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Topic: Can You Stand Yet Another Herrmann Anecdote & Insight?

Lou Goldberg

Romulan

Here's the anecdote: Herrmann and Hitchcock were talking about what other occupations they might have taken on if they hadn't become a composer and director. Herrmann said that if he wasn't a composer, he'd like to be the owner of an English Pub. Hitchcock said that if he wasn't a director he'd be a Hanging Judge!Here's the (obvious) insight: Both as composer and director were already doing what their alternative occupations would have fulfilled. As a composer, Bennie was "intoxicating" people and getting them to where they could release some of their emotions. As a director, Hitch was judging all of humanity and being pretty stern about it too.
posted 12-28-2002 11:45 PM PT (US) 
joan hue

Romulan

I can stand another anecdote, Lou. Cool story. I'm now pondering what I would have done had I chosen an alternate career path to see if there are any similarities.(So do you think Herrmann's personality might have driven a few solid paying customers away? Or would he have softened his approach?)
NP Patch of Blue
posted 12-29-2002 02:15 PM PT (US) 
Howard L
Romulan

Nah, he was reincarcerated and took over the soul of some obscure coach in Hoosierland that they tell me 's been tooling around Texas Tech of late.
posted 12-29-2002 09:26 PM PT (US) 
John C Winfrey

Romulan

Yep, aok sir.Here is another one for you:
While Goldsmith was working on Lonely Are the Brave in 1962, Herrmann came by the studio there where he was working. He heard some of the score. He reportedly said to him "that score is too damn good for that movie." He liked the score a lot. LOL.
J.
posted 12-30-2002 08:32 AM PT (US) 
PAUL TONKS

Romulan

More great stuff! Hmmm - maybe I'll return to Herrmann later in the year...PT
posted 12-30-2002 10:51 AM PT (US) 
Lou Goldberg

Romulan

I think Herrmann felt threatened by Goldsmith, the new kid on the block. It was like everywhere he turned all he heard was, "Goldsmith, Goldsmith." So Herrmann hunts the guy down to see what he's like and he's good. So Herrmann will do anything to put the guy down. I love that anecdote where Herrmann finds out Goldsmith is using orchestrators, something which Herrmann didn't do, and calls him on it.In the 1971 Rose & Zador interview, Herrmann asks them what new scores they like and they both say PATTON which couldn't have infuriated Herrmann more (on the tape he kind of grunts and stays silent and won't get enthusiaistic with them over it).
But the industry's love of Goldsmith over Herrmann cost us big time. That slime Lionel Newman loved Goldsmith and hated Herrmann and gave all the 60s 20th Century-Fox scores to Goldsmith and wouldn't let Herrmann work. Now Herrmann probably wouldn't have been home with IN LIKE FLINT, but projects like THE SAND PEBBLES or THE BLUE MAX would have been fine for Herrmann had he had a shot at them. Instead, Herrmann got nothing from 20th Century and when he lost the steady Hitchcock work as well he had no reason to even stay in Hollywood. Herrmann's temper, fretting, neurosis, and smoking were only compounded by under-appreciation and lack of work when lesser talents were thriving and all of this led to the burnout that took Herrmann at 65 instead of 75 and cost us 10 years of choice Herrmann scores.
Going back to the LONELY ARE THE BRAVE story, to say a score is "too good" for the picture, what does that mean exactly? Is it an insult, saying that the scoring is more musical than the film requires, or that the film sucks and doesn't deserve such a good score? And what does this say about what Herrmann provided, did he compose "down" and not write as good a music as he could have for some films. I wonder how people in the film industry reacted to this incident.
[Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 01-02-2003]
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