio-techno" by mel wesson. And more..(maybe Injection by Lisa gerrard??) Pearl harbor: -"War" and "Dorie the Hero" by steve jablonsky. -Japanes Attack action music by Zimmer,badelt and aditional arrengements by others. -All japanese topics By Zimmer. -I will come back by badelt -And More... Hannibal: -Aditional music By jim dooley. -When lecter is kidnapped by Steve jablonsky. -Badelt does adittional arrengements and also composed the Valse. -And more.. And badelt goes to compose The time machine and others.. Now zimmer has:jim dooley,mel wesson and others :P
posted 02-26-2003 02:26 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Romulan	quote: The connections between badelt-Zimmer and others source http://www.hanszimmer-archiv.de/) The peacemaker -Just learn with the maestro zimmer.The score is all composed by zimmer and one theme of gavin greenaway. Prince of Egypt: -Some cues from the last part of the film By badelt. Gladiator: -Some cues and now we are free main composer(with zimmer,gerrard tunes) MI2 -"Bare island" chorus,and action music are from badelt. -"Bio-techno" by mel wesson. And more..(maybe Injection by Lisa gerrard??) Pearl harbor: -"War" and "Dorie the Hero" by steve jablonsky. -Japanes Attack action music by Zimmer,badelt and aditional arrengements by others. -All japanese topics By Zimmer. -I will come back by badelt -And More... Hannibal: -Aditional music By jim dooley. -When lecter is kidnapped by Steve jablonsky. -Badelt does adittional arrengements and also composed the Valse. -And more.. And badelt goes to compose The time machine and others.. Now zimmer has:jim dooley,mel wesson and others :P On Prince of Egypt, Harry Gregson-Williams has a large part in it. On M:I2 Gavin Greenaway did have a lot to do with the choral arrangement. Injection IS by Hans Did you forget that On Spirits, Steve Jablonsky did most of the score based on Hans' main theme(S). Gavin also composed Additional music.
posted 02-26-2003 03:05 PM PT (US)

madono_x Romulan	Oh! I forget the more important... The invincible and The pledge are by badelt.Zimmer did the main theme of the first and musical supervisor of the second. Seeu!
posted 02-26-2003 03:06 PM PT (US)

madono_x Romulan	The nightmare music from prince of egypt are by Harry gregson williams.And The Ethnic arrangemets are By jeff Rona. (source hans-zimmer.com and Imdb) ??? How do you know that injection is by zimmer and Spirit most of the score is jablonsky? Run free(action part) is by jablonsky too? Thanks. Pd:This topic could be Zimmer-and other guys connection lol
posted 02-26-2003 03:13 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	And let's not forget Jim Dooley's contribution to the TIME MACHINE and SPIRIT scores.... Dan
posted 02-26-2003 04:18 PM PT (US)

Dinko Romulan	oh yeah. let's start naming all the people who helped Zimmer and Clones, Inc. on their various homeworks assignments. Peter will need to erase all other threads in the forum to make place for this one.
posted 02-26-2003 04:55 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Romulan	I just read a very lovely interview with Klaus Badelt And I just read an interview with John Williams that says he wrote a rejected score for TITANIC. Doesn't anyone have to actually qoute the sources these days, or do they just throw random snotty bits at the wall and see what sticks? Ryan Children Of Dune - Brian Tyler
posted 02-26-2003 07:14 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	quote: Originally posted by rkeaveney: [b]I just read a very lovely interview with Klaus Badelt And I just read an interview with John Williams that says he wrote a rejected score for TITANIC. Doesn't anyone have to actually qoute the sources these days, or do they just throw random snotty bits at the wall and see what sticks?[/B] LOL Ryan. Well, I know that when I interviewed Klaus, he talked about how he basically did THE PLEDGE and INVINCIBLE, and how Zimmer's involvement was more of a supervisory one. Dan [quote]
posted 02-26-2003 08:14 PM PT (US)

Philipp Romulan	Sorry Ryan, the interview was in German. It just was about how he got started and all that. Philipp P.s.: Next time don�t be so hard on others.
posted 02-27-2003 04:47 AM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Romulan	Steve Jablonsky did more for Pearl Harbor than just those 2 cues. He also did Attack (except for the Japanese Theme) and Heart of a Volunteer. He also did most of the patriotic music or something like that. Clayton
posted 02-27-2003 12:22 PM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	There's also Geoff Zanelli, who writes for these guys and has contributed cues to many projects, including FACE/OFF, ANTZ, CHICKEN RUN, HANNIBAL, PEARL HARBOR, TIME MACHINE, K-19: THE WIDOWMAKER, EQUILIBRIUM, and others..... Dan
posted 02-27-2003 04:41 PM PT (US)

scoreguy16 Romulan	quote: Originally posted by dgoldwas: There's also Geoff Zanelli, who writes for these guys and has contributed cues to many projects, including FACE/OFF, ANTZ, CHICKEN RUN, HANNIBAL, PEARL HARBOR, TIME MACHINE, K-19: THE WIDOWMAKER, EQUILIBRIUM, and others..... Dan Very good point. Plus there's Jim Dooley, James S. Levine and a few others that don't get much recognition. It's kinda hard to find out who does what when Media Ventures' site has been down for probably a year now. Clayton
posted 02-27-2003 09:32 PM PT (US)

rkeaveney Romulan	the interview was in German. It just was about how he got started and all that. Was it too difficult to say that in your original post? Like Lo-Pan in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA, it "pisses me off to no end" that people don't qoute their sources. All is forgiven! Just qoute them sources!! Ryan
posted 02-27-2003 09:52 PM PT (US)

HadrianD Romulan	quote: Originally posted by madono_x: The nightmare music from prince of egypt are by Harry gregson williams.And The Ethnic arrangemets are By jeff Rona. (source hans-zimmer.com and Imdb) ??? How do you know that injection is by zimmer and Spirit most of the score is jablonsky? Run free(action part) is by jablonsky too? Thanks. Pd:This topic could be Zimmer-and other guys connection lol Harry also did more filler cues, like "The Line In The Sand cue. The HGW contribution to POE wasn't limited to scoring but he also did the Theatrical trailer music too. Source? Remember YUMBO? The Spirit thing is from the board. Jim Dooley also co-scored the Ring too. I'll be getting the DVD when it come out.
posted 02-27-2003 10:32 PM PT (US)

Philipp Romulan	Okay, Ryan This thread is burning.
posted 02-28-2003 11:32 AM PT (US)

madono_x Romulan	Hi! This is from tears of the sun topic,but I think could be included here... Tears of the sun has 8 composers(jablonsky,Dooley,Pereira,LeboM,gerrard,Tillman,The arpist and ZImmer.)This is pathetic. ZIMMER BACK TO THE OLD TIME WHEN I LOVED YOU! Seeu Np:Prince of egypt,As good as it gets and peacemaker(3 masterpieces with music and arrengemets by zimmer)
posted 03-02-2003 08:05 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	quote: Originally posted by madono_x: Hi! This is from tears of the sun topic,but I think could be included here... Tears of the sun has 8 composers(jablonsky,Dooley,Pereira,LeboM,gerrard,Tillman,The arpist and ZImmer.)This is pathetic. ZIMMER BACK TO THE OLD TIME WHEN I LOVED YOU! Seeu Np:Prince of egypt,As good as it gets and peacemaker(3 masterpieces with music and arrengemets by zimmer) Hey madono, you DO realize that like 8 people worked on PRINCE OF EGYPT, right? And more than one person worked on THE PEACEMAKER. And same with AS GOOD AS IT GETS. Dan
posted 03-02-2003 09:20 AM PT (US)

madono_x Romulan	Yes, much of those people(and others)worked in "Prince","peacemaker" and "As good".Zimmer always has used Adittionals.But in specific little parts of score. Now I really think that Zimmer just compose the themes and others arranged and adapted it into the film. This 3 scores at least has the zimmer touch,the Zimmer sound,the zimmer tunes,Zimmer arrangements and the zimmer style.And I'm sure that are completly by hans. Seeu.
posted 03-02-2003 10:06 AM PT (US)

jonathan_little Romulan	Heard any good Bernard Herrmann discs lately? NP: Diamonds are Forever Sequenced Wrong (John Barry)
posted 03-02-2003 10:34 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	quote: Originally posted by madono_x: .And I'm sure that are completly by hans. Well, you would probably be wrong. None of those scores are "completely by Hans". Dan
posted 03-03-2003 07:10 AM PT (US)

Dinko Romulan	quote: Originally posted by jonathan_little: Heard any good Bernard Herrmann discs lately? Who he?
posted 03-03-2003 07:20 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Romulan	Zimmer completely scoring something? No no, it's more like this: He sits around cursing with his friends late at night working on a score. Hew whistles a few tunes and 3 to 5 other compsers make the score out of the... word of mouth.....
posted 03-03-2003 07:25 AM PT (US)

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