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Spicy Ramen

Romulan

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/50993.htmOnly the film score community has the balls to criticize Madonna...

posted 11-24-2002 05:22 PM PT (US) 
Hornerfan

Romulan

Haha. I agree, the song BLEW. And to think, Leonard Maltin and his female co-host on Maltin's TV show think this song is Oscar caliber. For shame, for shame.Mike
posted 11-24-2002 05:24 PM PT (US) 
jonathan_little
Romulan

LOL -- Spicy Ramen, That's great!NP: Rio Conchos
posted 11-24-2002 05:57 PM PT (US) 
Richard

Romulan

quote:
"She got three minutes, I got 92."LOL
posted 11-24-2002 06:36 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

Romulan

It's refreshing to see that Arnold is not afraid to criticize the Madonna "decision." I hope it doesn't affect his standing as a Bond composer.Jeron
posted 11-24-2002 06:39 PM PT (US) 
Kevin
Romulan

I actually cringed and sunk down in my seat while that was playing during the title montage (which I thought sucked as well).Let's just hope the next Bond film gives us a good song.
posted 11-24-2002 07:31 PM PT (US) 
Spicy Ramen

Romulan

IMHO, I think that Garbage's song for TWINE takes the cake for the worst song.
posted 11-24-2002 07:44 PM PT (US) 
SplbrgWlms

Romulan

I actually thought the Madonna song was "better" in the context of the title sequence. That doesn't mean that it was good. I still despise the song. But it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.I like how the story was put into the title sequence. Something a little different. I didn't, however, like those flaming bodies. I thought they looked... what's the word I'm looking for... oh yeah... stupid.
I could have really done without the remix of Madonna's song at the end. Did we really need a remix? NO!
I don't let that get too much in the way of what I thought, with the exception of a few things (very cheesy visual FX, Madonna's song, and bad audio mixing), was a pretty good inclusion in the Bond franchise.
[Message edited by SplbrgWlms on 11-24-2002]
posted 11-24-2002 08:34 PM PT (US) 
BMikeJ

Romulan

I wish they had used Garbage again for this picture. I really didn't care for the Madonna song. At least with the Garbage song in TWINE, it felt a little closer to a Bond song. The credits sequence was so good this time and actually advanced the story. That song was the only shortcoming.
posted 11-24-2002 09:28 PM PT (US) 
Jeron

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by BMikeJ:
I wish they had used Garbage again for this picture. I really didn't care for the Madonna song. At least with the Garbage song in TWINE, it felt a little closer to a Bond song. The credits sequence was so good this time and actually advanced the story. That song was the only shortcoming.Mike, the song would have been out of this world had David Arnold written it, as he did with TWINE. Madonna's a great talent - it's not as if she couldn't pull it off. It's the fact that she wrote the song and it turned out the way it did that's rubbing a lot of people the wrong way.
But hey, we still got a fantastic score out of the deal. And I'm personally hoping that this kind of response to the song will encourage the producers to make the right choice next time.
[Message edited by Jeron on 11-24-2002]
posted 11-24-2002 10:26 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

Romulan

What Arnold said is true!My friends 10 year old daughter said the song was crap and she's a Madonna fan!
As to whether an Arnold Bond song would have been 'out of this world' as Jeron says is debatable (and of course we'll never know), 'Surrender' is good, good but not great, Goldfinger is great! whereas The World Is Not Enough was quite mediocre but at least it sounded like Bond, to be fair Barry didn't always hit the mark, 'All Time High' and 'Man With The Golden Gun' being prime examples IMNSHO though others here may like these and think I'm way off the mark?!
I think Arnold's new Bond score DOES suffer from not having a title song to reinterpret throughout the film.
NP : Logan's Run - Goldsmith
posted 11-25-2002 05:28 AM PT (US) 
John Zimmer

Romulan

LOL That's hillarious! Go David!!
Jz
posted 11-25-2002 05:36 AM PT (US) 
justin boggan

Romulan

Who the man? David's the man! Yeah! Strike one for US!
But i wonder if Davidd will leave pissed like Barry did after a few years. Maybe the next script should be by hard core fans and submitted through an agent.
posted 11-25-2002 07:14 AM PT (US) 
Ricard L. Befan

Romulan

quote:
What Arnold said is true!My friends 10 year old daughter said the song was crap and she's a Madonna fan!
True? Arnold just expressed his OPINION, just like the 10 year old girl.
posted 11-25-2002 07:26 AM PT (US) 
Camillu

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by Timmer:
...IMNSHO...lol!
posted 11-25-2002 07:36 AM PT (US) 
Jennie

Romulan

haha wow...
that's pretty harsh bashing on madonna and her song like that...
personally, i kinda like the song and i know a lot of my friends like it too. maybe it's cuz we're still young college students or something (i'd have to agree though...this song is much better than the garbage one)don't mind the silly 19 year old's opinion though

posted 11-25-2002 07:56 AM PT (US) 
Bond1965

Romulan

You know...if the film didn't have a title "Die Another Day," Madonna wouldn't have a lyric.C'mon people. Those lyrics are lame. They make no sense. And there is little to no melody to speak of.
"Sigmund Freud...Analyse this...Analyse this." PLEEEESE.
Now...when you have a REAL lyricist like Don Black you get something that makes sense and applies to the film.
"The World is not enough. But it's a perfect place to start, my love. And if you're strong enough, together we can take the world apart, my love."
Or
"People like us know how to survive. There's no point in living if you can't feel the life. We know how to kiss and we know how to kill. If we can't have it all then nobody will."
PLUS there is a MELODY!!!!
Hell...even "Goldeneye" and "Tomorrow Never Dies" had those things and lyrics that made more sense.
James
posted 11-25-2002 08:37 AM PT (US) 
Bradley

Romulan

Huff!!! Huff!!Sorry, I had to run to catch this bandwagon!

I also didn't like the Madonna "song" and I love what David Arnold said about it. I think a much better choice could have been made for the opening title. Of course, I felt the same way about Sheryl Crows "Tommorow Never Dies". Let's face it, not all of the Bond songs are good. Some are hits and some are misses. This Madonna one is definitely a miss.
Bradley
BTW, if I had to pick my favorite Bond song, it'd be We Have All the Time in the World for OHMSS. Goldfinger and Live and Let Die would be close seconds. IMVHO.

posted 11-25-2002 09:37 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

Romulan

quote:
from the article:
Die Another Day," which debuted Friday, is Arnold's third Bond score, and he assures people won't hear another note from Madonna's song, which shares the film's title, anywhere else in the movie.Well, that's if you don't count the reception scene in the Ice Palace, or the end titles, of course.

Dan
posted 11-25-2002 09:42 AM PT (US) 
ChrisN

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by Bradley:
Let's face it, not all of the Bond songs are good. Some are hits and some are misses. This Madonna one is definitely a miss.The song is a hit. Top ten on Billboard's Hot 100. 750,000 singles sold worldwide. It's been a long time since "A View To A Kill". And it's the biggest opening boxoffice for a Bond film. Ever. I wonder how much the song (and Halle Berry) had to do with that..........
posted 11-25-2002 10:09 AM PT (US) 
dgoldwas

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by ChrisN:
And it's the biggest opening boxoffice for a Bond film. Ever. I wonder how much the song (and Halle Berry) had to do with that..........Well, let's take ticket prices and inflation into account - and then figure out if it's the biggest opening ever.
(1962 dollars are much different than 2002 dollars!)And I can't really imagine that most people flock to a theater to pay $9 for a movie just cause of a Madonna song - I think it's cause the film is fun, entertaining, and a good way to spend some time in the movie theater - and we all know Bond is a household name, which will have an "expected" draw anyways. (Personally, I'm still glad it beat out Harry Pooter this weekend.)

Dan
posted 11-25-2002 10:43 AM PT (US) 
Bond1965

Romulan

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by Bradley:
[b]Let's face it, not all of the Bond songs are good. Some are hits and some are misses. This Madonna one is definitely a miss.
<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>The song is a hit. Top ten on Billboard's Hot 100. 750,000 singles sold worldwide. It's been a long time since "A View To A Kill". And it's the biggest opening boxoffice for a Bond film. Ever. I wonder how much the song (and Halle Berry) had to do with that..........
[/B]<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>Yeah Chris...it's a "Hit" with the record buyers/radio listeners but NOT with the critics and majority of fans.
Lots of crummy songs make air play and the top 40.
I just think the Madonna song wasn't nearly as good as other things she has done. This "techo" phase she's going through was only really good when she was working with William Orbit.
James
[Message edited by Bond1965 on 11-25-2002]
posted 11-25-2002 10:46 AM PT (US) 
TV's Frank

Romulan

This was big news, it was even mentioned on the Chicago morning news today, by their LA news correspondant. And the all agreed the song sucked ass! The movie was great, though.
posted 11-25-2002 12:14 PM PT (US) 
Mark Olivarez

Romulan

I'm not suprised the song is doing good on the charts given the crap that passes for music these days. I expected better from Madonna, not this electric techno junk. For the record I am a fan of hers and have been listening to her music since 1984. I may be entirely wrong in my thinking but I would imagine 750,000 singles probably has more of a reflection on Madonna fans and not the soundtrack community or true Bond fans.
posted 11-25-2002 01:14 PM PT (US) 
HadrianD

Romulan

I really wanted the Madonna to work. Not saying that I like this atrocious crap that passed for a Bond song, but I trusted that some twisted genius had a great idea for the song. But when i watched the main titles yesterday, I was OVERWHELMED by how CRAPPY it was. You could barely hear the lyrics while watching those nice girls dance around nakedly while having molten liquid digitally grafted on them. I swear, she could have atleast paid some respect to the Bond name before $hitting on it. AT THE VERY LEAST! she could have had David gone over it just to make sure that SOME elements would reflect the 92 some minutes of music that comes after her torturous bowel movement of a song.
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.in other news, my girlfriend actually asked me, while watching the movie, if the CD will be good, i.e. if the music she heard (david's) will be on there. She usually tells me that after the movie ended.
And she's not a score fan like I am.posted 11-25-2002 01:30 PM PT (US) 
Gae

Romulan

I also agree with David Arnold on this one. The song sucks big time. It isn't even in the same league as previous Bond Songs and doesn't even deserve to be associated with a Bond movie. The song itself sounds like someone is fiddling with the volume control button..its really annoying. Having said all that, its a shame that the NY Post had to use Prince Phillip (the apotheosis of Good taste) as an example of another dissenting voice.Gae NP Die Another Day (Madonna...NOT!!!)
[Message edited by Gae on 11-25-2002]
posted 11-25-2002 02:04 PM PT (US) 
PeterK

FishChip

I agree with James. Even outside of the Bond stigma, this is a tired song from Madonna. The techno phase should be over as far as her music goes. She is spending so much time in London these days with Ritchie Rich - perhaps it's hard to work the thump thump out of the system by being there. Time to re-invent, methinks.
posted 11-25-2002 02:17 PM PT (US) 
AaronR1074

Romulan

LOL...Just read this on Aint It Cool News
"Segue into the title sequence and song. As anyone, but the hearing impaired, will swear in a court of law that Madonna’s DIE ANOTHER DAY white noise is by far the worst song ever in the history of film, much less James Bond. The actual visual aspect of the opening credits was spectacular. Really great work, only there was no mute button in the theater. I thought maybe this song was a set up. A song so bad that it instantly creates a vicious hatred for her, so when she appears in her cameo later in the film, perhaps a wayward swing of a sword would lob off her head, thus causing every audience in the world to stand up and applaud the film for 3 solid minutes. Alas… that never happened. "
Those are Harry's words of course. He took the words right out of my mouth.
The song is just bad, really really bad. And seeing Madonna try to play off Bond during the fencing scene, spouting off sexual innuendos that really had no place in the scene, because there was a far hotter chick in the room with him to hit on (the MI:6 traitor)... well it just didn't work for me. Mabye if she was one of the extras that got shot or run over by the Aston Martin...
[Message edited by AaronR1074 on 11-26-2002]
posted 11-26-2002 01:47 PM PT (US) 
Timmer

Romulan

quote:
Originally posted by Gae:
I also agree with David Arnold on this one. The song sucks big time. It isn't even in the same league as previous Bond Songs and doesn't even deserve to be associated with a Bond movie. The song itself sounds like someone is fiddling with the volume control button..its really annoying. Having said all that, its a shame that the NY Post had to use Prince Phillip (the apotheosis of Good taste) as an example of another dissenting voice.Gae NP Die Another Day (Madonna...NOT!!!)
[Message edited by Gae on 11-25-2002]
The gospel according to Prince Phil...Slanty eyes, pot bellied Polish, pissed up Scots, light sockets made by Indians etc etc, the man is a national treasure

posted 11-26-2002 05:27 PM PT (US) Old Infopop Software by UBB
