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    Topic:   Cliff Eidelman!

     sean
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    Recently, I've been listening to nothing except "Star Trek VI — The Undiscovered Country". And, I must say, it has to be in my top ten of favourite scores. There's just so much to love about this Star Trek score; which, is probably even my favourite music for a Star Trek film, with "Wrath of Khan" and "The Motion Picture" running close behind.

    "The Undiscovered Country" is the only score of Eidelman's that I own, and I'd like to hear more of his work, considering how much I love this score. So, my question is, what other scores by Cliff Eidelman are worth getting? Didn't he just do a new film, the about war photographers, with Elias Kotéas?

    Thanks!

    NP: "The Battle for Peace" from Star Trek VI *****/*****

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    posted 01-24-2003 10:55 AM PT (US)     

     miss tonya
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    I love Untamed Heart a LOT more than ST-TUC!

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    posted 01-24-2003 11:12 AM PT (US)     

     MillsSomerset
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    I don't own a ton of his stuff, but I picked up CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS a while back and it was darn good, surprisingly.

    My fave of his has always been, surprisingly, ONE GOOD THING.

    He doesn't work enough anymore, actually.

    I realized recently that I own a bunch of "sci-fi movie theme" things, but no actual STAR TREK soundtracks but part V on tape and NEMESIS on disk.

    I've heard the major S.T. suites from the various composers - specifically the stuff from IV and Horner's stuff from II.

    But really, I've seen U. Country maybe once, and even then I wasn't paying much attention. People keep telling me that this score's great, and I see it used all the time for like five bucks.

    I'll end up getting it, most likely, but what is it? I mean, what makes it good? and, more importantly, different from, say, a goldsmith Star Trek score. Just curious.

    MS

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    posted 01-24-2003 11:16 AM PT (US)     

     Dinko
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    Cliff Eidelman: 1988 - 1996: Great.
    Cliff Eidelman: 1996 - ongoing: Average.

    It's too bad the Picture Bride schedule was not compatible with Eidelman's, but Varèse Sarabande released the "rejected" music as an "Inspired by" album, an exceptionally beautiful score.

    Christopher Columbus - The Discovery is his other grand adventure score, next to Trek 6. The simple, yet noble theme conveys both a sense of adventure, of unknown and of fear of the unknown. It's lush, and epic.

    The Tempest, as 16-minute concert piece based on the Shakespeare play was also released by Varèse Sarabande on "Romeo and Juliet - Shakespeare music from stage and screen", Cliff Eidelman & the Royal Scottish National Orchestra. Somehow I always though the music fitting for the creation of Frankenstein, but in any case it's worth having.

    Triumph of the Spirit is perhaps Eidelman's most 'complex' score in terms of having different themes walking all over the score in various arrangements and moods.

    Free Willy 3: The Rescue/The Return of whatever the title is beautifully performed by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra. The incomplete CD credits would suggest that Bruce Botnick was the engineer, but whatever the case, I think this album already shows a certain tameness appearing in Eidelman's music. It's not quite as grand as it could have been, but it still remains an excellent album, especially the darker, more tragic cues.

    Untamed Heart needs the Deluxe treatment, not that anyone would buy it.
    Still, much is missing from the movie, particularly the opening credits.

    Other than that, the other Eidelman scores are, I would say, primarily for Eidelman completists. I'm a sucker for his style, so I got even the not-so-good scores.

    The Elias Koteas movie is Harrison's Flowers, released by Varèse Sarabande (duh!).
    The mess surrounding this movie's music is worthy of joining other legends of film scoring. Bruno Coulais wrote some 45 minutes of music, only 15 were retained, but EMI had the bright idea to release the complete score. The American version of the movie was then rescored by Eidelman. Suffice it to say that while Eidelman's score is more traditional sounding (piano, small ensemble), Coulais' score is the better and more interesting one. Skip the Eidelman score unless you're a completist.

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    posted 01-24-2003 11:29 AM PT (US)     

     John Zimmer
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    I have been wanting to get Christopher Columbas for a loooooong time for some reason I have never been able to get my hands on it. I'd love to get a copy though.

    Jz

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    posted 01-24-2003 11:40 AM PT (US)     

     TV's Frank
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    Eidelman's TREK VI score rocks!!!
    Eidelman's COLUMBUS: THE DISCOVERY rocks!!

    Everything else from him is sub-par and uninvolving... sorry to say.

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    posted 01-24-2003 03:07 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    What makes "The Undiscovered Country" so great...well, it's very operatic, like the film, and exciting, with some explosive music for the opening credits. Originally, Nicholas Meyer (the director) wanted to use The Planets suite by Holst, but was unable to because of the cost of obtaining the rights to the music. With this in mind, you can definately hear Eidelman's inspiration coming from The Planets (especially "Mars, the bringer of war"...duh!).

    Mills, check out the Filmtracks review of this score, I believe it's a pretty accurate description in praise of the music (at least, when I first read it years ago).

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    posted 01-24-2003 07:59 PM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    it's actually One True Thing, and it is a nice score. In the same vein, I also like Now and Then.

    Eidelman is obviously talented, but to me there's a certain quality to it that keeps it from standing out for the most part. Seems...I don't know...thin to me.


    NP -- my computer is making some strange noise right now. bastard.

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    posted 01-24-2003 09:47 PM PT (US)     

     BMikeJ
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    MAGDALENE is also a great early effort from Cliff Eidelman. Early scores like this one and CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS show a young talent bristling with energy and enthusiasm. There's enough thematic material in these scores for a several movies. MAGDALENE is no longer available but CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS is still available from Varese and it's one of their budget titles.

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    posted 01-24-2003 10:40 PM PT (US)     

     Al
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    A Simple Twist Of Fate has a beautiful main theme, though there's not much else to it.

    NP: Unanswered Question by Charles Ives

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    posted 01-25-2003 09:55 AM PT (US)     

     rachmaninov
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    Free Willy 3 was a delightful surprise.
    It really "connected" with my senses.

    Star trek VI is pretty awesome as well.

    I'd love to see Eidelman scoring more frequently.

    Rach

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    posted 01-25-2003 11:32 AM PT (US)     

     SBD
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    I have "The Undiscovered Country", but, for some reason, I can never seem to get beyond the overture; not that the score is bad, but I just find myself playing the overture (which rocks) then stopping the CD.

    Also, why no talk of Eidelman's comedy scores: "Crazy People" and "The Meteor Man"?

    The former is jazzy, funny and beautiful with a great main theme.

    The latter features a terrific main theme and some wonderful action scoring. Listen (in the film) toward the end for a psuedo-quote of "Ride of the Valkyries" (at least, that's what it sounded like to me).

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    posted 01-25-2003 01:02 PM PT (US)     

     SirT
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    STVI is a well-made score from someone of talent, nevertheless it has always left me the impression of being stuck on impulse, whereas Goldsmith's and Horner's efforts easily reach warp speed.

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    posted 01-25-2003 05:16 PM PT (US)     

     MillsSomerset
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    CRAZY PEOPLE, I would love that. OK, there's probably not nearly enough for even a short-short Varese' album. Put the main theme and the romance stuff and the "Hello, Hello" song and that's like...15 minutes, tops. But this is the kind of off-the-beaten-path stuff that, sadly, comes along only in promos for us die-hards. But good call, I'd forgotten about this.

    I'll have to give UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY a buy/listen, I guess.

    I always confuse ONE GOOD COP and ONE TRUE THING (title-wise), my bad.

    I forgot he did FREE WILLY 3, as well, that was like a buck, unopened, when I bought it and a pleasant surprise to say the least, though he has a sort of pleasantly bland-ish style, but then I like a lot of melancholy background music anyway, as much as I love huge scores, the mellow stuff is more suitable for working while listening.

    I've been tempted to give HARRISON'S FLOWERS a listen, but the movie trailer for it looked so damn boring-bland that I couldn't drag myself to see the actual film. I'll try to give the score a chance, though.

    UNTAMED HEART, as a movie, was so damn inane and forced that I couldn't get past it to watch it ever again in full since seeing it in the theater, so the score completely has slipped my mind, but I see that used a lot, as well, so maybe I'll pick it up.

    Peace.

    MS

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    posted 01-25-2003 05:41 PM PT (US)     

     sean
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    Now Mills, please don't force yourself to listen to "Undiscovered Country"...hehehe, it was that "I guess" I have to part.

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    posted 01-25-2003 06:41 PM PT (US)     
     

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