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Originally posted by Jeron:
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[b]Nemesis may have been plain in comparison but it wasn't anywhere near as offensively stupid. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just wait until "The Core" hits the theaters...[/B]

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Originally posted by TV's Frank:
TREK V might have ended films for the original cast, but Paramount already had designs on films for TNG.

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Whoa - what about the VERY cool STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY??? If anything, that was a GREAT way to end the films for the original cast.....

Fans of the series may preach that they want the series to go in new directions...but as can be seen with Enterprise (which I thoroughly enjoy) which has put a new face on Trek, has not been well received.

Then it is stated that Trek executives take the fan base for granted...well of course they do--Star Trek is not Star Wars. It has never appealed to the populace at large. Furthermore, it sounds as if people would be happy simply remaking their favorite films in the series. They attempted that with Nemesis, and if not for languid directing I feel the screenplay (other than Troy's mind rape) would have gotten the film in line with films 2 and 6.

So we want change...but make it more like the older films and bring back Nick Meyers. I wonder why Paramount recycles material....

On the off topic "The Core" discussion...I read somewhere that the screenwriter actually has a degree in physics. Perhaps the plot elements will not be completely ridiculous...besides, who cares if they are anyway? I for one am not looking for a two-hour science lecture. I got enough of that in college.

1) Nemesis is a bad movie whether you compare it to other Trek or not. 2 and 6 are good movies whether you compare them to other Trek or not. I don't want Nick Meyer back because I want to see old material recycled, I want Nick Meyer back because I want to see a good film.

2) Trek fans aren't unhappy with Enterprise because it's going in new directions. They're unhappy with it because many think it's a weak show.

About Nemesis. I expected to hate it after reading so many negative posts. I kept waiting
and waiting and waiting. I’ll join the minority and state that I really LIKED it...a lot!!
Yeah, the effects are still a little too cheesy, but the story was unique with unanticipated
twists and turns. I adored the philosophy of what it means to be human. That question
has been pondered in all great poems, play, and novels. I liked Picard’s answer: to be
human is to be MORE than we are. Nice nutshell for the strivings in most people who
want to make a difference.

I also found the movie very tense; my muscles rarely relaxed. Goldsmith’s action cues
literally “white knuckled” me to the arm rests. God bless Jerry. I didn’t think he wrote
this score with his eyes closed. I don’t think he knows how to do a cursory composition.
His score had emotional resonance that tugged heart strings, and blistering action cues
that if played on a flute at minus one decibel could still slam dunk some of the droning
other movies are scored with.

So, sounds like I had a good time at Nemesis, and I did.

I for one do not think Enterprise is a weak show...my wife was only a casual Star Trek fan, but Enterprise has really engaged her. Perhaps they have tried to broaden its appeal--perhaps that is what is turning off many Trek fans.

There will always be differences in opinion when it comes to someone's take on a film. I know franchises such as Star Trek, Star Wars, and Bond get the whipping stick brought out much quicker, but come one...this film does not deserve so much animosity.

I can remember the thread regarding the screenplay when it first surfaced...so many were so quick to tear it to shreds. Nothing seems to ever change.

Perhaps a film not based on a TV show might be the only way to do it...too many preconceptions...too many limitations.

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Originally posted by Quill:
Having said all that...I would like to see Nick Meyer back...and I would like to see a completely new face on Trek.

Perhaps a film not based on a TV show might be the only way to do it...too many preconceptions...too many limitations.

Who knows.

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I don't think you're going to see a completely new face on Trek. I have a sneaking suspicion that the next movie will somehow involve the Voyager crew. Why else introduce Admiral Janeway into Nemesis?

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Originally posted by Bradley:
Why else introduce Admiral Janeway into Nemesis?

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The same way they had Wesley and Guinan in the film as well. It was just a cameo.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:

The same way they had Wesley and Guinan in the film as well. It was just a cameo.

Dan

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I saw Guinan in the movie but no Wesley. I think all of poor Will Wheaton's scenes ended up on the cutting room floor.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
could probably have been seen better if the film wasn't so damn blurry.

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I dunno what the deal is with the posts about the film being out of focus.... the theater I saw it in had a dim projector bulb and so-so sound, but I STILL saw everything crisp and in focus.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
The same way they had Wesley and Guinan in the film as well. It was just a cameo.

Dan

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I don't know, Dan, I think a Voyager movie could be a distinct possibility. Out with the old, in with the new...sort of.

BTW, I'm with you on this blurry picture thing. When I saw the film, the focus was fine. What sucked was the audio!! The soundtrack warbled like an old cassette player that was having trouble playing the tape.

Bradley

Despite his idiotic review of Nemesis Roger Ebert actually had a nice idea. Go 1000 years ahead and see what the Star Trek universe would be. Roddenberry's vision for Trek has always been the optimism involving the survival and continual advancement of the human race by it's own hand. So let's see where humanity and the Federation are 1000 years later when possibly the entire galaxy has been explored. Talk about strange new worlds! That would sure be it.

Make it a lavish, big screen treatment where everything is new. New characters, new ship, new universe. Plus it wouldn't be an extention of something you would see every week on the TV show.

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Originally posted by dgoldwas:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
[b]could probably have been seen better if the film wasn't so damn blurry. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno what the deal is with the posts about the film being out of focus.... the theater I saw it in had a dim projector bulb and so-so sound, but I STILL saw everything crisp and in focus.

Dan[/B]

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Originally posted by Quill:
I read that Berman wanted to do something that involved different aspects of Star Trek lore.

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Originally posted by Mark Olivarez:
Dan I have no idea, but the theatre I saw it in was brand new, just opened 2 weeks ago and the trailers were in focus so it couldn't have been the projector. One of my friends saw it in a different theatre in a different city and he had the same complaint. And there have been a few complaints on some of these message boards as well.

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I guess it's possible some bad prints were shipped, but I don't know what kind of a problem would cause a bunch of blurry prints. In any case, it's not even a remote possibility that it was filmed that way; a bad shot here and there, that's fine, people make mistakes, but every single person involved in production would have to be completely incompetent to shoot an entire movie out of focus.

This awful piece of trash of a 'movie' reminded me why I stopped going to the movies in the first place, preferring to catch them on TV instead: they keep reselling the same movie under different titles.
I for one am tired of paying to see a 'new' movie, and be sold the same old one.
If I wanted to see Star Trek 2 I would just rent it. If I wanted to see a story about how humans are so great and superior and can adapt and evolve, I would have watched the TV shows for free on TV. And if I wanted to see another movie with a psychopathic vilain bent on destruction and revenge... well there are thousands of those to pick from, and they're a hell of a lot better.

Star Trek Nemesis would have been a great movie had I never seen another movie in my life. Unfortunately the whole damn thing was the most predictable lazy-scripted movie of the year, and The Battle In the Mutara Nebula 2 was about as annoying as the rest of it. Which lazy writer was so in love with Trek2 he had to remake it?

If this is the road Trek is going, I sure hope they never make another one.

And instead of killing the android, they should have shot Berman & co. Now *that* would have been a great finale to applaud.

The print I saw was perfectly in focus.

Goldsmith's score worked wonders for the flick. And it actually comes out as the only good stuff, along with the not-so-bad visual effects. On the other hand, no wonder his score is so uninspired. Given how original the movie was, it's incredible Goldsmith was even able to come up with anything mildly interesting.

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Originally posted by HAL 2000:
Most of the movie looked sharp to me but there were a couple of grainy/blurry shots. The first coupel of space shots looked pretty fuzzy. The first Enterprise fly by and the shuttle lauching out of the Enterprise.

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Okay, if the VISUAL EFFECTS shots are "out of focus", then you know it's either a projector or print duplication issue.

Cause I guarantee you Digital Domain didn't render out their stuff, then "blur" it in post.

And secondly, my cousin used to work at a theater and i can say, that the stupid teenage people runing it don't know what they are doing very well and don't care either. What kind of stupid fu(k puts the movie film between their toes or drop it on the floor and not clean it properly. Honestly, is this country made up of retards?

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Originally posted by justin boggan:
if Rick gave a dame

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well.... we all knew he was pimping something!

Dan

While it's not an amazingly groundbreaking piece of work, it still has that Goldsmith touch that I love. Tracks like "The Mirror" and "The Scorpion" have that classic Jerry action music that others can't replicate. Sure, it's a bit watered down when compared to stuff like "Open the Gates" from Star Trek V and the action music that was in Total Recall, but I like it anyway.

This is the first SACD I've bought that comes in the SACD-style jewel case. I like it. One of the weakest links of the standard jewel case are the hinges and they are so much better on these cases.

I can't wait until I can listen to this album for the first time again when I get SACD capability. I should have commandeered some equipment at Best Buy and tried it out at the store.

And remember, folks, The Black Hole was the first film score that was recorded digitally.

- Young Mr. Little

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Originally posted by jonathan_little:
This is the first SACD I've bought that comes in the SACD-style jewel case. I like it. One of the weakest links of the standard jewel case are the hinges and they are so much better on these cases.

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I have one of those cases, and the hinges are so weak, they couldn't hold the front piece of the case even when I got it fresh from the store.

Killed by a director and a screenwriter named Baird and Logan.

They stole from the 2nd film, without the heart and soul of that film.

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Originally posted by JoeinAr:
Here it is over a year after Nemesis' release, and the Star Trek Movie Franchise is dead.

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I'm sure many people said that after the 3rd season of TOS. It was over 10 years before Trek came to the big screen. Fear not. Trek shall rise again.