And Marian, your point is understood, but you're only helping a dead topic gain legs again.

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And Marian, your point is understood, but you're only helping a dead topic gain legs again.

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I will stop, then. Though I see truth in both Scott's arguments and mine, and was trying to explain what the situation looks like from a non-US POV.

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And the main theme will feature the Raiders theme over some Tan-Dun Crouching Tiger percussion.

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[b]And the main theme will feature the Raiders theme over some Tan-Dun Crouching Tiger percussion.<HR size=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? I've lost all hope for the Indiana Jones Franchise! I better start a protest petition, or create a whole new post....Does Williams even care anymore? Thank god for Howard Shore...[/B]

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Okay, this mocking is getting a little irritating.

First of all, Williams(as I stated earlier if you had paid attention) is the only thing consistently good in the STAR WARS series. It was George Lucas that I am targeting.

I am also targeting those banal standards that are being accepted by people like you. Many here said not to worry when the EPISODE II trailer came out with its horrible dialogue. And I remind you from my earlier post, here's what we got :

"Remember who gave us the fifties diner scene in the STAR WARS Universe, tracked video game music in the movie to replace original score, implemented use of the banal and now tired MATRIX cliche, and allowed lines like "What a drag" to actually be filmed."

E.T. revision...Here's what we got:

Digitally enhanced added scenes which look horrible filled with 2002 stunt doubles which don't even look like the original actors. Ridiculous P.C. replacements like walkie talkies.

The Calista deal COULD happen. I am basing this on the fact that horrible decisions have been made by the Lucas/Spielberg team in recent years. This could be another one of them. The concept of the Force has been made into a biological explanation for God's sake!!! Do even pay attention to how bad CGI + Live Action scenes like the diner scene in Episode II look. You must be blind and deaf since apparently you think the dialogue was fine, as well.

What I should be asking is,"Don't you guys care about movies anymore?" They might as well throw Dr. Who up on the screen. You would go nuts for it.

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Okay, this mocking is getting a little irritating.

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I'm not the biggest fan of sarcasm, though I am a client. More of a cynic, actually. The exaggeration was intended to parody the way these things get blown out of proportion in the first place. (The parodied comment was sardonic as well, so I felt like I wasn't doing any further damage....)

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First of all, Williams(as I stated earlier if you had paid attention) is the only thing consistently good in the STAR WARS series.

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That's an opinion. I don't disagree with you, but I don't agree with you entirely, either. Which is more to say, I agree that John Williams is consistantly good, and is a good presence in the STAR WARS series. In one aspect, I think that John Williams IS the STAR WARS series. Only one aspect, however, though a serious one, which is why I don't indulge jibes like "dump Williams, keep the themes, and see what Don Davis (e.g.) would do."

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It was George Lucas that I am targeting. I am also targeting those banal standards that are being accepted by people like you.

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With respects, you have no idea what a person-like-me is, so you have no idea what my standards are, and also with respects, I would appreciate not being associated with whatever group you think you are criticizing. This isn't as simple as "Smoking or Non-Smoking?"

True, what you may consider banal I may consider wonderous, but that doesn't place you at any superior level.

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The Calista deal COULD happen.

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And a meteor the size of Texas COULD crash into Earth. Have we come here to prophetize and theorize? Or are we just having a discussion?

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I am basing this on the fact that horrible decisions have been made by the Lucas/Spielberg team in recent years. This could be another one of them. The concept of the Force has been made into a biological explanation for God's sake!!!

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So this is really about being a disgruntled fan? (As opposed to a "gruntled fan", I surmise.) You haven't really thought about why that choice was made, only that you think it should not have been.

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Do [audiences/producers/you/you all?] even pay attention to how bad CGI + Live Action scenes like the diner scene in Episode II look.

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By whose estimation and based on what? What we're getting at is the "suspension of disbelief", and some of us have a harder time with it than others.

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You must be blind and deaf since apparently you think the dialogue was fine, as well.

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Now you're just name-calling.

Apparently? Based on...?

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What I should be asking is,"Don't you guys care about movies anymore?" They might as well throw Dr. Who up on the screen. You would go nuts for it.

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Never was a Dr. Who devotee, but I've met some who are. Sure, I care about movies. I don't have a lot of preconceptions about them, though. (I said a lot. I do have some.) I understand what they are, and have a pretty good idea of how they're made, and the work that goes into them. Enjoying movies is sort of like learning a different language, though. Not everyone understands.

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I have standards. They're a good thing to have by the way.

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So stipulated.

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Especially when you are paying 6-10 bucks for a freakin' movie nowadays. I expect a little bit higher quality than what's on the boob tube for that price.

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Well, I'm not going to apologize for that--it sounds like you chose the movie, you paid the 6-10 bucks. Maybe you think we should pay for the movie after seeing it? I think if you're not getting your standards met, you should probably either:

1. Stop going to movies.
2. Start writing movies yourself, so that you can maintain your standards, and audiences can rave and/or criticize about them on message boards like this one.

Otherwise, it's going to be a pretty unfulfilling life.

I recognize Peter Kelly's rules around here for reprinting previously published material on the board, though there is something interesting in the latest edition of Premiere which speaks a little bit about this sort of disenchantment that some feel over the topic at hand.

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Okay, It was George Lucas that I am targeting.

I am also targeting those banal standards that are being accepted by people like you. Many here said not to worry when the EPISODE II trailer came out with its horrible dialogue. And I remind you from my earlier post, here's what we got :

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Reading this typical rancorous-pseudo-intellectual remarks one can get to the impression that the original STAR WARS movies had impressive dialogues, strong performances and revolutionary storytelling...

How can't we mock it??