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PAUL TONKS Reman	I'm very disappointed to report that early word on this score was much exaggerated. Having read the threads here & elsewhere, I suspect a lot of Goldsmith & Trek fans are going to be just as sorely disappointed. In the booklet notes, Bob Townson reiterates the press blurb that this is "a powerful, even thunderous action score". There are some cues featuring segments of action material, but my initial impressions are that there's not nearly enough to warrant being classed as an all-out action score. Let me say that this is after only playing twice this morning. Who knows? Perhaps it'll all seem wonderful after seeing with the movie. But I can't imagine the sound mix completely eradicating the annoying electronic whispery-whee noises Goldsmith's been using for far too long. Nor will I be able to ignore "pounding" writing that's far too familiar from his other action scores. The worst of it for me is being built up to believe the use of his Trek motifs would pay off in some glorious fashion befitting what's supposed to be the last Trek (yeah...) Although the infuriating downturn of notes in his End Credits reprise has stopped, it all seems so lifeless - especially in the brass. I got into film music in large part because of Trek. So there's no malice toward the franchise being put about here. I'm just genuinely disappointed & wanted to warn those who may be swept along by the accumulative enthusiasm the recent on-line clips & buzz may have caused. My full review will appear at Movie Poop Shoot next Weds. Along with more cheery reviews & news! PAUL TONKS
posted 11-21-2002 04:36 AM PT (US)

Wedge Romulan	What I'd like to know is: are those two clips which premiered on the official Star Trek website, "Data and B9" and "Let's Get To Work", on the soundtrack CD?
posted 11-21-2002 05:07 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Romulan	I don't mean to be too harsh but sometimes you can get enough listening to 30 sec clips, especially if you have been listening to a composer's works for the last 20+ years. While I will buy this CD, to me the clips didn't sound like the great score this is hyped up to be.
posted 11-21-2002 06:45 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Romulan	quote: Originally posted by Wedge: What I'd like to know is: are those two clips which premiered on the official Star Trek website, "Data and B9" and "Let's Get To Work", on the soundtrack CD? Wedge I think it mentioned that they may not be the versions heard on the CD.
posted 11-21-2002 06:46 AM PT (US)

Wedge Romulan	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: Wedge I think it mentioned that they may not be the versions heard on the CD. MAY not ... I want confirmation from someone who's heard the CD that they ARE not. Thanks.
posted 11-21-2002 07:06 AM PT (US)

HAL 2000 Romulan	There must certainly be something to Mr. Tonks reaction. And I will be dissapointed if the online clips are more representative of whole CD than Varese's description. This is why I really would rather hold out until I see the movie to get a balanced view. But I may as well not pretend. I'll have on Tuesday and I'll judge for myself.
posted 11-21-2002 07:18 AM PT (US)

PAUL TONKS Reman	quote: Originally posted by Wedge: What I'd like to know is: are those two clips which premiered on the official Star Trek website, "Data and B9" and "Let's Get To Work", on the soundtrack CD? The pieces are certainly on the album - don't ask me to cite the exact cues right now. It's peculiar the Trek site has these alternate cue names though... PAUL
posted 11-21-2002 09:06 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	quote: Originally posted by PAUL TONKS: It's peculiar the Trek site has these alternate cue names though... Nah, not really - they probably just picked their cues based off the complete recording of the score (hence their comment about how it might not represent the final album). And it's not unusual for cue names to be changed when coming up with track titles for the soundtrack album. Dan
posted 11-21-2002 09:17 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Romulan	I still say Goldsmith's scores, even when mediocre, are still more enjoyable than most everything else out there. I've only heard the 30-second samples, but I liked the electronic work and the horns in "Final Flight". It seems to have more thematic diversity the INS.
posted 11-21-2002 09:20 AM PT (US)

Kevin Romulan	I will wait and pass judgement until I hear the whole score (next week, if I have the money to buy it). Otherwise (to make Jeron happy) it's a wonderful piece of work. Kevin
posted 11-21-2002 10:08 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Romulan	So, did I sound desperately optimistic in my last post? I guess I have to be, it's for me to be objective when it comes to Goldsmith. However, I do wish that someday Poledouris woudl get a chance at Trek. Can you imagine his ROBOCOP/STARSHIP TROOPERS-style scoring behind the Enterprise in action? Now that's inspiring!
posted 11-21-2002 10:37 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Romulan	Want to see 5 minutes from NEMESIS? This is from the IFILM site, two or three scenes from the film with temp music, but the scenes do play out well - SPOILERS!!! http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_multimedia/0,4470,2446644,00.html
posted 11-21-2002 03:33 PM PT (US)

Jeron Romulan	Yeah, those five minutes of footage are great! Edited together seamlessly- and the temp works incredibly well. I saw it last night and definitely enjoyed it.
posted 11-21-2002 03:58 PM PT (US)

Timmer Romulan	3 composers I'd love to see tackle Trek... Basil Poledouris Christopher Young James Newton Howard Goldsmith has never come anywhere near close to his original Star Trek : TMP, in fact, in my not so humble opinion, James Horner's two scores are way better than anything Goldsmith did after his original effort....time to give it to someone fresh! NP : Logans Run - Goldsmith ...excellent...thankyou Mr. H
posted 11-21-2002 04:50 PM PT (US)

Dinko Romulan	Poledouris? Is that the name of the latest mummy they found in Egypt? The name reminds me of history class. Like some old relic brought to mind anew.
posted 11-21-2002 06:53 PM PT (US)

Brendan Anderson Romulan	quote: Originally posted by PAUL TONKS: But I can't imagine the sound mix completely eradicating the annoying electronic whispery-whee noises Goldsmith's been using for far too long. Nor will I be able to ignore "pounding" writing that's far too familiar from his other action scores Paul, after your review of Die Another Day and now this, I'm beginning to think you and I would be good friends. This is precisely what I was worried about for this Trek score and I'm kind of sad to hear that my fears are now confirmed. I may still get this Trek score, just because it's Trek after all, but it's too bad that it won't live up to the hype Varese has created for it...I was hoping for some big boisterous evil theme or something...maybe even some new twist to the Trek theme. Oh well. -Brendan
posted 11-21-2002 07:14 PM PT (US)

PAUL TONKS Reman	quote: Originally posted by Brendan Anderson: Paul, after your review of Die Another Day and now this, I'm beginning to think you and I would be good friends. This is precisely what I was worried about for this Trek score and I'm kind of sad to hear that my fears are now confirmed. I may still get this Trek score, just because it's Trek after all, but it's too bad that it won't live up to the hype Varese has created for it...I was hoping for some big boisterous evil theme or something...maybe even some new twist to the Trek theme. Oh well. -Brendan Thanks Brendan! Something - anything that expanded on the Theme is precisely what I was hoping for. Or better still, how about a new theme that celebrates this final journey? But no... As for an Evil Theme - this is what's called "ingeniously dark textures" in the booklet. Hmmm. I wish Joel had helped out again... PAUL
posted 11-22-2002 01:13 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Romulan	quote: Originally posted by PAUL TONKS: I wish Joel had helped out again... PAUL Forget McNeely, they should have brought back Cliff Eidelman. That's a guy who need some more work!!! But, I haven't heard ST:N yet so I will wait to pass judgement. -Erik-
posted 11-22-2002 07:27 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Romulan	quote: Originally posted by PAUL TONKS: I wish Joel had helped out again... PAUL Forget McNeely, they should have brought back Cliff Eidelman. That's a guy who need some more work!!! But, I haven't heard ST:N yet so I will wait to pass judgement. -Erik-
posted 11-22-2002 07:27 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Romulan	He means Jerry's son Joel, who helped out on First Contact.
posted 11-22-2002 08:12 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Romulan	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: He means Jerry's son Joel, who helped out on First Contact. O.K... I'm a ****in' knob!!! Of course Joel Goldsmith. I thought he might have meant Joel McNeely because of his fabulous work on Air Force One. Alrighty then, time to get another coffee!!! -Erik-
posted 11-22-2002 08:17 AM PT (US)

Brendan Anderson Romulan	quote: Originally posted by PAUL TONKS: I wish Joel had helped out again... No! There's only one thing about Star Trek First Contact that I couldn't stand more than Goldsmith's typical action music, and that was Joel Goldsmith's yak-inducing Borg music in "Locutus." The only venue I've ever found that I enjoy Joel Goldsmith in is when he has been heavily orcheatrated by Nick Dodd. -Brendan
posted 11-22-2002 08:25 AM PT (US)

PAUL TONKS Reman	quote: Originally posted by Brendan Anderson: No! There's only one thing about Star Trek First Contact that I couldn't stand more than Goldsmith's typical action music, and that was Joel Goldsmith's yak-inducing Borg music in "Locutus." The only venue I've ever found that I enjoy Joel Goldsmith in is when he has been heavily orcheatrated by Nick Dodd. -Brendan Gack! Right after Brendan & I look set as pals for life I go & blow it by kidding about Goldsmith Jr! Joel did contribute more than just Borg cues, as evidenced by the complete sessions CD... And Mr. Woods - McNeely? Don't you make me come over there again just to knock you on your arse (that's Brit-speak). McNeely attempting Trek? SHUDDER! PAUL
posted 11-22-2002 09:26 AM PT (US)

Erik Woods Romulan	quote: Originally posted by PAUL TONKS: And Mr. Woods - McNeely? Don't you make me come over there again just to knock you on your arse (that's Brit-speak). McNeely attempting Trek? SHUDDER! PAUL I'm sorry man... it was early in the morning when I read your comment and I thought YOU had gone nuts by mentioning McNeely. I think from now on "Mr. Tonks" we should be using last names. For instance, I think it would be great to have John compose some music for a Star Trek movie. Now, which John am I talking about... Williams or "Debney" LOL -Erik-
posted 11-22-2002 10:26 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Romulan	quote: Originally posted by Erik Woods: Now, which John am I talking about... Williams or "Debney" Hmm.... would be cool to hear John Ottman take on Trek..... Dan
posted 11-22-2002 10:46 AM PT (US)

Hornerfan Romulan	You all are ALL wrong. Brian Tyler should get a shot at Star Trek, dammit. Mike NP: Die Another Day - Arnold
posted 11-22-2002 02:10 PM PT (US)

Jeron Romulan	David Arnold should get a shot.
posted 11-22-2002 02:21 PM PT (US)

James Romulan	Okay, NEW RULE FOR EVERYONE... whenever you want to say something along the lines of "I think this(these) composer(s) should do this movie," the first name out of your mouth must always be BRUCE BROUGHTON. After that you can choose whomever you want. Maybe if we all will it hard enough, our collective psychic energy will get him a high-profile assignment again. And remember, direct your thoughts toward L.A.... it'll do no good to leave them swimming around in your head collecting dust.
posted 11-22-2002 02:45 PM PT (US)

jonathan_little Romulan	I really think David Shire or John Cacavas should give it a shot. No really, they should!
posted 11-22-2002 05:38 PM PT (US)

pietari Romulan	Ok. I`m tired. BUT, if there ever should be a composer to give new life to a franchise: Elliot Goldenthal ST music, oh yes! And BTW, Chain Reaction is not a great score....
posted 11-22-2002 06:08 PM PT (US)

Jared Cowing Romulan	quote: Originally posted by James: *the first name out of your mouth must always* be [b]BRUCE BROUGHTON**. After that you can choose whomever you want.[/B] Amen.
posted 11-22-2002 08:02 PM PT (US)

SPQR Romulan	I don't know what all this bitching is about. Considering how bloody awful these features have been, I think Goldsmith has aquitted himself rather well...as he always has when handed **** on a platter. As for some of the suggestions...Ya, I'm sure Goldenthal would be thrilled to have his music passed through the Bermanizer and hear it come out the other end sounding like little more than Dennis McCarthy in a petulant mood. David Arnold would probably think he's writing a sequel to Stargate...I mean, he's been doing nothing but that since then. Regrettably, Young hasn't got much name value. Horner is too expensive. Besides, a Star Trek score isn't Oscar bait. [Message edited by SPQR on 11-22-2002] [Message edited by SPQR on 11-22-2002]
posted 11-22-2002 10:52 PM PT (US)

PAUL TONKS Reman	quote: Originally posted by SPQR: [B]music passed through the Bermanizer [B] Now that is one of the funniest & most astute comments I've seen posted here so far... PAUL
posted 11-23-2002 12:39 AM PT (US)

Jeron Romulan	quote: Originally posted by James: Okay, NEW RULE FOR EVERYONE... whenever you want to say something along the lines of "I think this(these) composer(s) should do this movie," the first name out of your mouth must always be BRUCE BROUGHTON. After that you can choose whomever you want. Good rule, Kirk.
posted 11-23-2002 04:18 AM PT (US)

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