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Andrew Drannon Romulan	Hey guys, A (very) few of you may remember my soundtrack review site from a couple of years back - it was the first on the 'net to offer a track by track analysis with each of its reviews (it may actually still be listed in PeterK's film music directory section). Well, it's back now, and completely redesigned, getting rid of its black background, awkward color scheme, etc. The review content has been overhauled, and new interactive features like a message board (gasp!), newsletter (gasp!), and reader-submitted reviews (whoa!) have been introduced. As far as the new content, just some of the stuff you'll find includes an analysis of Jerry Goldsmith's Planet of the Apes score, an in-depth review of Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now, and an introduction to the music of Wagner called "The Ring Cycle. For Dummies." So check it out, let me know how you like it, and (please?) try out some of the new interactive features. Thanks a lot, Andrew Drannon http://www.scoresheet.net/ p.s. Sorry about the post title... had to get attention SOMEHOW... [Message edited by Andrew Drannon on 12-23-2002]
posted 12-23-2002 12:16 PM PT (US)

TimT Romulan	Yes I remember that site. It sucked. What I want to se is these sites come back, Film Score Magic and SoundtrackStation!, and Scoretracks.
posted 12-23-2002 01:09 PM PT (US)

Andrew Drannon Romulan	Oh yeah? Try it now... You'll NEVER need to visit another site ever again. Just kidding. p.s. Film Score Magic was a really good site.
posted 12-23-2002 01:33 PM PT (US)

Jeron Romulan	Gotta love Tim's bedside manner... lol.
posted 12-23-2002 03:53 PM PT (US)

Wickenstein Reman	quote: First, a little background on the composer. Wagner was a 19th Century pop star, one of the most arrogant and eccentric geniuses ever. He engaged in hallucinogenic drugs. He wore something akin to tie-dye shirts.... Where on Earth did you read that Wagner did drugs? I've read dozens of books (some rather negative) about him and never once came across that. Also, his clothes weren't that wild in public. In private though, he enjoyed draping himself in silk!
posted 12-24-2002 09:42 AM PT (US)

Andrew Drannon Romulan	I was basically referring to the private silk obsession with the tye-dye reference. As far as the drugs thing, I read somewhere (probably a 19th century celebrity gossip site - j/k!) that he did indeed consume opium, but, if pressured, probably couldn't come up with the source. Keep in mind that this article was basically trying to appeal to people with little interest in classical music who may be trying to branch out... For people already versed in the world of Wagner, I'd really like opinions on the review of the Chereau/Boulez Ring Cycle DVD that appears on the site... Thanks for visiting!
posted 12-24-2002 10:38 AM PT (US)

Wickenstein Reman	Interesting. I hope you didn't take my tone to be hostile, because I was genuinely curious. The nature of Wagner's music is very mathematical instead of wild and imaginative. I don't really think of his music as surreal or weird. I say this because I don't think he indulged in drugs while writing music. To write Wagner's music, I would say one would have to have a clear head and work very hard. Therefore, I don't think that drug use would be a good description of the man. If anything, the man drew inspiration from his womanizing. A common theme of his operas, such as the Flying Dutchman and Der Ring des Nibelungen, is of redemption through a woman's love. It's amazing he had so many affairs because he wasn't the greatest looking man and was being chased be debtors for much his life! The rest of your Ring article was interesting. I too favor the opera Siegfried over the others in the cycle. It probably has the simplest and most heroic tale. Basically, a young man learns of his destiny, slays the dragon, and gets the girl in the end. Well, it's a thousand times more involved than that, but it's still a very pure story. The music is also the darkest of the series, representing the psych. Act III, from the prelude until Siegfried passes through the flame, is indeed some of the most thematically dense music ever written. Film score fans should give Wagner a try. When you cut to it, the only difference between opera and film scores is basically the singing.
posted 12-24-2002 12:49 PM PT (US)

Beatty Romulan	quote: Originally posted by Wickenstein: ... a young man learns of his destiny, slays the dragon, and gets the girl in the end. Dammit! Now I know the ending!
posted 12-26-2002 07:21 PM PT (US)

Andrew Drannon Romulan	quote: Originally posted by Beatty: Dammit! Now I know the ending! Hey, I hate to break it to you, but that guy dies in Goetterdaemmerung...
posted 12-28-2002 11:28 AM PT (US)

Hornerfan Romulan	Hey Andrew: Why did you change your review style and drop the track by track analysis of each score? I felt that really separated your site from all the rest, and was always a good read, as I could play the piece with your review and see exactly what you were talking about. Mike
posted 12-28-2002 09:09 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Romulan	As much as Wagner's music can be great (when it isn't being too pompous or over-the-top), Wagner himself was a sh-it. Slamming other composers for his own gain and being a rabid Nationalist and anti-Semite. The great documentary, ARCHITECTURE OF DOOM, sites Wagner as the grandfather of Nazism. That should be enough for anyone to relegate this scum to the garbage can of history. A sad shame that a topic headed with the wonderful idea of hot sex should turn out to be about cold death.
posted 12-28-2002 10:07 PM PT (US)

Wickenstein Reman	Wagner didn't have anything to do with the Nazi's. They weren't even around until fifty years AFTER his death. The Nazi's liked his music because it is very patriotic to Germany. I'm sick about people complaining he was an Anti-Semite. Henry Ford actually gave money to the Nazi party, but people still buy his cars. You can't blame Wagner just because Hitler liked to listen to him. Hitler also liked to listen to Bruckner, but you don't see anyone banning him! At least Wagner's art was more than just music. He truly did create the first total work of art. It had almost everything one would consider art within it. Paintings and sculpture for the sets, orchestral music for the underscore, singing and poetry for the lines, acting, drama, symbolism, and even ballet dancing(in Tannhauser). I don't think his music is over the top at all. It has that reputation becase some people, who are used to Italian opera, just aren't accustomed to its intensity.
posted 12-29-2002 02:00 PM PT (US)

Andrew Drannon Romulan	I believe Wickenstein has said all that needs to be said about Wagner and the Nazis. There is simply no connection. And the composer's anti-Semitic tendencies seemed to be commonplace in Europe at the time - this is not to condone an obviously hateful point of view, but to point out that it is not much different from Caucasians' views of African Americans during the Civil War - both attitudes are morally bankrupt, but both have some significance historically. Mike - re: the track by track analyses: I felt that this approach was beginning to take away from the content of the reviews - I had a tendency to write two sentences about the score itself, and then launch into 500 words of music description that made little sense to those who hadn't heard the album yet. This new approach seems to be the best of both worlds - the word count of the reviews is higher, and I feel that the content is generally stronger. If you'll look closely, most of the soundtrack reviews still DO contain track by track analyses, but without the subheadings - look at the Attack of the Clones and Goldsmith's Planet of the Apes reviews. Another benefit to this approach is that reviews that would become tedious when reduced to simple musical description (i.e. Elfman's Planet of the Apes) can be broken down into analyzable highlights (note the comparison of the two main titles in the Elfman review.) In short, I feel that the site's review approach has not changed very much, but has been simply tweaked to make it more interesting, both to owners and nonowners of the albums.
posted 12-29-2002 03:35 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Romulan	No offense guys, but you can't shrug off the connection between Wagner and Nazism so easily. Nazism required an ideology and Wagner really helped to provide this. Had he been alive during the 30s he would have been a Nazi. I still think of him as a Nazi in principal which can happen in any place and at any time period. Even today the equasion between Wagner and Nazism is understood in the popular culture. Just take one look at the Listerine "Kill the Germs" TV spots scored with Wagner.
posted 01-01-2003 08:53 PM PT (US)

Lancelot Romulan	...and if you'd been born to German parents in Berlin, 1897, you'd be a Nazi, too?
posted 01-01-2003 10:45 PM PT (US)

Lou Goldberg Romulan	Stop it Lance, my logic is more sound than that and I'm not the only one to propose what I'm saying.
posted 01-02-2003 03:03 AM PT (US)

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