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Author	Topic: "The Two Towers-what do you think it will sound like?"

Benford Goldmember	Howard Shore is recording the score for "The Two Towers"at the moment in London with the London Philharmonic.What are your expectations for this score?
posted 08-16-2002 08:18 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	I expect it to be as long and as boring as the first. And no hopes for the 3rd. Hummm what if Mark Snow had scored it.
posted 08-16-2002 08:51 AM PT (US)

Tim_P Goldmember	If Mark Snow had scored it, it would be 3 times as long and 4 times as boring- and with long, boring bad synth string patches.
posted 08-16-2002 09:53 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	Well I'll try and add a constructive comment: I expect to hear a return of quite a few themes, enhanced, tweaked whatever you might call it. I expect to hear Gollum's theme expanded quite a bit, but I am looking forward to a new theme for Rohan/Theoden and some epic battle music for Helm's Deep. With so many new character's coming into play in The Two Towers I am curious to see how many get their own snippet of a theme. We shall see. In any case, this LOTR installment has a chance to be th best score of the year yet again.
posted 08-16-2002 10:12 AM PT (US)

rachmaninov Minimember	I can’t believe you think Shore’s work with the fellowship of the ring was boring. I think the soundtrack is rich in harmony and power, although it isn’t so complex. I definitely trust Shore will do a good work again. Different taste, isn’t it!
posted 08-16-2002 10:19 AM PT (US)

TV's Frank Goldmember	I have high hopes for Shore's TTT score. In can only get better from here on out and we started on a high note with his music for FOTR! I am eager to her his battle music for Helm's Deep - will he reprise material from FOTR, specifically those motifs used in the Moria sequence and the final fight when Boromir gets killed? I am also hoping we get a stately theme for Treebeard, the oldest living creature in all of Middle-Earth, and perhaps a sinister motif for Wormtongue. Brad Dourif always gets the creepy roles!
posted 08-16-2002 11:02 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	As another score lover put it Timmy, Blasphemy! It would not have sounded that way. Lets see, what else should Snow have scored... Pearl Harbor Proof of Life that's it for the moment.
posted 08-16-2002 01:33 PM PT (US)

jeffy Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by TV's Frank: I have high hopes for Shore's TTT score. In can only get better from here on out and we started on a high note with his music for FOTR! I am eager to hear his battle music for Helm's Deep - will he reprise material from FOTR, specifically those motifs used in the Moria sequence and the final fight when Boromir gets killed? I am also hoping we get a stately theme for Treebeard, the oldest living creature in all of Middle-Earth, and perhaps a sinister motif for Wormtongue. Just curious. Did people say something like this after the Empire Strikes Back? Or even while Williams was recording music for The Phantom Menace. And then again when he was recording for Attack of the Clones? OK, maybe it was just me I heard. Anyway, I wasn't emphatically overjoyed by the score for Fellowship when I saw it in the theater. Then I saw it on DVD and thoroughly enjoyed the score. But my expectations for the sequel (film and score) remain neutral for now. I hope the choral work returns. That was the most fantastic aspect of the score.
posted 08-16-2002 01:41 PM PT (US)

John Zimmer Goldmember	Same ol' same ol'. Jz
posted 08-16-2002 03:54 PM PT (US)

Shaun Rutherford Goldmember	Further proof that Justin is a festering pile of dumbass. Shaun
posted 08-16-2002 10:36 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	Further proof that Shaun was spawned from the same hell mother as Ford. [Message edited by justin boggan on 08-17-2002]
posted 08-17-2002 02:35 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	I've been wondering for a long time how much music there will be during the Helm's Deep battle. In the current cut, the battle sequence is supposed to be 50 (fifty!) minutes long. quote: Originally posted by TV's Frank: will he reprise material from FOTR, specifically those motifs used in the Moria sequence and the final fight when Boromir gets killed? Moria had Dwarf chants throughout, I doubt they'll appear in TTT (as I expect them to leave out those caves Gimli finds ). We'll most certainly get more of the Uruk Hai music, plus Sauron, Frodo, Gollum and probably Hobbit (for Merry & Pippin) themes. As for the Breaking of the Fellowship stuff, I still haven't figured out what exactly the themes stand for. If they appear in TTT, we might know more.
posted 08-17-2002 06:14 AM PT (US)

Swashbuckler Goldmember	Well, the only other place that the Hobbit theme appears in the form that it does in "The Breaking of the Fellowship" is in Moria, when Frodo laments about getting the Ring, and Gandalf imparts his wisdom (the line is different in the flashback at the end of the film). I would guess that this version of the theme specifically relates to Frodo taking action.
posted 08-19-2002 06:52 PM PT (US)

Jared Cowing Goldmember	I expect to hear a richly developed 'human' theme played nice, loud, and nobly. You can hear it in FOTR- right when Boromir suggests they take the ring and use it, and it plays in varying tones for another minute or so. If you listen to the theme at first, it just sounds like plain backround music, but if you listen to it carefully you can hear it strike some notes that have a real potential for expansion into an excellent theme. Am I the only one who can hear it, and hear how much it could be developed upon?
posted 08-20-2002 05:54 PM PT (US)

Bomberman198 Minimember	I think it will suck.. like the first one did.
posted 08-20-2002 06:28 PM PT (US)

Richard Goldmember	quote: I think it will suck.. like the first one did. ..and why is that? Do you think it works in the film but not on CD? Do you think it works on CD and not in the film? Do you think it doesn't work in either film or on CD? Why does it quote: ...suck... ?
posted 08-21-2002 06:14 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	YEAH BOMBERMAN198! Alllright, let them have it! Take that Shaun! And that! And another!
posted 08-21-2002 07:04 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Goldmember	And poeple wonder why alot of the older board members have disappeared and no longer post on these boards.
posted 08-21-2002 07:39 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Mark Olivarez: And poeple wonder why alot of the older board members have disappeared and no longer post on these boards. Well, Mark, when a perfectly viable thread devolves into: Person #1: "That score sucked!!" Person #2: "Yeah - it DID suck! High-five!!!" Person #3: "Umm, WHY do you think it sucked?" <-- voice of reason and discussion Person #2: "Screw you Person #3" Person #1: "Yeah - take that #3!" Then it's perfectly understandable why those of us who would rather discuss scores do so elsewhere. Dan
posted 08-21-2002 08:12 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Goldmember	How true Dan, how true. Sadly it seems most of the filmscore message boards are the same way. For the record I expect Shore to produce another outstanding score. My hope is that he will be able to pull off what Williams did for TESB, make the score for the sequel even better than the original.
posted 08-21-2002 09:58 AM PT (US)

Kevin Goldmember	To put my small opinion in, I am expecting a great second act to this story. Having just re-read TTT and making some mental notes along the way (seeing how Jackson made the first film, and ho it was scored), I'm looking for some great battle music, more of the action/adventure type from the first movie, and some outstanding themes (and possible extensions of old ones) in this film. Everyone balked at Shore doing these films, myself included. But after hearing what he did for FOTR, I can't wait for the next two. I at least will keep an open and optomistic mind. Kevin
posted 08-21-2002 11:46 AM PT (US)

thw Minimember	Actually, I can see why some people may dislike the score for FOTR. Not many people enjoy loud action music. Personally, I keep FOTR in my top 40 CD of all time because it's like listening to some kind of opera.
posted 08-21-2002 02:12 PM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	Loud action music...ooookay. Anyway, I admit as well that I voiced concerns when Shore was announced...shame on me. Here's to a grand second act, from both a storytelling and score perspective. Oh, and you all suck by the way!
posted 08-21-2002 04:32 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	No, i like loud action scores, but not that one. And if people don't like my opinion enough to leave this board, well, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. I won't shed a tear. I won't break if i see you cross the street. You people are only draging the board down anyway. Who was the last person, besides Daniel, to constanly argue with people just because they had a different point of view and then when the person(s) defended themselves, they were insulted by the person (Ford) to holdd this board down? Answer, it seems alot lately. I may think LOTR 1 score sucked, but that is just meexpressing my OPINION. This board is for everybody, not just Shauwn and Ford or any other pin head. We are supposed to have fun here and share are common beliefs in film and tv score. Instead we are called children for saying something that is not the exact same thought as the person who insults us. We are laughed at if we really truely love a score David Mazz ACAS, me ST:8, and we are ridiculed for even mentioning a re-release or expanded or complete. Let us dream you bastards. If i were board moderator i would weed you stupid people out. We are here to have a good time and share the love, not the hate. Justin Boggan- Proud to be a score lover and have his complete ST:8 at ready for the cd player.
posted 08-22-2002 05:20 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	Your opinions are more than welcome...interesting debates could not take place otherwise. However, the flak your getting is for a lack of tact. The comment "it sucks" won't win any eloquence awards, but if you back it up with some well thought out criticism you would get a more spirited conversation. Feel to dream...just dream up something a little more interesting.
posted 08-22-2002 02:42 PM PT (US)

SCimmerian Goldmember	So because you did not like the score then it sucks? Well sorry you did not care for it.Since i am a fanatic lover of Sibelius, Wagner and Herrmann and Ralph Vaughan Williams, I truely loved what Howard Shore created.It was a phenomenal score well deserving the many accolades it has received.I can hardly wait for what he will come up with for the Two Towers. I hope another Sibelian/Wagnerian epic.
posted 08-22-2002 10:35 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	Why should he have to explain himself to you? He doesn't not have to defend himself. Last time i checked this was not a debate board. Saying things like Executive Decision and Murder At 1600 are extremely bad are my opinion. It doesn't mean anyone has to agree with me. If i don't like it, i don't like it. Why should i have to defend myself? Why should anyone? We are here to discuss film music, but that doesn't mean we have to get indepth about it when we don't like something. Tact is how you use it and you can use it many ways- it is not necessarily the lack of rather, but how other people feel you used it. Which makes their own opinion. And having your own opinion is just that- yours! You can't force it apon someone else. Bomberman has an opinion, sorry you don't all agree with it, but that's tough monkey nuts. [Message edited by justin boggan on 08-23-2002] [Message edited by justin boggan on 08-23-2002]
posted 08-23-2002 06:46 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	OK, I see your point Justin. I just thought this board had evolved beyond juvenile ranting. My mistake. I thought this was a discussion board. "It sucks...so there"...well, that's not much of a discussion.
posted 08-23-2002 08:05 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Quill: I just thought this board had evolved beyond juvenile ranting. My mistake. I thought this was a discussion board. "It sucks...so there"...well, that's not much of a discussion. Well, Quill, that'll learn ya! Dan
posted 08-23-2002 08:11 AM PT (US)

Mark Olivarez Goldmember	Some people don't get it and never will.
posted 08-23-2002 08:12 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	"it sucks... so there" What more do yiu expect him to add? He didn't like the score. Unless he feels like debating it, that's the end of the line. And relax, you got other epople responding to this tread anyway.
posted 08-23-2002 08:55 AM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by justin boggan: Last time i checked this was not a debate board. What else is it? quote: We are here to discuss film music, "Discuss" being the keyword. quote: but that doesn't mean we have to get indepth about it when we don't like something. So instead of interesting in-depth discussions, you prefer "it sucks" - "no it doesn't" - "yes it does" type threads? (And threads where we can post our twenty new ultra-rare boots each day, of course)
posted 08-23-2002 09:58 AM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	Marian: Last time i checked this was not a debate board. What else is it? ANYTHING WE WANT ABOUT FILM MUSIC. COME ON, DO I REALLY HAVE TO SPECIFY? YOU DO KNOW YOURSELF RIGHT? We are here to discuss film music, "Discuss" being the keyword. YES, BUT SO FAR THIS THREAD HAS GOTTEN HALF THE AMOUNT OF REPLYS JUST TO ME, A WASTE I BELIEVE. but that doesn't mean we have to get indepth about it when we don't like something. So instead of interesting in-depth discussions, you prefer "it sucks" - "no it doesn't" - "yes it does" type threads? (And threads where we can post our twenty new ultra-rare boots each day, of course) DO I HAVE TO GET PISSY LIKE FORD? I NEVER STATED THAT, I DID STATE THAT WE CAN STATE OUR OWN OPINIONS! IF THAT ENTAILS "IT SUCKS" OR "I LOVED THE 4 NOTE MORTIF AND THE END CRESENDO" THAN WHICH EVER. IT IS UP TO THE PERSON WHO REPLYS. AND I STATE AGAIN- THE BOOTS ARE NOT ULTRA RARE. YOU'RE JUST NOT TRADING WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IF YOU TRADE AT ALL. AND THAT IS A THREAD TO LET THE COMMUNTIY KNOW WHAT WE HAVE RECIEVED. WHAT EVER PROBLEM YOU HAVE WITH THAT IN MY OPINION IS REALLY STARTING TO BORDER ON INSANE. LET IT GO, ENJOY YOURSELF MARIAN. SOMETIME WE MAKE POSTS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT SCORE, SOME OF THEM INDEPTH, SOMETIMES WE JUST SAY "IT SUCKS."
posted 08-23-2002 10:36 AM PT (US)

dgoldwas Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by justin boggan: THE BOOTS ARE NOT ULTRA RARE. YOU'RE JUST NOT TRADING WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IF YOU TRADE AT ALL. Aahhh - I get it now. Dan
posted 08-23-2002 11:29 AM PT (US)

Quill Goldmember	You're right Justin...you're not worth wasting time on. Back on topic: Marian--50 minutes for Helm's Deep...that would be fantastic. I remember Viggo Mortensen saying that they spent 2-weeks straight doing night shoots. Even if it is cut down for the theatrical release, hopefully the full cut will materialize on the eventual special edition DVD. But I get too far ahead of myself. I can only imagine how stirring the music will be for this sequence, let alone the entire film. That is, of course, unless it sucks.
posted 08-23-2002 01:04 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Quill: I remember Viggo Mortensen saying that they spent 2-weeks straight doing night shoots. Heh, actually, as far as I remember (I watched the preview a couple of times ), they said that "doing more than 2 weeks of night shoots" is extremely tough. I think the night shoots THEY did were six weeks or something like that.
posted 08-23-2002 05:29 PM PT (US)

Jared Cowing Goldmember	<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=1 face=arial>quote:</font><HR size=1>Originally posted by justin boggan: We are here to discuss film music, but that doesn't mean we have to get indepth about it when we don't like something. <HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE> (Blinks, aghast.) "I liked this score." "I hated this score." (Silence) What an intellectual world we'd be in if we all thought like that. Why would you be here if you don't want to discuss anything? To vent your hate for a particular score? There must be some reason bomerman posted that comment, and it sure wasn't any reason for anyone else's benefit. To stay away from writing posts devoted entirely to ridiculing another's actions, I'm wondering just what sort of music they're going to have for the ents. They're quite a unique race, so I'm sure it'll call for some unique music. Slow, but noble? A majestic and somewhat mysterious tone? I think it'd be something interesting to hear. (BTW, justin... I thought ST 8 was really good too. Track 10 was great- it tied together alot of the themes, and it brought across a powerful tone without resorting to using as many instruments at once as possible. Loud music can be fun, but soft music with an even more powerful effect is a sign of a real great creation.) [Message edited by Jared Cowing on 08-23-2002]
posted 08-23-2002 06:18 PM PT (US)

justin boggan Goldmember	Ewww, now Quill "sucks" And Jared, my man! ST:8 was a magnificant score from Jerry. And his son Joel really pulled something great out of his butt. The sweaping memorative main title by Jerry is soft reminder of things that were with a things to come reminder like ending. 39.1 degrees cecius is an excellant track, the alternate on the 2cd boot i have i actually prefer more. And the errie unsure begining of "Flight of the Pheonix/ Death of a Queen" captures just the right mood, for a few seconds anyway, and the awryyy strings with the uncertainy of the moment leading up to the eventual flight, make it agood wait. The flght itself has heoric mild paced repeating theme that is just remakablely unforgettalbe for me. It shows the heorics of the crew and the smallness of the our race in are doarkest moment even close to destruction yet that little up beat theme drives the adrenaline and keeps it pumping as we defend are selves against the Borg. Culminating in the climaz were the music builds as the Borg queen knows she is going to loose and clings on with the struggleling strings allmost screming at you as to show the Borg queens anger. Then the FC theme is repeated and trails off leading to the beautiful alternation of light hearted and deep boom amazement. With that a slow theme leads to the build up as the Picard destroys the queen. And don't get me started on the alternate cue of "Borg Montage" what a kick ass action piece. Following the smae beats as the scene where Hawk comes back and attacks Picard, this cue lasts an extra 17 seconds. Being more upbeat and longer makes me wonder what the scence originally was.
posted 08-23-2002 08:07 PM PT (US)

Marian Schedenig Goldmember	quote: Originally posted by Jared Cowing: I'm wondering just what sort of music they're going to have for the ents. They're quite a unique race, so I'm sure it'll call for some unique music. Slow, but noble? A majestic and somewhat mysterious tone? I think it'd be something interesting to hear. Considering their nature, I think they should be scored entirely with woodwinds (and perhaps percussion) - that might be the extremely obvious thing to do, but it still seems right to me. And I sooo hope their marching song will make it into the movie! Of course ST8 is a great score. I love how Flight of the Phoenix uses only the first few notes of Goldsmith's Trek fanfare, portraying the beginning of the Federation.
posted 08-24-2002 06:48 AM PT (US)

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