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    Topic:   From The Vaults 7: Charles Fox

     Graham Watt
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    It may be a bit early to resurrect Charles Fox from the vaults. I think he's still writing, but he's nowhere near as productive as he once was.

    And that's a shame, because he did some great stuff. Perhaps best known for his (almost annoyingly) catchy TV show theme songs like PUFNSTUF, HAPPY DAYS, WONDER WOMAN and (cringe) THE LOVE BOAT, Charles Fox had a real melodic pop vein to his work, with some of the rhythmic compexities of, say, Burt Bacharach. He put this to good use in great scores like BARBARELLA (sublime), GOODBYE COLUMBUS, and in his enjoyable song score for the basketball movie ONE ON ONE.

    Linked to this pop facet, he did some romantically tuneful scores like A WINDOW TO THE SKY (I love that one), and also had a hit with the characteristically Foxy song "Killing Me Softly (With His Song)", made popular by Roberta Flack.

    But there's another, largely undiscovered side to the composer, I'm sure. There is some good dramatic stuff in FOUL PLAY and 9 TO 5 (I think), but that's mostly "pastiche" dramatic scoring for comedies. I do seem to recall a splendid end title for the TV movie VICTORY AT ENTEBBE - a stirring march gives way to a beautifully heartfelt piano rendition of the theme. And for BUG (great film about firestarting cockroaches) he composed a cold electronic score, surely the antithesis of what we know (and love?) the composer for. His other credits for fairly serious, yet largely unseen, TV assignments would suggest that there's a whole lot of Charles Fox waiting to be discovered.

    Oh well, I only really know his pop stuff and his romantic stuff, but I still like him.

    So what dio YOU think of Charles Fox?

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    posted 10-20-2002 03:38 PM PT (US)     

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    Before I really enjoyed film scores, I saw "9 to 5" and loved Charles Fox's score. I heard that it was released on an LP. If only it were transferred to CD...or Film Score Monthly could come to the rescue!

    In any event, this score deserves a release.

    Musically speaking, most people only remember Dolly Parton's terrific title song, but Fox's music is worth mentioning too. Specific scenes that stand out:

    - Violet's (Lily Tomlin) fantasy where she's a Snow White-type about to give Mr. Hart (Dabney Coleman) his coffee. I love the music in this scene; very beautiful (Trivia: this cue was used in the trailer of "Modern Problems". I know this from back in the days when Encore showed trailers of the films they aired.)

    - Judy's (Jane Fonda) fantasy where she's hunting Hart. Great music, here as well, particularly when Hart is running from one side to the other, like a carnival game

    - the music in the scene where Violet's running around the hospital; some nice psuedo-dramatic scoring here

    Funny how it's been so long since I've seen the film and I can remember it this well.

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    posted 10-20-2002 03:47 PM PT (US)     

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    I'm a huge fan of BARBARELLA, which must be Charles Fox's finest hour. And I've always liked his score for TWO MINUTE WARNING, the sniper-in-a-football-stadium movie with Chuck Heston. His suspense cues in this are right on the money, with a particularly striking percussive effect that characterises the sniper, and a subtle but haunting main theme. His end title music, which begins with Martin Balsam's character sitting alone in the stadium in the aftermath of the tragedy, crying to himself, is very good stuff indeed. Overlooked score, I reckon.

    There's a boot of his more recent score for the cable western THE BROKEN CHAIN, which proves Fox is still a solid composer.

    Once again, we seem to have the same tastes, Graham

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    posted 10-20-2002 08:53 PM PT (US)     

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    His CONAN music has pretty much been slammed to death all over the place. I've only heard snippets of it, but I gotta agree that it's not exactly The Second Coming. Probably not as bad as people want it to be.

    I really liked Fox's THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY score, though...then again, they're probably my favourite comedies, so I'm biased.

    Overall, my exposure to Fox is limited. But I've picked up his name on occasion. Didn't he do a film about that famous country singer....what's her name again, Patsy Kline?

    By the way, Graham. I really like this obscure composer series of yours. Too bad I'm not really visiting the mm.com board that often...

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    posted 10-24-2002 07:17 AM PT (US)     

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    Fox has always been sort of a guilty pleasure - most of his work has a jaunty melodic quality that's just hard to get out of your head when you hear it -- mainly his 'pop' sounding work for television and films... the 'queen' of them all being BARBARELLA - also his work for LOVE, AMERICAN STYLE, WONDER WOMAN, LOVE BOAT and the neat psychedelic theme song for THE GREEN SLIME.

    Since he always got pegged for comedies, it's hard to think of him as a 'dramatic' composer - although his work for FOUL PLAY and 9 TO 5 certainly show that he can handle it. Perhaps if BUG had been a larger success, it would have opened the door for him to score a wider range of films.

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    posted 10-24-2002 08:41 PM PT (US)     

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    Yes, Thor, I remember reading criticisms of the music for CONAN. Mostly synths, and a million miles away from the epic Poledouris score. Budget problems I suppose.

    LRob (or anyone), do you know if the Charles Fox contribution to THE GREEN SLIME was only the song? In some sources he's listed as co-composing the score with Tikitaki Tokamoto (or his brother).

    As I mentioned, Charles Fox has dozens of TV things under his belt, things with serious titles. I think we're only scraping the surface with his fun poppy scores. Stephen mentioned TWO MINUTE WARNING, and that's probably the most high-profile of his straight side. Any more?

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    posted 10-25-2002 01:56 PM PT (US)     

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    LRob (or anyone), do you know if the Charles Fox contribution to THE GREEN SLIME was only the song? In some sources he's listed as co-composing the score with Tikitaki Tokamoto (or his brother).

    It's been years since I've seen the film - if memory serves, he may only be responsible for the title song -- the rest of the score is pretty unmemorable. If I can run across a copy in a week or so, I can confirm that.

    I'm also curious to know what other dramatic work Fox has done; have only seen the last 20 mins of TWO MINUTE WARNING and didn't know that he scored that. Someone out there HAS to know something...

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    posted 10-27-2002 10:37 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Graham Watt:
    It may be a bit early to resurrect Charles Fox from the vaults. I think he's still writing, but he's nowhere near as productive as he once was.

    And that's a shame, because he did some great stuff. Perhaps best known for his (almost annoyingly) catchy TV show theme songs like PUFNSTUF, HAPPY DAYS, WONDER WOMAN and (cringe) THE LOVE BOAT, Charles Fox had a real melodic pop vein to his work, with some of the rhythmic compexities of, say, Burt Bacharach. He put this to good use in great scores like BARBARELLA (sublime), GOODBYE COLUMBUS, and in his enjoyable song score for the basketball movie ONE ON ONE.

    Linked to this pop facet, he did some romantically tuneful scores like A WINDOW TO THE SKY (I love that one), and also had a hit with the characteristically Foxy song "Killing Me Softly (With His Song)", made popular by Roberta Flack.

    But there's another, largely undiscovered side to the composer, I'm sure. There is some good dramatic stuff in FOUL PLAY and 9 TO 5 (I think), but that's mostly "pastiche" dramatic scoring for comedies. I do seem to recall a splendid end title for the TV movie VICTORY AT ENTEBBE - a stirring march gives way to a beautifully heartfelt piano rendition of the theme. And for BUG (great film about firestarting cockroaches) he composed a cold electronic score, surely the antithesis of what we know (and love?) the composer for. His other credits for fairly serious, yet largely unseen, TV assignments would suggest that there's a whole lot of Charles Fox waiting to be discovered.

    Oh well, I only really know his pop stuff and his romantic stuff, but I still like him.

    So what dio YOU think of Charles Fox?



    Back in the late 1980's, Richad Kraft had a film music seminar class at UCLA and I was fortunate enough to go and meet a lot of composers.

    Some weeks we'd get someone who wasn't a "big name" like Thomas Newman or Charles Fox. (We had people like Georges Delerue & Henry Mancini there too, so these guys weren't as "hot" at the time.) Most didn't even know what to ask them when it came time for questions.

    I do remember talking quite a bit to Mr. Fox, who was there with his son and I have to say of all the composers I met during those weeks, Mr. Fox had to be THE nicest man. He was genuinely open and friendly and very appreciative of the attention and interest in his work. It made up for my meeting with the late Henry Mancini during that class, as he wasn't very good with his "fans."

    I'm truly sorry Charles Fox isn't doing as much work as he did back then. But a lot of really talented and good composers aren't working much anymore either. Bruce Broughton, Basil Poledouris, John Scott, Maurice Jarre, Arthur B. Rubinstein, Lee Holdridge, etc. are just some of the people I wish were doing more major projects these days.

    Luckily, Mr. Fox is probably doing quite well from all those 70's TV themes he wrote.

    Wherever he is. I hope he is well. He's a great guy.


    James

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    posted 10-27-2002 11:08 PM PT (US)     

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    Resurrecting this thread due to the following info from Rob Fox, son of Charles - he wrote some of us apparently after being made aware of this thread.

    Guess you never know who's going to read these boards.

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    I most accidentally ran across this running dialogue regarding film music and specifically my composer father Charles Fox. I figured people knew his most commercial works, "Killing me Softly" or "I Got a Name" or "Happy Days", but I'm absolute fascinated by people's knowledge of specific cues from even obscure films.
     
    You all might be curious to watch, on June 10th he is being inducted into the songwriter's hall of fame in New York, an event that will be televised on the Bravo channel if you get that there. He, Don McLean, Fleetwood Mac, Stevie Wonder and some others will be honored that night.
     
    ... I remember that Richard Kraft seminar he did at UCLA. He in fact teaches in the graduate school film scoring department at UCLA now himself one class a year, one time a week, having taken the class over from his close friend and colleague Jerry Goldsmith.
     
    His writing is stronger than ever now,in many ways, still doing films for cable and TV, but also quite extensively in the classical world. His two original inspirations were Nadia Boulanger with whom he studied composition and Classical music at Fontinbleau in the late 50's, and Latin Music from when he played with and wrote for Tito Puente shortly after that. He's had a return recently to both with his newest work, a ballet called ZORRO which premiered in San Francisco this past spring. The ballet was a huge success, there is an album recorded in Prague this year, and the reviews likened the score to Copeland, Stravinsky and Leonard Bernstein. (Look up Michael Smuin Ballet Co or Zorro or San Francisco newspapers  (Some combination of that) and I'm sure you'll find them. That ballet is soon to travel the world. His other ballet from 1979, A SONG FOR DEAD WARRIORS  (also on CD, recorded in London, and a very intense and dramatic piece) has been travelling the world extensively since its premiere--  in fact my parents were in England two weeks ago where it was peformed at Sadler Wells by the Dance Theater of Harlem which plays it in its repertoire. With the same team, they have already begun the next ballet, and he is also writing an original Opera.
     
    As well, he's been doing concerts around the world and State, Japan most recently where he conducted a night of Jerry Goldsmith's and his own music. A new symphonic premieres at Royce Hall at UCLA this coming Wednesday.

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    posted 05-05-2004 08:57 PM PT (US)     

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    Short Circuit 2.....

    :-)

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    posted 05-05-2004 11:15 PM PT (US)     

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    I love Charles Fox-I don't think he wrote the theme song to Pufnstuf,though-although I could be wrong-he did write the complete score to the feature film,"Pufnstuf" which is great! the songs are excellent,especially "Different" sung by Mama Cass-he also wrote "Girl",sung by David Jones(The Monkees)for the film,"The Star Spangled Girl" which he also wrote the score for-it would be so cool to do a box set of his film scores-and call it "The Charles Fox Box"-I am big fan-and nearly nothing of his older work on CD-"barbarella" is a b**tleg-transfered from an LP on Harkit-Happy listening!

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    posted 05-06-2004 07:31 AM PT (US)     

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    I got that e-mail from Robert Fox while at work yesterday also.

    I replied to him and asked if I could post it here, which he was more than happy to let me do, unfortunately I had to the Saturn Awards last night and didn't get a chance. (FYI: Howard Shore won the Best Score Award for LOTR:TROTK)

    There is more to the letter than LRob posted that goes to show what type of guy Charles Fox is:

    "I myself am a screenwriter and director and have hired him several times to do things for me, and plan to do much more together. He'a true filmmaker's composer, selfless, if it's not helping the film, it doesn't matter how great the music is--

    The one person on the chat who said he was the "nicest guy" of all the panelists, that surprises me least of all. If that were something they gave "emmies" for, he'd have the most of anyone. He's a great Dad and now a terrific grandfather to my young kids, happily married after 43 years, and yet, with all that behind him, still only 63 years old, in great health, writing constantly and successfully, living the high life more now than ever, composing, travelling the world (mostly Paris) and family.

    In any case, I enjoyed running across this dialogue and thought to tell you so, and to tell you what to look forward to of his in the future.

    All the best to you all,
    Warm Regards,
    Rob Fox

    PS- if you really want to search something out, the score for a TV film from the mid-70's, it was called "The Stranger within" and then got re-released as "Trespass"-- I believe Barbara Eden was in it. For me, it was one of the most inspired and frightening themes ever recorded, I still hear the piano in my head, were it a feature film at the time of any note, it would have no dbout been given an Oscar and been recognizable like the OMEN or EXORCIST."

    Once again I'd like to remind everyone on these message boards that you don't know who is going to be coming along and reading what you wrote, so think twice when you say something.

    Thanks to Robert Fox for his rememberances and update and agreeing to let us members repost his e-mail.

    James


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    posted 05-06-2004 07:48 AM PT (US)     

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    Many people frequenting this site have probably forgotten the work of Fox, but I have great fondness for his work on such things as GOODBYE COLUMBUS, ONE ON ONE, and the OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. I also agree with the poster on TWO MINUTE WARNING from many moons back, that this was singularly taut suspense score with a unique musical signature for the sniper.

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