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    Topic:   Silva's amazing achievement: R&J

     Dinko
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    Silva's new rerecording of Romeo and Juliet is magnificent. Well, almost.

    Before I got this release, I listened to some internet audio clips and wasn't too impressed. It sounded like the usual Prague mess.

    But the CD is amazing.

    For once, the City of Prague Philharmonic can be said to actually play professionally.

    Timperley's sound is so much better than previous Silva outings. While still offering the same apparently close-miked recording as before, he avoids the trap of having the background music overpower the main melodies or the excessive reverberation - both of which, combined with below-average performance and conducting, ruined the Alfred Newman album.

    Rota's music is as magnificent as always.

    At times Nic Raine's conducting often sounds too fast. This isn't Formula 1, for crying out loud. It's Rota's most fabulous score. A somewhat more relaxed pace would have made the music so much better. When he does get it right, Raine brings out all the best from the score.

    Mike Townend has reconstructed the score. Successful his reconstruction is. It is hard to hear any major differences between this and the original.

    Now maybe I'm just a picky bastard, but I can't give it five stars. It's just not what I would have preferred. Muti and La Scala are still my first choice Rota performers. And I still like Richard King's somewhat-studio-but-still-concert-hall engineering more than Timperley's studio job.
    The original recording is also somewhat more appealing in its tempi, though Raine tries to follow as much as he can.

    Still, a four star production. If you can't find the original tracks, as conducted by Rota, available on either Silva or Cloud 9, this is as good a replacement as any. In some aspects, it even surpasses the original.

    Unquestionably, the best Prague production from Silva Screen.

    Rating: ****

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    posted 07-17-2002 07:10 AM PT (US)     

     JJH
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    I totally want this CD.


    but let it also be said that they have sounded like professionals before, on Kilar's The Ninth Gate.


    NP -- The Shipping News, Young

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    posted 07-17-2002 09:36 AM PT (US)     

     Marian Schedenig
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JJH:
    but let it also be said that they have sounded like professionals before, on Kilar's The Ninth Gate.

    I was hoping I'm not the only one who thinks that.


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    posted 07-17-2002 10:15 AM PT (US)     

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    Check out their playing on re-recorded Barry scores Raise The Titanic, Robin And Marian, Walkabout and The Last Valley...I have no problem saying their all great!

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    posted 07-17-2002 10:18 AM PT (US)     

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    I agree with you Timmmer!

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    posted 07-17-2002 10:51 AM PT (US)     

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    Oh look, an idiot said:

    quote:

    If you can't find the original tracks, as conducted by Rota, available on either Silva or Cloud 9, this is as good a replacement as any.

    Now that I've gone back and relistened to the old Silva CD, I'd almost want to bring the rating of the rerecording down to ***½ from ****.

    There is a track on the "Original Soundtrack" which runs for 7:48. It's titled "Epilogue" and includes the biggest rendition of the R&J theme, played by the whole orchestra, with the brass taking a more important role. That's missing from the rerecording. I don't know whether the track was even meant to be in the movie, or was just some recording session leftover, which Silva found and stuck to the end of the CD.

    What is called "Epilogue" on the rerecording is the second half of the track called "O Happy Dagger" from the original soundtrack, and runs at about 2:00.

    The whole "Epilogue" suite featured on the original is missing from the rerecording.

    So this new version is no replacement of the old version.

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    posted 07-17-2002 12:12 PM PT (US)     

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    It's my understanding that Silva recorded a suite from ROMEO & JULIET for a Shakespeare themed album. That might be the track you're referring to Dinko.

    I really like the album myself.

    Ryan

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    posted 07-17-2002 05:51 PM PT (US)     

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    Could be. Sort of.

    The track that is featured on the old CD but is missing on the new one is obviously a recording from the 1960's.

    But the 8-minute suite on the Cinema's Classic Romances album could be a rerecording of that track. I'd have to listen and see.

    Though, if it is, I wonder why they didn't include it on the new rerecording.

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    posted 07-17-2002 07:27 PM PT (US)     

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    It should be noted that the party of Ryan Keaveney wishes to express that we have nothing but acclaim for Silva Screen's re-recording of Nino Rota's ROMEO AND JULIET. Any indication otherwise is factually incorrect.

    Ryan

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    posted 07-18-2002 08:29 PM PT (US)     

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    The man just loves the sight of his own writing.

    For the record, I love it, but it could have been better.
    (yes, I love seeing my writing too)

    [Message edited by Dinko on 07-19-2002]

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    posted 07-19-2002 06:37 AM PT (US)     

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    Ford Thaxton sent me an email explaining where the missing "Epilogue" that I'm complaining about came from.

    He says it was recorded by Silva in the 1990's, and was included on the Rota-conducted original soundtrack as a bonus cue.

    Which raises the question about sound. It sounds like something from the 1960's, not like something from Silva's digital Prague recordings. :freaky:

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    posted 07-20-2002 05:50 AM PT (US)     

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    So which recording should a Rota newbie get? I bought my first Rota CD today, a compilation of four film score suites on EMI, conducted by Gianluigi Gelmetti, and I love it. Is R&J a good next step? Or what else would you recommend?

    NP: La strada, suite (Nino Rota)

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    posted 10-08-2002 04:25 PM PT (US)     

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    Marian,

    Let me say that it's wonderful to hear that a new Rota fan has been born, because not enough people know of his genius. On which Rota cd you should get next...it depends which side of Rota you're ready to explore. I would certainly recommend picking up "The Godfather Part 2," as that is a splended album. The first "Godfather" received a bad album release, with only about 25 minutes of the actual score on there, and not the greatest in sound quality either (there is noticeable buzzing on a few of the tracks...didn't bug me though). That score should be remastered and expanded, as several excellent cues are not included. The second Godfather album has excellent sound, and is 38 minutes long. Highly recommended for the beginning Rota fan.
    My favorite Rota score is "Il Casanova," which is the most unique and otherworldly score I've heard in my life. And my second favorite Rota score is "8 1/2."
    I recommend the compilation, "Tutto Fellini," which includes a few cues from every Fellini film (Most of what's on there is by Rota, including excellent suites from Il Casanova, Amarcord and cues from other scores not available anywhere else).
    Try www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com for clips from various Rota scores (although their sample cue from Casanova isn't the greatest, since the rest of the score isn't like that cue for sample, though that is a marvelous cue). Pick up 'Tutto Fellini,' you also get excellent cues from Nicola Piovani and other composers, but most of it is valuable Rota material.

    Best Regards,
    Dylan (whose second favorite composer is Nino Rota)

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    posted 10-08-2002 05:09 PM PT (US)     

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Marian Schedenig:
    So which recording should a Rota newbie get? Is R&J a good next step? Or what else would you recommend?
    NP: La strada, suite (Nino Rota)

    This one: http://www.moviemusic.com/title.asp?id=ninorotamuti2
    Great performance. Great conducting. Great sound. Low price.

    R&J is a great next step, but since the past few months, I have occasionally listened to the original tracks CD and the Prague rerecording back to back. The rerecording, as good as it may be, seems worse everytime (when compared with the original). So if you get R&J, first recommendation would be the original tracks.

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    I bought my first Rota CD today, a compilation of four film score suites on EMI, conducted by Gianluigi Gelmetti, and I love it.

    Yup. Love that EMI CD too. Especially for the price. Nice Rhodes sound too.
    But for comparison purposes, Muti does La Strada and Il Gattopardo better.

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    posted 10-08-2002 07:12 PM PT (US)     

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    Currently, my favorite recording of La Strada is the suite conducted by Carlo Savina (a conductor for Rota), on the Tutto Fellini compilation. It's short, about 3.5 minutes, but the performance is excellent.
    Of course, nothing beats the original recording, but the sound is washed out and aged on the ost disk. Really though, there is a lot of excellent Rota that nobody ever talks about. Has anybody heard his score Fortunella? That's the score where the "Love Theme from the Godfather" made it's first appearence. It's used in mischeivious and galloping variations, and wasn't used romantically as the theme is in it's second carnation for the Godfather films. Listen to clips from Fortunella here:
    http://shopping.yahoo.co m/shop?d=product&id=1921250329&clink=dmks.cur-1/Nino_Rota_Great_War/ctx=mid:2,pid:1921250329,pdid:2,t:1,ht:,pos:0,spc:14489115

    ...and don't forget to visit www.camoriginalsoundtracks.com

    Best Regards,
    Dylan (who recommends fans of Rota to rent the "8 1/2" dvd...an excellent film, and an excellent German-produced documentary on Nino Rota is included as a supplement)

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    posted 10-08-2002 10:05 PM PT (US)     

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    Thanks for the recommendations, I'll try to get some of those in due time.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Dinko:
    Yup. Love that EMI CD too. Especially for the price. Nice Rhodes sound too.

    Hmm. It sounds good in parts, ok in others, methinks. The final few seconds of the last Waterloo track totally blew me away though, with that booming organ and killer percussion.

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