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    Topic:   Signs- James Newton Howard- a review!

     BobaMike
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    I picked up the Signs cd today at Best Buy. James Newton Howard continues to get better with every score! I think he might give goldsmith a run for his money if he keeps this up!

    The main theme/motif, the creepy strings heard in the trailer get a workout in this score, but in the best John Williams fashion, they are rarely played the same way twice. The motif gets scarier each time its played!

    Track 9, "boarding up the house" has sort of a nice repeating theme in it, very enjoyable

    Some parts of this score reminded me, of all things, of the older score to the Lucasarts adventure game, The Dig! The swirling, repeating strings in some of the quieter tracks made me think of that cd.

    The final 2 tracks, "The hand of fate 1 & 2" are a great closer to the cd. Track 12 is a great horror/action track (I can only guess what is going on in the film) and track 13 wraps the score up in beautiful, piano-based manner. Similar to the gorgeous ending to the 6th Sense.

    Over at the FSM board I see people complaing about this being a "boring" cd. That is completely untrue in my eyes. This is every bit as enjoyable as JNH's last 2 scores for Shyamalan's films (and with much better sound than Unbreakable!)

    2 thumbs up!!

    BobaMike

    ps. nice cover art, and it's always cool to see all the performers listed!

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    posted 07-30-2002 07:12 PM PT (US)     

     jeffy
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    I told a friend who hates scary movies but loves Mel Gibson that she'll have to peel herself off the ceiling after this film. It's one of the best horror/thriller films ever. It sets up all the right moments by the use of silence, the musical setup and of course, the absolute darkness.

    JNH's score is great even after that wonderful main title cue. It was a little jarring to hear it, because I was expecting a sinister Sixth Sense type of score. But it aids in the emotion that Night was going for.

    JNH is moving up on my list. Well, I don't really have a list, but if I did, he would be moving up on it.

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    posted 07-31-2002 08:49 AM PT (US)     

     BobaMike
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    Just got back from seeing this film- it's excellent! Great casting, acting, direction! Not as scary or as good as the 6th Sense, but better than Unbreakable. Thoughts:

    SPOILERS!

    -the opening titles are cool....the credits are done in time with the music (heard on cd). Very neat.

    -its nice to see a major Hollywood movie treat religion with resepct (instead of films like ENd of Days, Stigmata, and loads of others). IN fact, all of M. Night Shyamalan's films are religious in either tone or subject matter.

    -for a movie about aliens, we see very few, and we don't see that ships that caused the crop circles at all!

    -as with his other films, Shyamalan brings very many seperate elements together into a twist ending. This one is more involved that before, and made me smile at how things came together!

    -The end titles! Anyone know if this is just tracks combined and edited, or a new piece. The theater was loud and I couldn't tell!

    Overall, an excellent film!

    BobaMike

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    posted 08-02-2002 08:41 PM PT (US)     

     HadrianD
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    I must agree. It's a good movie. Here's my reasons why:

    1. Great main titles, very Hitchcock like, overture in tone. Definite highlight in itself
    2. Great premise, a War Of The World movie from the perspective of the small intimate family setting. It's certainly "real" enough to entice some serious conversation.
    3. Superb casts. The little girl is very cute. Joaquin is funny (especially when he's totally obsessed with the TV footage of the aliens). Mel is excellent in his role.
    4. Good script/story. Funny and dramatic and suspensfull. Some reviewers didn't like the ending, but I was quite surprised. M. Night should try his hand at some more dramatic/action oriented directing.
    5. Good music. Good spotting overall. Builds the tension at many points. The house invasion cue is good and so does the ending sequence... Are they on the CD?

    I'd recommend this to everyone. GO SEE THIS!!!

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    posted 08-03-2002 01:29 AM PT (US)     

     Scott
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    Awesome and very smart film. The music is fantastic the direction incredible and (Hitch style) the director is in the movie, although for much longer than Hitchkcok has ever been.


    Scott

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    posted 08-03-2002 11:15 PM PT (US)     

     scoreguy16
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    The director is in all of his movies. But no where near as much as he was in this one.

    Clayton

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    posted 08-04-2002 11:51 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    I agree with all of the preceeding posts--a smart film that covers the entire gamut of emotions.

    I'm a big fan of sensory overload, but this film impressed me so much because it lets your mind do the work.

    A classic! Oh yeah, the score worked perfectly in the film too.

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    posted 08-05-2002 07:49 AM PT (US)     

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    M Night has become my favorite director! I knew when I saw Unbreakable this guy was it. An extraordinary job on this film. Score worked perfectly in the movie and surprisingly, when I listened to it on CD, I was amazed to hear how well the tracks flowed together. It's definitely one you can listen to all the way through with no problems. Now, if only Night would get back to work on the next two installments for Unbreakable

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    posted 08-05-2002 12:19 PM PT (US)     

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    I always like hearing what a composer will do with the score when his name pops up in the titles. I smiled to myself greatly in Signs because instead of blasting the music like in some flicks (I can't think off the top of my head-maybe Stargate but don't quote me), he toned down the score for his own name then blasted it for the next person. I thought it was neat.

    In this same vain, I liked it in Sleepy Hollow with Danny Elfman's name and Burton actually mentions that in the commentary.

    Anyways, great flick. He and Sam Mendes are definitely the best of the new directors.

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    posted 08-05-2002 09:36 PM PT (US)     

     Lancelot
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    I just saw this movie tonight, and rather liked it, though it wasn't quite what I expected--and that's a good thing in this instance, because none of Shyamalan's films have been anything that I expected.

    I don't like the way people have used this movie to belittle the rather good movie that is Unbreakable. Much like the Coen Brothers Fargo, or Spielberg's Schindler's List, most critical response isn't going to be overwhelmingly strong to that artist's follow-up. Unbreakable had the misfortune of being that follow-up for Shyamalan. Thematically, the movie is consistant, touching on themes of faith, (perhaps moreso in a scene deleted from the original picture, in which Willis questions the pastor, who lost a loved one in the train wreck Willis survived.) family, and introduces the theme of weakness with water (and symbolically, feminity.)

    Signs is a more popularly welcomed film because it is a "thriller", which plays to the unseen fear, the psycholgical, much like The Sixth Sense, and Unbreakable required the audience to meet it at a certain level--a step that some audiences weren't very willing to make. Unbreakable is a much better film than people give it credit for.

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    posted 08-06-2002 09:12 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Lancelot:
    Unbreakable required the audience to meet it at a certain level--a step that some audiences weren't very willing to make. Unbreakable is a much better film than people give it credit for.

    AGREED!

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    posted 08-07-2002 12:22 AM PT (US)     

     Quill
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    I agree...Untouchables is a complex film, with themes and goals that require some participation from the audience.

    The facet of Unbreakable the most impresses me is the reality and indeed believability of the main character's transformation. If there were indeed superheroes--in the real, mundane world, this would undoubtedly be there experience. Simply a different take on Spiderman and Superman, where it seems all to easy to make the transformation.

    In a sense Unbreakable is similar to Signs in this respect. We've all seen War of the Worlds and Independence Day...good movies in their own right...but Signs draws you in because it shows you a microcosm of the plight, how one family would be affected by these events and the stark reality of it all.

    Having said that, I would like to see Mr. Night take a step out of the mundane and try his excellent script-writing hand on something a little more vibrant.

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    posted 08-07-2002 07:59 AM PT (US)     

     TV's Frank
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    I saw this film Monday night, bought the album the next day - that says something, right? I was planning on getting it anyway, but the film really sold me on it. I could not stop talking and thinking about the film after seeing it on Monday, it really affected me deeply. Everything just felt genuine, from the humor to the character moments to the children and everyone's beahvior in general. Also, I knew as soon as the main title started that I would love this film - it was bold and angry, not afraid of being interesting FILM MUSIC or trying to hide behind soft whole notes as other film scores nowadays. I can't wait to see this film again and I listened to album straight through twice last night.

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    posted 08-07-2002 10:45 AM PT (US)     

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    anyone know of a site that has samples from the whole score? neither cdnow or amazon has them, they don't even have the tracklisting.

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    posted 08-07-2002 11:46 AM PT (US)     

     FOrbit
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    MYMUSIC.COM....complete score selections.


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    posted 08-09-2002 10:14 AM PT (US)     

     justin boggan
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    Okay, so he has covered
    Ghosts
    Superheros &
    Aliens

    Perhaps his next is time travel.
    Maybe off beat with a serial killer. Off beat for him.

    I saw signs yesterday.
    Thinking about seeing it again.
    Also saw Austin Powers 3 and MIB 2.

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    posted 08-09-2002 03:34 PM PT (US)     

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    Unbreakable is the best movie i have seen in years.
    Better than 6th and Signs.

    And if their were sequels to it, i would hope they would be as good and Night doesn't screw around with them to make them more appealing to other people.

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    posted 08-09-2002 03:40 PM PT (US)     

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    Here's my two cents about Unbreakable:

    It was too somber for a superhero story. It was very moody, and even when he takes advantage of his powers, the mood of the film never picks up. I can understand that he wanted it to look and feel different than all the other superhero movies, but the reason those movies had some popularity was because they were relatively light on their feet (even the first two Batman films).

    If there are sequels, I'll be there. Superhero films always excite me.

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    posted 08-09-2002 04:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Unbreakable:

    Apart from the fact that Bruce Willis couldn't act his way out of a hatbox, I found the film non-sensical and just plain boring.

    The Sixth Sense:

    After you've figured out Brucy is a ghost in the first five minutes, the only draw to the film is Osmet's performance.

    Signs:

    Just as I don't go see films with Tom Hanks in them, I no longer watch films with Mel Gibson in the them.

    James Newton Howard:

    This fellow is sooooo overrated it's not funny. That he and Elfman can make mileage off of their insipid doodling, while no surprise (people actually like Debney's Cutthroat Island), their continued success is still a source of amazement to me.

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    posted 08-09-2002 06:47 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by SPQR:
    Unbreakable:

    Apart from the fact that Bruce Willis couldn't act his way out of a hatbox, I found the film non-sensical and just plain boring.

    The Sixth Sense:

    After you've figured out Brucy is a ghost in the first five minutes, the only draw to the film is Osmet's performance.

    Signs:

    Just as I don't go see films with Tom Hanks in them, I no longer watch films with Mel Gibson in the them.

    James Newton Howard:

    This fellow is sooooo overrated it's not funny. That he and Elfman can make mileage off of their insipid doodling, while no surprise (people actually like Debney's Cutthroat Island), their continued success is still a source of amazement to me.


    DON'T REVIEW UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE! Until you've seen the movie and heard the score, you don't know **** .

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    posted 08-10-2002 11:31 AM PT (US)     

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    If you'll note, I didn't review Signs. So, you donn't know **** either!

    I have seen a good number of movies accompanied by a Newton Howard score though, Vertical Limit being the most recent, and I can only say the fellow distinguishes himself by a notable lack of dramatic insight or musical craftsmanship. He composes shallow, by the books scores, that either grate with empty bombast (Vertical Limit) or wilt in numbing repetition (Sixth Sense) or ponderous new ageisms (Snows Fallingon Cedars). Posing as Goldsmith here and Williams there (Dinosaurs), without the nuance and intelligence to back it up, doesn't draw my attention. Like other so-called heirs to the Goldsmith/Williams throne: Debney, McNeely and Arnold, Howard is a pale imitator who is mining a very crowded trough. And frankly, can it really be said that, based on othes reviews, that imitating Bernard Hermmann is a sign of ingenuity or is it simply an excercise in ghost writing.

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    posted 08-10-2002 01:51 PM PT (US)     

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    SPQR, I agree with you about being VERY critical of Mel Gibson; after all, who wouldn't be after jingoistic crap like Braveheart, The Patriot, and We Were Soldiers.

    As far as your comments on James Newton Howard, since when was he overrated? I don't recall too many posts on this board, at least, that devoted that much time to JNHs music. I don't see how he poses as other composers, as you say. If anyone is too blame in pondering crap, it would be Hans Zimmer. I love Zimmer's music, but he really puts way too much intellect in what he's saying, especially his comments about playing drama with a single note or how deep Jerry Bruckheimer's and Michael Bay's vision is; oh please. I'd say there's a serious lack thereof with those two. Even you, it seems as if you're trying to be philisophical about how JNH scores work; don't, its silly.

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    posted 08-10-2002 04:08 PM PT (US)     

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    I finally got to hear this score (and am now dying for the film to reach Europe).

    This is probably the most interesting score I've heard all year. Considering it's practically all based on one theme (more like an 'arrangement') it never loses steam and the variations are superb.

    As noted by everyone else, the last 2 tracks are top-notch.

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    posted 08-22-2002 03:44 AM PT (US)     

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    ****SPOILERS****

    While I enjoyed the movie, I have to say that these were the most ridiculous aliens I have ever encountered in any medium. I did feel the absurdity of the aliens hurt the film, but not beyond redemption.

    (Yes, I know that the film is really about faith and family, but for the reaction to the threat to be credible, the threat itself has to be credible.)

    Aliens that can be damaged by water ought to at least wear a raincoat or some kind of protective covering on a planet whose surface is composed of 75% water. A rainstorm could ruin your whole assault. You would think that a race that can turn its ships invisible would have discovered waterproofing.

    Why would they invade and engage in hand-to-hand combat? You can bet that in the US they faced plenty of homeowners armed with small arms and semi-automatic assault weapons. Obviously they can be damaged by direct physical assault, so the army should be able to put a good hurtin’ on them.

    The films answer that they acted as they did so we would avoid nuking them is also ridiculous. I can see this rationale if they were landing craft and actual concentrations of forces that would make the use of nukes feasible, but small raiding parties aren’t logical targets. They should have at least been as well armed as the indigenous inhabitants.

    The only answer that I could come up with is that they weren’t actually aliens themselves but rather were constructs that the aliens used for the raid and were considered expendable. The aliens wouldn’t care if they lost or were destroyed by a rainstorm. This would at least explain how such an absurd race of invaders could come about and why they would be vulnerable to water and why they would be sent into combat with an aggressive native species unarmed.

    NOTE: For those who will claim that I am over thinking the film, consider this: If I could notice these problems after seeing the film one time, doesn’t it seem reasonable that a person who has spent a year or more working a script should notice these problems and fix them?

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    posted 08-22-2002 08:04 AM PT (US)     

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    ***SPOILERS***


    BTW, I thought that Unbreakable was stunning.

    I found the tone perfect considering that this wasn’t meant to be 4-four world brought to life. It was meant to be an examination of what if a superhero actually existed.

    You have to keep in mind that he isn’t facing colorful foes who are obsessed with destroying the city or hold the nation for ransom. He is after serial killers who tie up a family and torture them to death. There shouldn’t be anything lighthearted about that. It should be as grim as it needs to be to make this work.

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