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    Topic:   What's the deal with "Femme Fatale?"

     Bond1965
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    This film came out in France earlier this year and there was a CD released.

    The film finally opens here tomorrow and yet I can find no confirmation on a domestic release. (I had thought I had read Milan was releasing it.)

    Amazon lists an import CD coming out on Nov. 12th with bonus tracks, but I'll be damned if I'll pay over $40 for it.

    Anyone have any additional information on this?

    James

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    posted 11-05-2002 12:35 PM PT (US)     

     Pete M
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    Is that Sakamoto?

    I'm really keen to see this new de Palma film - anyone know when it's due to hit UK screens?

    Sorry I can't help any with your actual query though James, but I don't know nothing!

    NP FOTR

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    posted 11-05-2002 02:56 PM PT (US)     

     Philipp
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    Wasn´t Doyle set to score the movie?

    Philipp

    np: frankenstein (doyle)

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    posted 11-05-2002 03:04 PM PT (US)     

     Bond1965
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    Yes the score is by Sakamoto. The CD is available in France, just looking to see if there is a U.S. release coming or should I pay for an import.

    James

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    posted 11-05-2002 03:20 PM PT (US)     

     Indysolo
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    Doyle did score the "East West" film within the film.

    Sakamoto's score owes a lot to Ravel.

    Great movie, just saw it!

    Neil

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    posted 11-06-2002 01:39 AM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    The film is out in the US but no mention of a soundtrack on the TV trailer that I could see. I payed for an import of Barry's Playing By Heart and then it came out domestic. I'd hate to pick this up as an import and have the same thing happen. Then again, I'd hate to not pick it up and have it disappear. I, for one, love just about everything Sakamoto does (there are exceptions). I thought Snake Eyes was fine and I'm looking forward to this score as well.

    I'm not as thrilled with DePalma as I was 25 years ago. Style over substance. Casualties of War made Oliver Stone look subtle. Mission: Impossible was bitter. Snake Eyes was ok though, but no great shakes. I skipped Mission to Mars on the advice of too many people I respect. The Detroit reviewer disliked Femme Fatale big time (one star) but the New York Times reviewer had good things to say about it. If I am going, probably better do it soon--I'd be surprised if it did any kind of box-office.

    [Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 11-07-2002]

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    posted 11-07-2002 11:32 PM PT (US)     

     joan hue
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    I love De Palma films, especially Body Double, Dressed to Kill, Blow Out, Carrie, and
    The Untouchables.
    I saw this film yesterday. NO spoilers, I promise, just opinions on aspects of the film.

    It is fun to spot of all his homages to Hitchcock AND to his own films, especially Body
    Double.

    Sakamoto’s score has its moments. The Bolero rip-off irritated me and didn’t, in my
    opinion, match the visuals. De Palma always seems to like wall to wall scoring, and
    Sakamoto provides this, sounding often like a pale imitation of Donaggio’s scores.
    (And some Herrmann, especially Obsession.) I liked one melody, but I wish this movie
    would have been scored by Donaggio. If DePalma is going to direct his composer to
    write like this, why not hire the real guy?

    I wonder why Banderas was in this film. Perhaps for his name? He doesn’t have a big
    part, and not much is required from him. He seems to sense that. He is literally dwarfed
    by Ramos, and their chemistry is flaccid and anemic. I don’t think he thought much of his
    role and just walks through it.

    This main character in this movie is Ramos, and I really wonder why De Palma hired her.
    She can’t act. Does she fulfill some T&A fantasy for him? She can’t carry the film, but if
    you’re into female eye candy, you’ll gain a few pounds.

    The plot was for the first half sufficiently interesting enough to keep me engaged. I kept
    trying to guess how all pieces would dovetail and how I was probably being mislead.
    I’ve always liked tricky DePalma endings. This ending was unequivocally the biggest
    PILE of crap filmed since....since...can’t say as it would hint at the ending. While the
    movie has flashes of De Palma style, the choice of Ramos and the rip off ending left me
    feeling very Betrayed by Brian. Like Lou mentions about De Palma's recent stuff, this is more style without substance.

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    posted 11-08-2002 12:48 PM PT (US)     

     Bond1965
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    I think there's more to this film, as with most DePalma films, that you initially see. I just saw the film yesterday and enjoyed it, but now think maybe I should see it again after reading a rave review over at aintitcoolnews.com. There were a lot of things I missed that now seem to "click" and make the "rip off" ending that Joan is complaining about make more sense.

    Go to http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/display.cgi?id=13746 to read the review I'm talking about.

    As for Sakamoto & the Bolero, that is obviously DePalma's idea. The film was more than likely temped with that piece and Sakamoto probably just wrote something very similar to match it. I didn't have a problem with the music. Perhaps the reason Donaggio isn't working with DePalma has to do with a scheduling conflict or a falling out. That I don't know. But I think Sakamoto has done some fine work on this film and "Snake Eyes." Face it, almost all the composers who work in this genre with DePalma end up paying homage to Herrmann.

    With regard to Stamos, she isn't the world's best actress, but I found her fine in the role. Same with Banderas. The performances pretty much hinge on the twist to the plot, which make more sense in hindsight.

    As for DePalma being "style over substance," that criticisim has been thrown at him for over 25 years. I don't see very many directors doing what he does. He SHOWS you what is going on and lets you put the pieces together. You don't have every little thing explained to you like you are 3 years old. You have to work a bit. I always enjoy his BIG set pieces, like the rescue of Gillian in "The Fury" or the museum in "Dressed to Kill." This film has a couple of those too and it's always fun to watch how these things are photographed and edited.

    "Femme Fatale" isn't "Schindler's List," and it's not trying to be. But as a stylish, noir type film it's rather enjoyable. Beats the hell out of crap like "Jackass" and "I, Spy" that are raking in the dough these days.


    James

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    posted 11-08-2002 01:48 PM PT (US)     

     Taylor
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    The problem with DePalma's films over the last few years is that he seems to set them up right, but the endings always suck (most notably Snake Eyes). I just don't get it.

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    posted 11-08-2002 03:36 PM PT (US)     

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    Bond 1965 I did read the review, and Ebert gave it 4 stars. Critics in my area gave it a D.
    Varying reactions.

    I agree he is a visual director, and many of his scenes in the movie were amazing. (And
    I’ve loved almost all of his movies.) Still, it is in my opinion a total cop out ending. The
    audience deserved better, and the ain’t-it-cool review doesn’t save the ending for me. It
    isn’t an enigma nor symbolic nor even very debatable in terms of interpretation. Spoilers
    ahead. It reminded me of the character in Dallas who was killed, but year later, they
    wanted him back so every episode for that last year became just a dream. A literate
    audience deserves better than a cliché. Still, I’m glad when others enjoy what I don’t as
    they had better time. I just don’t want one to think I didn’t “get it.” I got it; I just didn’t
    buy it.

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    posted 11-08-2002 04:47 PM PT (US)     

     Tristan
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    I totally agree with Joan here. I think De Palma was more intrigued with Stamos's body than making a picture that was worth something. What a shame. This was the same guy who gave us CARLITO'S WAY? Come on!!! Yes, there were good moments in it...but they could not save this attempt at a "refreshing detour" in today's current cinema. If you want a true refreshing attempt at stirring things up, try PUNCH DRUNK LOVE, where a personality you thought couldn't act (Adam Sandler) truly pulls it off...at leasr much more successfully than Stamos (who was much better in X-MEN not saying anything). And if you want a Hand of Fate/ Ways It Could've Gone story, go for a genuine attempt at it, like RUN LOLA RUN. A movie that delivers.


    Oh, and since this is a music site: THAT WAS BOLERO IN THE FILM. I certainly hope Sakamoto and DePalma aren't trying to say otherwise. I didn't quite catch an end credit to Ravel...but I was so eager to leave that theatre after the past disappointing few hours.

    Now I will say, I haven't given up on DePalma. The opening heist does prove the man still has his flair...but this movie, as a whole, was a failure for him and his talent, IMHO.

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    posted 11-09-2002 11:03 PM PT (US)     

     Lou Goldberg
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    Bond65: I loved DePalma in the past but seeing his films now is like talking with someone who can only speak with the same 12 words. He isn't just style over substance, he's style without substance.

    I can't speak for FEMME FATEALE because I haven't seen it but MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE was proof enough to see there's nothing behind the smoke and mirrors. I wouldn't mind DePalma mining the past and putting a new spin on it if the end result did something meaningful, but it doesn't.

    Take technique: when Welles or Hitchcock did long takes, it increased tension, you felt it even if you didn't quite know why. Even when Altman tried it, it was reference that fit in with the film he was making, but when DePalma did it in the beginning of SNAKE EYES, it was a stunt, like "how long can DePalma hold his breath."

    And I'd rather have DePalma reach for something original and fail rather than be the latecomer at the same tired table. But there is something else. Some stylistic guys like Leone or Lynch or Hitchcock in the past worked within genres but got in behind them to teach us something, provide a personal viewpoint. In DePalma and in Sam Raimi as well, there's nothing like this behind the stream of images.

    In Hitchcock, the images and the narrative don't let up but, in between the compositions and the thriller plot, things open up long enough for ideas to get through. Sure there's climbing all over Mount Rushmore but there's also ideas about government and personal integrity: what bastards the CIA are, the equasion of wealth and the sinister, the change in Thornhill from a guy giving meaningless girls chocolates and stealing cabs from people to a guy who really cares about someone, and so forth. With Raimi or DePalma, the speed is faster, the story more complex, the attempt at set pieces stronger, but there's nothing behind it. Even commercials have more substance. Atleast commercials try to convince you that things should be easy or that you'll lose position and won't get laid if you don't buy products.

    What's there to learn about things sewn into the fabric of FEMME FATALE? Maybe there is something, I can't say not having seen the film. But chances are it's "just a thriller".

    And even if DePalma films look different from other films, that "originality" doesn't mean anything if there isn't anything to be gained but a sugar rush from watching his films.

    Just because you can use the word postmodern with DePalma doesn't mean there's value in his work. I take it that DePalma wants to play with 40s noir elements here (having raided Hitch and Eisenstein and god knows who else for all he could get away with) right down to the "It's only a dream" ending of WOMAN IN THE WINDOW. There might be a kind of 'spot the reference' game to be played with the film, a kind of play with these forms that might be worth the look. He may have made a pact with the devil to make this film: ok, you get a lot of nude shots of a supermodel and I get to spin a few of my own tricks along side. Fine, but where is the audience in all this, not the stare at the girl audience but the regular I want a story and to be taken someplace audience. That audience isn't taken into account here.

    Of course, I'm being prejudiced saying all this based on circumstantial evidence--I need to go see the film before I can say anything good or bad about it. I'm speculating. And if FEMME FATALE doesn't apply, I'm pegging other films and other works of DePalma.

    Like the guys who crib scores, directors who do it to go through the motions of being a filmmaker just don't interest me. When something new, fresh, real, and important shows up it makes everything else smell like old fish.

    [Message edited by Lou Goldberg on 11-10-2002]

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