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Gae

Romulan

I dont have the soundtrack to "Spiderman" but I do have the DVD, love the film and think Elfman's score fits the film perfectly.
His music, without being obviously thematic, is at times heroic, moving and occasionally downright groovy. My favourite score moment, of several examples, is when Elfman's percussion and driving bass kick in just as Tobey Maguire starts climbing the wall after the shooting of his uncle. The whole sequence is terrific and Elfman has another great moment when Spiderman reaches the top of the building and sits on a dome looking down at the street before his big jump. As the camera pans down Spiderman's anticipatory face, Elfman introduces a striking discordant punchy motif which is really effective and conjures up the anger and determination inside Spiderman at this moment. Excellent score to an excellent film!Gae
[Message edited by Gae on 12-28-2002]
posted 12-28-2002 01:07 PM PT (US) 
justin boggan

Romulan

You know Gae, i have never scene anybody put it better. They're usually insulting it and Elfman. But the fact of the matter is that it DID have a theme and it WAS a good score. I look forward to Spider-Man 2.Now being a good score is something you guys can argue, after all that is just my opinion, but theme wise, you can't argue cause it's there.
posted 12-28-2002 01:14 PM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

Romulan

Same with me Gae. I have the DVD but not the score and I love it!Jz
posted 12-28-2002 01:46 PM PT (US) 
PAUL TONKS

Romulan

It drove me nuts when Ain't It Cool News posted one of their typically moronic movie reviews, & the only musical comment made was that SPIDER MAN had no theme.This was a terrific work by Elfman for me. Far more interesting than MIBII, & possibly as interesting as RED DRAGON.
THE AMAZING SPIDER MAN will be fascinating if Elfman does indeed return. Who knows? Maybe he'll get his first trilogy out of the character!
PT
posted 12-30-2002 10:59 AM PT (US) 
jburrows
Romulan

The movie "Congo" had a theme! Just because a movie has a theme doesn't make it a good movie. Those of you who bought the movie just got suckered into the mass media blitz that is supporting junk movies like this Spiderman flick. Thanks to you guys who bought the DVD, we now will get a sequel to Spiderman and a whole slew of other comic book mistakes brought poorly to the big screen.Spiderman - weak theme, weak movie!
posted 12-30-2002 02:13 PM PT (US) 
Gae

Romulan

jburrows said:-"Those of you who bought the movie just got suckered into the mass media blitz that is supporting junk movies like this Spiderman flick. Thanks to you guys who bought the DVD, we now will get a sequel to Spiderman and a whole slew of other comic book mistakes brought poorly to the big screen."
Thats your personal point of view but just because you dont like the film or music there's no need to patronise those of us who do like it. Its all down to personal taste.
Also, if you aren't interested in any future sequels, living within a democracy, you have the right not to have to buy a ticket to see the movie.P.S. If you dont like movies that are hugely entertaining, well acted, have a good storyline and music and display a great imagination and artistry, then what sort of films do you enjoy?
Gae
posted 12-30-2002 02:37 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

Romulan

Sorry guys but I thought this score was awful!The film was decent enough despite the fact they hid the brilliantly expressive Willem Defoe behind an inarticulate mask, Tobey Maguire was perfectly cast as Spidey, but Elfman was here purely for the fact that he'd done previous super-hero type films and his relationship with Sam Raimi, I found the score to be distracting and , yes, it was lacking a defining Spidey theme, it sounded like a watered down Batman (which I thought was a great, if Herrmann like score...and that ain't a bad thing!)....what a shame Raimi didn't go with his other collaborater Basil Poledouris who IMNSHO is a far more talented composer (shock, horror...the man can write, orchestrate and conduct music...not too many of them left now are there?!).
Spidey needed something lighter and definately funkier, not the aimless morass of themeless spoon-fed orchestral molasses that Elfman fed this film.
Just for the record, if this film was up to me, Lalo Schifrin would have scores it!
I must now turn my back to you and wait for your knives

posted 12-30-2002 05:30 PM PT (US) 
RoboDan

Reman

I always thought that the theme for "The Flash" was a watered down Batman.
I dunno what you guys are complaining about, but Elfman's work on Spider-man is Fantastic!!!! I too, sadly, own the DVD, but not the score (yet).
I really don't see what the complaint is. Sure...the first time I saw the film, I didn't really quite grasp onto the theme, but after repeating viewings, guess what....it IS THERE!!!! Just sit back, and enjoy the great music that Elfman pumps out like it's nothing! If you guys think you can do a better job, then go ahead and try! I'd love to hear some "alternates".

--Dan
posted 12-30-2002 08:11 PM PT (US) 
rkeaveney

Romulan

Basil Poledouris who IMNSHO is a far more talented composer (shock, horror...the man can write, orchestrate and conduct music...Not if you ask Lalo Schifrin...
Besides, Basil was too bust writing a synth score for a TBS original movie, or something.
Ryan
NP: HELL COMES TO FROGTOWN, MUSIC FROM THE FILMS OF RODDY PIPER / "They Live", by John Carpenterposted 12-30-2002 08:28 PM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by Timmer:
what a shame Raimi didn't go with his other collaborater Basil PoledourisRaimi worked with Poledouris ONCE. He worked with Silvestri ONCE. If anything, his other collaborator is Joseph LoDuca.
Dan
posted 12-30-2002 09:53 PM PT (US) 
SFT

Romulan

Elfman's SPIDER-MAN is superb. It isn't as clear-cut thematically speaking as some of his earlier scores, but the theme is the least of what makes this score work. The music is energetic, vibrant, and gives the film a distinct musical universe - not to mention working perfectly for the more tender, quiet moments between MJ and Peter Parker.
The problem for those of you who find the score distracting and in need of a "theme" is that you sit through the film LISTENING for one. Actively paying attention to the music during a film is the worst thing you can possibly do. When you sit there expecting a grand theme to appear, you not only put un-necessary emphazis on one element of the design, you also don't notice all the other ways in which the score works.SFT
posted 12-31-2002 01:19 AM PT (US) 
Gae

Romulan

SFT, I agree with you.
When I first saw Spiderman, I didn't "listen" to the music but "felt" it. (No smutty innuendos please!
)
Now that I've seen the film a few times I am starting to listen to the score more and more and hear the various motifs coming through nicely.
Dont you guys tell me that when Peter Parker is walking away from Mary Jane, toward the camera, at the very end of the movie, you dont hear that Heroic, dare I say it "Theme" coming through underneath. Its there and its really effective. Its not an "In yer Face" "Superman theme" but a subtler form of scoring, that for me is just as "viable a modern alternative" as how Williams scored a Super Hero 24 years ago!Gae
posted 12-31-2002 10:42 AM PT (US) 
Kosh

Romulan

I thought I'd repost a little something I wrote on the "Spiderman DVD" thread over in "Just Movies" some while ago.There's the Spider-Man Theme, the three-note rising motif of which is constantly used, most prominently in Spidey's first swing when he pursues the robber.
There's Peter's Theme (so identified by Danny Elfman himself on the DVD extras), which starts with four notes, then a lower note, and it goes up for three descending notes. It plays at the very end of "Revenge", and at a bunch of other places. This one was previously referred to as Uncle Ben's Theme or the "Powers and Responsabilities Theme".
There's the Green Goblin Theme which plays in a "heroic" fashion when MJ sort of awakens to find herself on top of the bridge in the big finale. The whole Parade Attack is based around it, and a soft, chilling version plays when Norman looks at himself in the mirror in that (I'll admit) cheezy scene.
The so-called "love theme" is just the Spider-Man theme played softly.
So, that's for those who still maintain that the score has no themes. I will admit that I was disappointed by the score the first time around, but it's one of those things that I learned to appreciate more and more after every listen. It's a lot more subtle, because Spider-Man is a more subtle kind of hero. He's a kid dealing with his new powers, and trying to do the right thing on a small scale, and sort of being whisked away to do grander things because of some maniacs. Not exactly Superman, who has all this nobility and sense of justice, or Batman, who has trained for year and is very focused and knows what he's doing.I think Elfman did a fantastic job for SPIDER-MAN and I can't wait to see how he follows it up on THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN.
Kosh
posted 12-31-2002 10:54 AM PT (US) 
TimT

Romulan

An even more interesting use of percussion is in Elfman' score to Nightbreed. A very much overlooked score because of the more popular scores at the time (Batman, Edward Scissorhands, Pee Wee).
But I think its pretty strong on its own grounds. Stylistically its simular to Batman and Edward Scissorhands, buts its use of extotic percussion and subtle theme gives it a voice of its own.Does anyone have any thoughts on this forgotten gem?
posted 12-31-2002 11:15 AM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
